
Between Two COO's with Michael Koenig · 2026-07-21 · 38 min
Rick Marini, co-founder of Rails and former COO of Grindr, joins Between Two COOs to explain why he would rather be a great COO than a good CEO. He and host Michael Koenig cover the CFIUS-forced sale that put Grindr in play, the day-one culture reset that ended two and a half years later in a $2 billion New York Stock Exchange debut, the three-months-of-cash pivot that saved Tickle in the dot-com crash, and how he evaluates moats now that AI lets anyone stand up a company in a weekend. Why he says he is a good CEO but a great COO , and the honest question behind it: where do you add the most value? The vision gap : great CEOs see ten years out, he sees two, and the COO executes Buying Grindr for roughly $600 million after CFIUS forced the Chinese owner to sell The day-one speech : equity for everyone, transparency, and earning a burned-out team's trust Fight or flight at Tickle : the PhD-validated IQ test that turned three months of cash into the fastest-growing site on the internet Moats in the AI era : network effects plus a product people will pull out a credit card for Rick Marini has founded and operated consumer technology companies for 26 years.
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