Between Two COO's with Michael Koenig · 2026-06-16 · 46 min
Watch on YouTube. Peter Rojas has built new things at almost every scale there is, and he planted the seed for this show years ago in an email to Michael. In this episode, Peter and Michael discuss: How building new products inside a big company differs from a startup, and why you have to invest ahead of traction Why corporate product development is a harder numbers game than a venture portfolio AI, vibe coding, and the Mozilla Pioneers program for widening the top of the funnel Why incumbents keep losing the next technology wave Why coordination breaks down at scale, and the clarity that fixes it About Peter: Peter Rojas co-founded Gizmodo and Engadget, two publications that changed how people understand technology. He has been an operator and investor across AOL, Meta, and BetaWorks, where he was a founder and VC. Today he leads new product development at Mozilla and runs Mozilla Pioneers.
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