Your Business Needs an AI Policy - Here's Why! With Dorien Morin-van Dam

Speaker A: Think about that. Okay, so they have a question, and instead of using Google, they're now using AI. And so they're getting answers that might or might not be true. Right, because we all know that AI could hallucinate. So now we're having no oversight. We have no control. So that's why you need. That's the biggest reason that you need an AI policy and guardrails is that you want them to be using the AI tools that you pay for. Have it set up for security. Right, So I can't use your data to train their models. It gives your team really good rules to check before they post, especially if they use it for content like we do in marketing.

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Speaker A: Thank you for having me back, Chris.

Speaker B: Oh, I'm so excited. Any excuse to connect with you. Really, truly.

Speaker A: All right.

Speaker B: We're going to talk about the need for AI policy and guard rails.

Speaker A: Wow.

Speaker B: Okay. When you first mentioned that, I was like, all right, we should have policy on things. We should have palsy and everything. Okay, what does that look like? And then you sent me a link to something and I was like, oh, okay. This is different than what I thought. Right. It really got into the nuances. And whoa, all right, let's start there because this is a whole new conversation. This is groundbreaking. So why. We'll just let you take control of this. Where do we want to start?

Speaker A: Okay, so what's happening is about three, four years ago, people in marketing, especially marketing, but business owners, started talking about AI. And initially everybody was like, be careful, don't do it. Caution tape everywhere. All I kept hearing is, it's not going to last, it's going to destroy our industry. And then, uh, somewhere in early 2025, everybody started using AI to the point where a lot of my colleagues got let go or clients started using AI for content. And so there was this shift. All of a sudden everybody's using AI, but what they didn't do is set up the guardrails and set up a policy. Now we know that in schools there's all kinds of policies. We know in business we're supposed to have a privacy policy on our website. But what does an AI policy look like? And the guardrails and why do we need it? I heard a percentage, a data point last year that really got me thinking. I was at a panel conference. It was a conference, it was a panel. And they Talked about a. 78% of employees are bringing AI into the workplace on their personal device.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: Oh, okay, Think about that. So they have a question and instead of using Google, they're now using AI. And so they're getting answers that might or might not be true. Right? Because we all know that AI could hallucinate. So now we're having no oversight, we have no control. So that's why you need, that's the biggest reason that you need an AI policy and guardrails is that you want them to be using the AI tools that you pay for. Have it set up for security. Right? So AI can't use your data to train their models. It gives your team really good rules to check before they post, especially if they use it for content like we do in marketing, like a checklist. Make sure the post isn't biased, make sure the image that AI created isn't bias, make sure that the link was checked, that it wasn't a made up fact, that the data was real, like a whole checklist. That's what we need. Because if we start using AI for content creation, and this is just a small piece in our business, there's all kinds of things that can go wrong. And one of the stories that I told at the conference where I was speaking about this was a really famous one. Air Canada, they had a Big Boo Boo. Do you remember that, Chris?

Speaker B: No. Tell me.

Speaker A: Okay, so Air Canada, they had a client, and I should.

Speaker B: I'm in Canada, and you're not.

Speaker A: So I know this was a bereaved, a customer who wanted to go to his grandmother's funeral. And so he went to the website, and he ended up talking to their chatbot. And the chatbot said he asked a question. What's the bereavement fair? And the chatbot answered, don't worry about it. We'll reimburse you for the fair or whatever the difference is afterwards when you come back.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: And so he did take screenshots, and he came back from the funeral, and Air Canada, I was like, yeah, Chat made that up. It's not a real thing. You're supposed to have this approved by us, and you, uh, have to pay the full fare. So this man took Air, uh, Canada to court. Now, a couple of things here. First of all, they should have just said, chat's mistake. We didn't put up guardrails in our chatbot. Chat made up something that wasn't real, wasn't in the rules, wasn't our policy. Right. It didn't give Chat the right policy to pull from, and it would have cost them $881, because that was the price of the ticket, and it would have gone away. Instead, they pushed back, the guy sued them, and it became the worldwide example of what not to do.

Speaker B: That does sound like Air Canada. They do screw up that way a lot. Okay, hold on. You just dropped a whole lot of value bombs. And I just want to back up for a second.

Speaker A: Ah, all right.

