The Venture Capital Podcast with Fexingo · 2026-06-30 · 9 min
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The climate tech investment narrative has been dominated by direct air capture and carbon removal, but the actual venture dollars are flowing into less flashy but higher-impact solutions: industrial heat storage, green steel production, long-duration energy storage, and advanced geothermal. Companies like Rondo Energy (thermal battery storage at 1,500°C for industrial processes), Electra (low-temperature electrolysis for green steel), Form Energy (iron-air batteries for 100-hour discharge), and Fervo Energy (enhanced geothermal drilling) are raising $60 - 450 million from specialist climate funds. The shift reflects two realizations: first, that industrial heat represents 25% of global energy use and is a trillion-dollar decarbonization opportunity; second, that policy tailwinds - particularly the Inflation Reduction Act's 45Q carbon credit and 45V storage credit - have fundamentally altered project economics. Generalist VCs largely sit out these deals due to capital intensity (tens of millions before prototype), long commercialization timelines (5 - 7 years), and unfamiliarity with project finance and tax equity structures. Specialist funds like Breakthrough Energy Ventures (20-year fund life) and Lowercarbon Capital ($800 million deployment) are structured to match these longer asset lifecycles, giving them a decisive edge. LPs tracking climate venture should monitor deployment pace from 2022 vintage funds, follow-on rounds from crossover investors like TPG and GIC, and watch for M&A from incumbents like Shell entering the thermal storage space.
Industrial thermal storage (Rondo Energy), green steel electrolysis (Electra), long-duration battery storage (Form Energy, Malta, Hydrostor), and enhanced geothermal (Fervo Energy, Eavor) - not carbon capture, despite media focus on direct air capture and DAC technology.
45Q provides up to $180 per ton of captured CO2, and 45V offers up to $50 per megawatt-hour for long-duration storage discharge, converting previously uneconomical projects into cash-flow positive ventures that attract venture capital.
Generalist VCs lack expertise in project finance and tax equity structuring, are uncomfortable with capital intensity (tens of millions before prototype), and have 10-year fund lives mismatched to 5 - 7 year commercialization timelines for hard tech.
Rondo manufactures a brick battery that stores renewable electricity as heat at over 1,500 degrees Celsius for industrial cement, chemicals, and food processing - addressing the $1 trillion opportunity in the 25% of global energy use devoted to industrial thermal processes.
Electra uses low-temperature electrolysis at 60 degrees Celsius to refine low-grade waste ore into iron, reducing emissions 90% versus blast furnaces and achieving cost parity or superiority at scale since input feedstock cost is near zero.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The episode packs multiple non-obvious claims into 9 minutes: that industrial heat dominates climate VC funding (not carbon capture), that 25% of global energy is thermal, that policy tax credits (45Q/45V) fundamentally rewrite unit economics, that climate-specialized funds outpace generalists due to fund-life matching, and that oil-and-gas talent is a hidden asset. These are substantive, actionable insights a B2B operator wouldn't passively absorb from headlines. Some padding exists (the brief ETF tangent, the donation pitch) but the core density is high.
Roughly 25% of global energy use is industrial heat. Electrifying that with renewable power and storage is a trillion-dollar opportunity.
First, the capital intensity is higher than SaaS - you need tens of millions before you even have a prototype. Second, the timelines are longer. A steel plant takes five to seven years to commercialize.
The core thesis - that boring industrial physics, not carbon capture, is where VC capital actually flows - is contrarian relative to media narratives and refreshingly first-principles. The insight about fund-duration matching and the hidden oil-and-gas talent pool are non-obvious. However, the discussion of specific tax credits (45Q/45V) and the named companies (Rondo, Electra, Form Energy) are increasingly discussed in climate finance circles, so originality is high but not exceptional.
But the actual venture dollars - especially from the smartest climate funds like Breakthrough Energy Ventures and Lowercarbon Capital - are flowing into what I'd call 'boring physics problems.'
A lot of former oil and gas engineers are now working at Fervo or Eavor. They bring decades of drilling expertise. That's something software-first VCs might miss.
