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Coffee & Change

Hosted by Bill Kirst

★5.0on Apple Podcasts · 7 recent reviews

Bill Kirst, an organizational change leader, supports organizations and clients navigating change in order to thrive, to overcome personal obstacles and to reach their full potential. Bill's blended approach has been cultivated over many years by consulting with individuals and offering leadership in military service.

189 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-11-01 · ~51 min/episode

Rank

#4340

Substance

55.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Leadership rank

#585 of 1042

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Across the index

#4340 of 6219

Substance

Top 70%

outscores 30% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Coffee & Change ranks #4340 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 55.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and originality. Travis Hailer has legitimate practitioner credentials - a senior director role at Salesforce, prior work at Google, 100+ client companies, a Fast Company book deal - and is not merely a circuit speaker. However, the conversation fails to extract the depth those credentials imply, and the episode structure does not allow him to demonstrate the expertise he clearly possesses.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

10.0 / 20

The episode opens with a few genuinely interesting concepts - neuroscience giving change leaders scientific language to counter executive gut-instinct, and resistance as a signal rather than a problem - but these are gestured at rather than developed. Crucially, the 'six neurological barriers' that form the book's core are mentioned but never named or explained, and roughly a third or more of the runtime is consumed by a live tarot card reading, personal origin stories, and a Mark Zuckerberg yacht anecdote.

“there were these six neurological barriers to change that showed up every time”

“Neuroscience gives you actual scientific, data driven information to talk about. So it changes from oh, that's aggressive to you know, here's what we're up against.”

Originality

12.0 / 20

The reframe of resistance as an act of courage, and the silent saboteur as the real threat, is a moderately fresh angle on a well-worn topic. The AI-introduction-as-bank-account-demand analogy is punchy and specific. However, the conversation never pushes these ideas to a genuinely counterintuitive conclusion, and the neuroscience-of-change space is crowded.

“in order for someone to actively resist, it requires a few things. One, it requires incredible courage.”

“The people you have to be really concerned about are the ones that are silently, uh, sabotaging”

Guest Caliber

16.0 / 20

Travis Hailer has legitimate practitioner credentials - a senior director role at Salesforce, prior work at Google, 100+ client companies, a Fast Company book deal - and is not merely a circuit speaker. However, the conversation fails to extract the depth those credentials imply, and the episode structure does not allow him to demonstrate the expertise he clearly possesses.

“Travis Hailer is a Senior Director of Global Strategy and Transformation at Salesforce and the founder of the Neurological Nomad”

“150 events and 25,000 people and 100 different companies that I've worked with”

Specificity & Evidence

9.0 / 20

Almost no specific data, research citations, named frameworks, or case studies surface in the conversation. The six neurological barriers - the book's central taxonomy - are never named. Numbers that do appear (150 events, 25,000 people) are self-referential credential claims rather than evidence for any claim about change management.

“there were these six neurological barriers to change that showed up every time”

“these sellers that have been selling in this way for 10 years and have built a competence here, were stripping them of that competence”

Conversational Craft

8.0 / 20

The host consistently redirects conversation to his own stories - his podcast origin, his tarot practice, his 50-states goal, his own book - often at greater length than the guest's answers. There are no probing follow-ups, no pushback on any claim, and the interview is literally paused so the host can fetch tarot cards. The result is closer to a mutual admiration exchange than an interview.

“I'm going to put the headphones down. I'm going to go grab the cards and I will be right back.”

“I wrote a book, um, last year, all about leading change in this era of AI”

Standout episodes

  • Episode 169: Rethinking Resistance with the Neurological Nomad

    2026-07-01

    55

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • Episode 169: Rethinking Resistance with the Neurological Nomad

    2026-07-01 · 1h 0m

    55 / 100

What listeners say on Apple Podcasts

★★★★★
Love this!
This podcast is a must listen for anyone that wants to hold onto our humanity and connect deeply with others.

- Amy Lynn Durham

★★★★★
Quality coffee, quality change.
Bill is an artist with words and ideas, and paints capturing murals with his guests. Sit back with your best coffee/drink/whiskey and enjoy the view.

- Brackett Alliance

Frequently asked

What is Coffee & Change's substance score?
Coffee & Change scores 55.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #4340 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 30% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #585 of 1042 in Leadership. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Coffee & Change worth listening to?
Coffee & Change is ranked on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 55.0/100. See the five-dimension breakdown above to judge whether it fits what you're after.
Who hosts Coffee & Change?
Coffee & Change is hosted by Bill Kirst.
How often does Coffee & Change publish?
Coffee & Change publishes fortnightly, has 189 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-11-01.
Which Coffee & Change episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Episode 169: Rethinking Resistance with the Neurological Nomad" (55/100) - a good place to start.

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Guests who've appeared

Travis Hailer

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

SalesforceNeurological barriers to changeRethink Resistance (book)Neurological Nomad (consulting practice)Neuroscience and change managementResistance reframingSix neurological barriersCheck engine light metaphorBody language signals in changeCompetence rebuilding after process change

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