
Hosted by Simon Fagg
Some of the best conversations about leadership happen around the dinner table not the conference table. Leadership crosses over all things, not just work. Joining Simon Fagg at the virtual dinner table is a leader he has admired over the past 25+ years as a consultant and coach.
130 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-06-02 · ~33 min/episode
Rank
#4278
Substance
54.0
/ 100
Breakdown
Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly
Across the index
#4278 of 6186
Substance
Top 69%
outscores 31% of the index
After Dinner Leadership ranks #4278 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 54.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Dhaliwal is a genuine practitioner who built and sold a franchise business and is scaling a second; he has real operational credentials. However the interview extracts almost none of his hard-won franchise-scaling knowledge, leaving his caliber largely unrealised on this episode.
Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.
The episode is dominated by personal narrative and lifestyle philosophy rather than operational B2B insight. The one genuinely useful idea - having two mentor types, one far ahead and one two steps ahead - is briefly made and never developed. Profit First gets a fleeting mention but no depth.
“you probably want, uh, two people, one person that is really far ahead, that just wants to, uh, part with their war stories and no one's listening to them anymore...But also the other person that is just two steps ahead. They're not like a million miles ahead. They're just a couple of steps”
“there's 100 things I could be spending my time doing, but actually maybe three of them will be the thing that will impact the bottom line”
The episode recycles well-worn entrepreneurial themes: hire early, understand cash flow, stuff doesn't make you happy, build an asset not a job. The father's 'okada' concept is culturally resonant but not a business framework. Nothing is contrarian or first-principles.
“if your focus is purely arbitrary on a number, then you will cap out”
“There is no steadiness in business. It's either up or down. There is no this”
Dhaliwal is a genuine practitioner who built and sold a franchise business and is scaling a second; he has real operational credentials. However the interview extracts almost none of his hard-won franchise-scaling knowledge, leaving his caliber largely unrealised on this episode.
“I've got a meeting with one of our franchisees, our early doors franchisees tomorrow. He'll do best part of 2 million pounds of revenue this year”
“I sold it four or five years later, um, in, in 2018. And, um, and then I started Wolf Inch”
There are scattered concrete data points - franchisee revenue, a rough exit multiple, specific timelines - but they are not interrogated or built upon. The £27/day = £10K/year statistic and the Profit First reference add modest substance without depth.
“He'll do best part of 2 million pounds of revenue this year. And you know...tomorrow he decides to sell, he could sell it for forex. The profitability”
“£27 a day of expenditure is £10,000 a year”
The host is warm but consistently soft, never challenging a claim or demanding specifics. He spends significant air time sharing his own stories (11 siblings, brother's pancreatitis) and lets the guest meander into lifestyle philosophy without redirecting toward operational substance.
“We grew up one of 11 children, so not an immigrant family, but, uh, we. We were in a large family”
“I was speaking. I was with my brother, one of my brothers, at the weekend, and, um, we grew up one of 11 children”
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1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.
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