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After Dinner Leadership

Hosted by Simon Fagg

Some of the best conversations about leadership happen around the dinner table not the conference table. Leadership crosses over all things, not just work. Joining Simon Fagg at the virtual dinner table is a leader he has admired over the past 25+ years as a consultant and coach.

130 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-06-02 · ~33 min/episode

Rank

#4278

Substance

54.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Leadership rank

#587 of 1041

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Across the index

#4278 of 6186

Substance

Top 69%

outscores 31% of the index

Why it scores where it does

After Dinner Leadership ranks #4278 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 54.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Dhaliwal is a genuine practitioner who built and sold a franchise business and is scaling a second; he has real operational credentials. However the interview extracts almost none of his hard-won franchise-scaling knowledge, leaving his caliber largely unrealised on this episode.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

10.0 / 20

The episode is dominated by personal narrative and lifestyle philosophy rather than operational B2B insight. The one genuinely useful idea - having two mentor types, one far ahead and one two steps ahead - is briefly made and never developed. Profit First gets a fleeting mention but no depth.

“you probably want, uh, two people, one person that is really far ahead, that just wants to, uh, part with their war stories and no one's listening to them anymore...But also the other person that is just two steps ahead. They're not like a million miles ahead. They're just a couple of steps”

“there's 100 things I could be spending my time doing, but actually maybe three of them will be the thing that will impact the bottom line”

Originality

9.0 / 20

The episode recycles well-worn entrepreneurial themes: hire early, understand cash flow, stuff doesn't make you happy, build an asset not a job. The father's 'okada' concept is culturally resonant but not a business framework. Nothing is contrarian or first-principles.

“if your focus is purely arbitrary on a number, then you will cap out”

“There is no steadiness in business. It's either up or down. There is no this”

Guest Caliber

14.0 / 20

Dhaliwal is a genuine practitioner who built and sold a franchise business and is scaling a second; he has real operational credentials. However the interview extracts almost none of his hard-won franchise-scaling knowledge, leaving his caliber largely unrealised on this episode.

“I've got a meeting with one of our franchisees, our early doors franchisees tomorrow. He'll do best part of 2 million pounds of revenue this year”

“I sold it four or five years later, um, in, in 2018. And, um, and then I started Wolf Inch”

Specificity & Evidence

12.0 / 20

There are scattered concrete data points - franchisee revenue, a rough exit multiple, specific timelines - but they are not interrogated or built upon. The £27/day = £10K/year statistic and the Profit First reference add modest substance without depth.

“He'll do best part of 2 million pounds of revenue this year. And you know...tomorrow he decides to sell, he could sell it for forex. The profitability”

“£27 a day of expenditure is £10,000 a year”

Conversational Craft

9.0 / 20

The host is warm but consistently soft, never challenging a claim or demanding specifics. He spends significant air time sharing his own stories (11 siblings, brother's pancreatitis) and lets the guest meander into lifestyle philosophy without redirecting toward operational substance.

“We grew up one of 11 children, so not an immigrant family, but, uh, we. We were in a large family”

“I was speaking. I was with my brother, one of my brothers, at the weekend, and, um, we grew up one of 11 children”

Standout episodes

  • 129: Beyond material success...with...Amrit Dhaliwal

    2026-06-02

    54

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • 129: Beyond material success...with...Amrit Dhaliwal

    2026-06-02 · 42 min

    54 / 100

Frequently asked

What is After Dinner Leadership's substance score?
After Dinner Leadership scores 54.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #4278 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 31% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #587 of 1041 in Leadership. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is After Dinner Leadership worth listening to?
After Dinner Leadership is ranked on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 54.0/100. See the five-dimension breakdown above to judge whether it fits what you're after.
Who hosts After Dinner Leadership?
After Dinner Leadership is hosted by Simon Fagg.
How often does After Dinner Leadership publish?
After Dinner Leadership publishes fortnightly, has 130 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-06-02.
Which After Dinner Leadership episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "129: Beyond material success...with...Amrit Dhaliwal" (54/100) - a good place to start.

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Guests who've appeared

Amrit Dhaliwal

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

business coachingmentor relationshipsWalfinchProfit First (Mike Kloswski)Franchising in home careCash flow vs. profitEntrepreneurial povertyPunjabi culture and okada (knowing where you came from)Financial advisor guidanceTracker funds and compound investing

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