Beyond the To-Do List · 2026-04-15 · 44 min
I'm excited to revisit this conversation I had with John Drury to the show to discuss how ancient spiritual practices can reshape the way we approach productivity, rhythm, and life itself. John is a professor at Indiana Wesleyan University's School of Theology and Ministry, holding an M.Div. and Ph.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary, and a close personal friend of mine for over 25 years. In this conversation, we cover: Rethinking the Rule of Life: John introduces the concept of regula vitae - the rule of life - and explains why the question isn't whether you have one, but what's currently ruling yours. The Pandemic as a Mirror: We reflect on how COVID-19 disrupted our routines and created an unexpected opportunity for radical understimulation - and what we can learn from the people who actually took it. Life vs. Work-Life Balance: John challenges the very language of "work-life balance," arguing that life is your time - and work is just one part of it - never the other way around.
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