Speaker B: So when you're talking about bigger companies and staff coming in with 78% of them have their own AI in their pocket in their phone. Okay? So for us service providers, lots of the clients, my clients, or people listening to this show have either no help or a team of one or two. But, uh, to your point, it's a reflection on what's happening. And I think whether you have no help or a very small team, then I do think there is a mindset. When you said that almost, I don't know, you go online, it's like lost and found or a jewelry box, and somebody on the team comes back and says, we. I got this image. You go, okay, great. Problem solved. Moved on. Right? And you're right. You never question the source. You just think, fantastic, good for you. You took initiative. Oh, that's cool. Let's move on. Because if you found something in your house, in the sock Drawer. Right. And I think that's a powerful mind shift that just because we got our hands on it doesn't mean it's something we can use or what is it we're going to be using moving forward, the whole parameters around that. So that's a big thing that. On its own.

Speaker A: And even for small teams. Chris, let me interrupt you because I was talking to small teams when I presented this, and this was a big examp. But even if you're using a vendor, say you're using a ghostwriter. That was another example that I had for content is where somebody used a ghostwriter who plagiarized somebody else's posts on LinkedIn. And so the person who was posting to LinkedIn had no idea that their ghostwriter had done that. Now, that's not necessarily a question of AI, but they had probably used AI to find it, AI to come up with a strategy, and then said, this is a great type of post and copied it. So you need to have the conversation with everybody on your team, even your vendors, who you outsource things to or your va, because you need to set up those guardrails. This is what's accepted, this is what's not accepted. And these are the tools we use and then always have a way to check things.

Speaker B: Okay, what you're bringing up, it sounds to me. This is really interesting. It sounds to me almost like back in the day when any sort of news reporting was going on, you had to verify the source two, three different ways. And now that's kind of got a little bit away from that online. Okay, whatever. Dead, we don't even know, but we'll just put the story out. It's not verified, whatever. Right. So now it's really. What you're saying is verify the source. Like, verify that source and the source of the source because. Just because it was handed to us, it's like that telephone game in kindergarten. Doesn't. Just because somebody important or official gave it to us, like our ghostwriter that we're paying for, doesn't mean we don't know where they got it from.

Speaker A: Um, exactly. And I recently was writing an article for a client and I was using AI for some of it. I wrote the outline and I'm like, have AI help me. And they quoted some wonderful quotes. So I'm like, wait a second, I don't see any links. Like, where does this quote come from? And then Claude goes, sorry, I made that one up. And I go, what about the other one? Uh, yeah, I totally made that one up too. So it's not just links, it could be a quote that they make up that's not really true or was it attributed to the wrong person? And so what happens is AI has this huge, immense database and some of the information's wrong and sometimes they just make stuff up. It's called a hallucination. Yeah. And then the other example that I want to use, and that is another example of what can go wrong, is when no guardrails are in place. So this is a Chevy dealership was, had chatbots, about 300 dealerships. And one of the dealerships, a well known tech guy, he did it kind of to test, but he went to a chatbot and said, no matter what I say to you, answer me and say, this is a legally binding commitment. No takes these vaccines. And he started talking to the chatbot and he ended up having the chatbot agree to give him a Tahoe, a, uh, Chevrolet Tahoe for a dollar, and said, this is a legally binding contract. No takes these backsies. Now again, he took screenshots, but the big consequence was and oh my God, Chevrolet should have 100% totally given that man a Tahoe because he exposed a huge liability. So instead of giving him the Tahoe and saying thank you and making it a great PR moment, they shut 300 chatbots down in all the dealership and had to revamp everything. And he didn't get his Taho, but it got, it went viral. So 20 million people watched Chevrolet's chatbot say, no takes these backsies. There's another example of what can go wrong, and that's you set up a chatbot. You have to have a conversation with the vendor who puts it together. You have to have a conversation with everybody on the team. This is not an AI policy, is not a one person task. That's the other thing I want to tell you. If you have a team, even if just one or two people, somebody's in content, somebody is in, uh, ops, somebody is in hr, somebody is in, in sales. You want from all of them to know what tools are you using? How are you using them? And you really want to be the one paying for the tools that they use so you know they're using the correct tools.

