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Tokens Go to Zero, Energy Goes to Zero: What Do You Build When Intelligence Is Free?

AI for Founders with Ryan Estes · 2026-07-25 · 36 min

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Every animal on earth runs on four drives. Humans have a fifth. The question is whether AI feeds it or buries it under a pile of chat windows. That is the cold open Ryan Estes is bringing to a Denver AI panel next Wednesday, and it is why this week's What It Do with Jason Katz, co-founder of Kindling Solutions, is bigger than a build in public check in. Ryan walks through his whole panel hosting playbook live, and the metaphor is a DJ booth. Five panelists are five tracks. You mix them, you watch the room. You know when to loop somebody's best point and when to bring the fader down on a rambler. Jason's contribution: a bullhorn. One short honk to underline a great answer, three seconds to shut somebody up. Then Jason pushes back on the hook itself, the most useful sixty seconds in the episode. "Divine" is ambiguous, he says, and worse, it is divisive. Rewrite it as "does AI make us more or less human" and everyone in that room can answer it. Ryan takes the note on the spot. The heart of the episode is Jason's field report from two CEO meetings in one week, both at different places on the AI maturity curve.

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