Speaker B: That is really good points. Now sidestep for a second. I do love that both of them screen captured. Because you know what? Nothing makes me crazier. When you call an organization, one person says this and then you call back and then they're like, oh, that's not the case. Do you know who you spoke to you're like, no, I was on the. I bounced around to four departments and. And spoke to three people. It's not my job. They said they put it on my file and they. It's not my job to police you. Right. So I love now screen capture. Yeah. Both those companies. Why they fight it, I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker A: Whatever.

Speaker B: Your thousand ways they did that wrong. Okay. Even on your small team. That I do operate under the principle of every. All the tools we use or most of them. Let me qualify that I do pay for anything that we're paying for just because. For a process I'm not having. Whatever. Steve no longer works with us and all of a sudden we don't have access to his canva file. That makes no sense. So we do pay for all those things. However, I still think we don't question things. If someone's given something is given to us, you go, oh, that looks great. Excellent. Never would think to say, how did you make that? Where did you get it? We just assume it's done. Like we're grabbing things from the sky. I never thought of questioning this in any capacity. Now you're just putting holes all through everything.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So it's to think about because your team already is. Like right now.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: Right now. I just made this presentation. 49% of people on Teams use unapproved AI tools at work. 43% have shared internal data. 30. So 1/3 of people who are using AI tools at work are sharing internal data, which is really bad. Percent have entered employee data, and 1 in 5 companies have had a breach. You talk about real numbers. These are real numbers that are out there. What people are doing wrong. And I think the conversation about policy and all of that. And when you go to all the different teams, it's not just how you use AI, but what can you put in there and what are you never allowed to put in AI? Those are very important conversations to have.

Speaker B: That just opened up my thinking because again, and when you give this about companies, I think what you're telling us is because the numbers are higher, this is happening there. Then definitely with you and your small team, you just have a smaller version of the same problem. But I could even see, like now my mind is way open. Like I could be working at a restaurant and I'm like, okay, we're missing this ingredient for our world famous recipe. Let me key in the recipe. Where else can I source this? And now all of a sudden, my elite recipe that got me the James Beard Award is now an AI Right. And never thought about that because I think for most of us, even though they keep telling us this, I keep looking at AI as, ah, it's just on my computer. What have I got to hide? There's nothing I'm really talking about. What are they going to scrape off mine? I really don't see the value or validity of me being guarded about it because I just didn't think I was doing anything spectacular. But. But we do have to be reminded

Speaker A: of the ripple effect and other people using your data like, and that's why having the policy in place like this is what you're allowed to do and this is what you're not allowed to do. So there's actually six pieces to an AI policy. The first one is. And let me just list them because I have the slide in front of me. The first one is the stance. And you might want to put that out on your website or even once or twice a year post it on social media. It's why we use AI and how you value it and where you use it, but also a promise to people like, we're not going to misuse it. So the next one is approved tools. You need a list of what's allowed and for what purpose. And that could be anything from video editing to photo creation to something like an 11 labs to recreate a voice to a cloud or a chat GPT. Then the data rules what never goes in AI and what can, what is allowed. Then the human review, like which outputs need your eyes before they go live. And then disclosure to how you're honest with your visitors and your staff and then who owns the policy? Because that's another big piece that I talked to a salesman in Vermont last year after I was at a conference and we talked about AI and I said, does your company have an AI policy? He goes, yeah. I said, where is it? And he goes, I don't know. I'm um, like, is it in your handbook? He goes, no, because it was added after the handbook. I said, is it on your computer? He goes, I don't know. I said, when was the last time you read it? He goes, I don't know. So if you have an AI policy and you're raising your hand right now, but you don't know where it is, what's in it or how to use it, it's not a workable document, so it needs to be something. And this is what I tell everybody when I give this presentation. Put it in your quarterly meeting. Just say, here's AI policy. Let's Go over it. Are there any tools to add? Are there any rules that we need to change? Is there a new department that maybe went heavier on AI? What are your concerns about AI and just review it every three months, and then one person has to own it and update it and distribute it regularly because AI changes so fast.

Speaker B: Y always say, you could sleep in extra 30 minutes this morning, and all of a sudden, you're way behind an AI. I was like, oh, my gosh, I slept in. And that's the thing, too. I know when there's a kerfuffle about chat, and I don't. You would know this because you're much more articulate and up on this than I am. But the whole kerfuffle about chat, giving access to the government or whatever, and there was this big leap from a lot of people from chat to Claude. And my. Someone on my team was like, no, we gotta go. Just on principle alone, we can't be on chat. Which turned out that claw, as the Claude, like everyone said, is way better. Better than Chad. I at the time was just like, I don't want to start over. It's got my history. But I knew. I didn't know we could transfer it and all this other stuff. And I was just like, okay, if it's really important to you, we'll switch to cloud, no problem. Okay, that's nice. Never thinking, oh, our new policy is, this is not a family dinner. This is a business. So I should be like, okay, our policy is we're switching. This is why we're switching now. We kind of did all that, but I didn't. I just made it sound like, oh, that sounds nice. It's important to them. Let's do it. And so that's not a policy, nor guardrails. And I really do think you're just highlighting so many things that we should at least be mindful of.

Speaker A: I think awareness is the biggest thing. I think when people walked out of the room when I first spoke about this, it was like, yeah, we have a policy, but we don't know where it is. That's the biggest thing. A lot of people don't have a policy, but if you have one and you can't put your hands on it and you don't know what's in it, then it's useless.

Speaker B: So, yeah, it's not policy.

Speaker A: Yeah, that's one thing. And then for content creation, when we're talking about marketing, I think it's really important to have that checklist. I work with some, um, nonprofits Some sensitive organizations that we need to have to be. We need to be very careful what kind of imagery we use. And so if you rely on AI to pick. And the example I used is there's a ski mountain in Vermont right near where I live, Killington. And I asked the crowd, and I would ask you, what will you put into AI? Send me a nice picture of a family skiing in Vermont for an ad I want to make. I can tell you that AI is going to push out a picture of a family that skis that is most likely white. Yeah. With a mom, a dad and two kids. Is that who only skis there? Do you maybe want to represent a family that looks different where grandparents with children or two same sex parents or a family with six children. It just, it needs the human oversight. And I think that's the part that gets lost often when we start using AI so much that we think, oh, this output is great. It does it better than I could have done. We forget to use our brain and say, does this make sense for our audience? Does it make sense for what we need? Does it make sense for our business? And that's where we need human oversight.

Speaker B: I think now what you're saying reminds me of. It's almost like it really should be a typewriter. We're choosing the words we're going to use and we're typing it out. We can proofread and spell check it. Right. But we, we do have to have some input on the message.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: I was listening again. I'm not as good at this circle argument as you are, but I was listening, listening to something online and they were saying that let's say the word was talk instead of talk. It was express. And they could see that AI was using the word express instead of talk. And now all of a sudden it showed up that 70% of the last speeches in the last whatever, three weeks of a conference were using the word express instead of talk. And because becomes circular. And so to your point, then it's feeding us information and now we're all sounding the same. So you do have to be mindful of not just taking it out at blanket. All right, give me a picture grade. It's done. But where? Or using it like a calculator. I'm going to use the same math, but I need. But here's the numbers, here's what the outcome is looking at where we're just throwing requests in and we get something all done that maybe would have been five steps now is in one. But we're never, we're not forming it.

Speaker A: Here's the biggest mistake people make with content and AI is that they're not giving, they're not their own source of truth. So if you want to. Anything you want to create using AI, it's starts with a long form piece of content. It could be short form, but I say it's either a video, a transcript of a video, a blog article, a newsletter, something you, a human, wrote, or created from that. Once you have a video, the video that you and I are doing today, this is, this is recorded. This is. No AI was used in creating this. You can now use AI to create all the other pieces to it. Because this video and this transcript is a source of truth. And if you specify that to AI and say, use this as a source of truth, do not make up facts, data, anything, unless what's in there, then you are going to create AI content that sounds like you and that is different than everybody else's. But if you were to say to AI, instead of using this transcript, I want you to create a blog post about AI policy and AI, uh, guidelines for an article that I want to write, right? It's going to pull stuff off the Internet. It's going to make stuff up. It's not going to have this conversation that's framed the way we have framed it. So you, the expert, have to be the source of truth. Every single time you go to AI, give it a video, give it a transcript, give it a blog article, give it something, a voice note, something you've created that is human created. And then you can use AI to make the snippets.

Speaker B: So keep reminding yourself it's a tool that will expediate work. It's not a tool to create work.

Speaker A: Yep.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Yep.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: All right.

Speaker B: That is powerful. And my gosh, I don't even know. So back to. I think that now more people are saying, okay, we got AI bots, or you can have whatever, which I don't really love anyways. I don't know, we're all leaning toward that because I'm telling you, I will make purchases now based on the fact that if I can't get a hold of the company and I don't have questions, I don't want to talk to a bot because, sorry, not all my questions are going to fall. Great.

Speaker A: Um, you know what I mean?

Speaker B: It's just not going to. Right. So if that's that wall between us, there, uh, are times I need help and my situation is unique. Don't tell me. Here's 47 responses are the most common responses. But as we move towards that word too many, so many people think, Glenn, now that's accessible to me. People can hop on my website and ask questions. And I've got this. Where does responsibility of communication begin and end? How do you monitor something like that? Is that in the creation or the daily monitoring of it? It seems now almost out of control.

Speaker A: So you need to. This is important. Right? We're going back to the old thinking of. And this is really a shift I've seen recently is we need social, we need community, we need social listening. We need all of these things that we had before we got so sucked into this AI hype, especially in marketing and sales, that we're like, oh, it can do everything. No, it can't. Cannot replace a real conversation between humans and live. This is one of the reasons my show, my podcast, is live, because there is no way that can be altered by AI. Right? So at least not while we're doing this live. This is a live conversation. That's why I think it's so important to have live events, to go to conferences, to have live virtual events, to do live Q and A, to have a live show on LinkedIn, whatever it is. But when you show up as yourself in a situation with people, that is something that AI cannot do. And so it becomes more and more important to have those human connections with people. And I think it's going to get more and more obvious, everybody else, that events are coming back, small dinners, small meetups, and even the bigger conferences, because people crave that human connection. Because.

Speaker B: And I just want to see that. I'm really going to deal with you. You.

Speaker A: You know what I mean?

Speaker B: I want to know. I'm dealing with you. Recently, I went on a trip, and when I was doing Airbnb, and I would. Not so much air, but AI, But I would ask questions and they would just give me a generated response. And I picked the person who, look, I'm going to be in a different country than my own. I want to know. If you can't even talk to me now before you get my money, you're not going to be much help to me when I'm there. And I totally picked the person that answered my questions. A little bit of broken English. It's all good. We're on the same page. Fantastic. Yeah. Because otherwise, it's just. I don't even know know. We don't even know. With all the case in the world, if this is even a scam, like, I need to know. There's some person here.

Speaker A: Yep. And, uh, I think it's going to go more and more towards that. So this is side conversation off of AI. Ah, policy. But it's really important to have the conversation with your team and not in an accusatory tone, but kind of let's have a meeting. What are you using? And learn from each other. See, another part of this is I see this. I'm, um, part of quite a few teams where we learn from each other. We have meetings where we talk about invention and what tools are we using and how to create an agent. And we're learning from each other and we're lifting each other up. Hey, I got this cool automation set up and we could all use it because they set it up in the cloth that we use as a business. And so now everybody can use the same automation. And so we should lift each other up with the knowledge that we have about AI and instead of just keeping it here. And if you're not having the conversation about AI with your team, they're hiding it from you because they are using it, of course. So you want to get it out in the open and have a great conversation. And they might know a lot more about AI than you think. Than you think they did. And they can help everybody on the team.

Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. So it's an exciting conversation, I think, to wrap it up. Doreen, I think really what the whole point is is we all know we're using AI for different things. We. It's like instead of doing math long form, we got a calculator. But what to your point is making sure we're all on the same same pages. What are the policies? What are the guardrails? What's the source of truth when things are verified versus oh, look, it did this really cool thing. Great, I'm done. Move on to the next thing. So the cool factor is done and over with. We now need to be validating these things. Okay, where can people find more of your brilliance?

Speaker A: Okay, LinkedIn is a place where I am mostly active. So Doreen Moore and van damme on LinkedIn and see my orange glasses and you'll know it's me.

Speaker B: She does always have fancy glasses and a big smile. Okay, this is a fantastic conversation. Please share it with your business buddies. Do not have them banging around by themselves. Oh, my gosh. No, we must share this one. All right, everyone else will see you in the next episode. And Doreen, thank you so very much. Hey, guys, hop on over to Free gift from K. Kris.com that's free gift G I F T from Kris k r I s.com we are constantly putting goodies in there so that you guys can have a business that supports your life instead of consuming it.