Lucas demonstrates substantive knowledge of climate VC landscape, can cite specific recent rounds (Rondo $60M Series B late 2025, Electra $85M Series A early 2026, Form Energy $450M Series E, Fervo $244M 2025) and understands deep mechanics of fund structure, tax policy, and project finance. However, the transcript does not establish whether Lucas is a practicing VC making these bets himself or a knowledgeable analyst/journalist observing the space. The guest is credible but caliber is hard to fully verify without explicit credentials.
They raised a $60 million Series B in late 2025 led by Breakthrough Energy Ventures and Microsoft's climate fund.
Breakthrough Energy Ventures launched with a 20-year fund life. Lowercarbon has a similar philosophy.
The episode is packed with named companies (Rondo Energy, Electra, Form Energy, Malta, Hydrostor, Fervo Energy, Eavor, Shell acquisition), specific dollar figures ($60M, $85M, $450M, $244M), concrete metrics (25% of global energy, 1,500°C heat storage, 90% emissions reduction, 100-hour discharge, $180/ton for DAC capture credit, $50/MWh for storage credit), timelines (5-7 years to commercialize a steel plant, 10-year VC fund lives, 20-year climate fund lives), and specific policy instruments (45Q, 45V IRA credits). Evidence density is exceptional.
Rondo Energy. They make what's essentially a giant brick battery that stores heat at over 1,500 degrees Celsius. You charge it with renewable electricity when it's cheap, then release that heat for industrial processes - cement, chemicals, food processing. They raised a $60 million Series B in late 2025.
For storage, 45V offers a credit per kilowatt-hour discharged, up to $50 per megawatt-hour for new standalone storage.
Luna asks good follow-up questions ("Give me a concrete example," "What about steel?," "Why aren't generalist VCs piling in?") and occasionally pushes - e.g., asking why generalist VCs aren't piling in reveals the fund-duration insight. However, Luna rarely challenges Lucas's claims or probes for counterarguments. The ARKK/ARKG tangent is awkwardly inserted and not productively integrated. Overall conversational flow is smooth but lacks the sharpness of true peer-level interrogation; it reads more like a knowledgeable guide walking a listener through a landscape than two operators debating assumptions.
Give me a concrete example. What's a startup in that space that's actually getting funded today?
Why aren't generalist VCs piling in? The numbers sound compelling.
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
Episode 84 of The Venture Capital Podcast explores the shift in climate tech venture investing away from headline-grabbing carbon capture toward harder, less flashy problems: industrial heat, steelmaking, and long-duration storage. Lucas and Luna break down why firms like Breakthrough Energy Ventures and Lowercarbon Capital are backing startups such as Rondo Energy and Electra, how the Inflation Reduction Act's 45Q and 45V tax credits reshaped deal math, and why the 'deep tech' sticker scares off generalist VCs. They also discuss the live data showing ARKK up 4.9% and ARKG up 9% in the last five days, and what that signals about investor appetite for breakthrough science. If you're an LP, founder, or operator wondering where climate capital is actually flowing in mid-2026 - beyond the buzzy direct-air-capture headlines - this episode gives you the concrete sectors, companies, and dollar figures to track.
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
Lucas: So there's this narrative that climate tech venture capital is all about carbon capture - suck CO2 out of the sky, sell credits, save the planet. And that's real, but it's not where the bulk of the money is going in 2026. Luna: Where is it going, then? Because whenever I scroll through climate headlines, it's always direct air capture this, DAC that.
Lucas: Right, the flashy stuff. But the actual venture dollars - especially from the smartest climate funds like Breakthrough Energy Ventures and Lowercarbon Capital - are flowing into what I'd call 'boring physics problems.' Industrial heat, green steel, long-duration storage. Things that don't sound sexy but move gigatons.
Luna: Give me a concrete example. What's a startup in that space that's actually getting funded today? Lucas: Rondo Energy. They make what's essentially a giant brick battery that stores heat at over 1,500 degrees Celsius.
You charge it with renewable electricity when it's cheap, then release that heat for industrial processes - cement, chemicals, food processing. They raised a $60 million Series B in late 2025 led by Breakthrough Energy Ventures and Microsoft's climate fund. And they're not alone. Luna: So it's about decarbonizing the stuff that can't just plug into a battery - the actual thermal energy that industry needs.
That's a huge market. Lucas: Exactly. Roughly 25% of global energy use is industrial heat. Electrifying that with renewable power and storage is a trillion-dollar opportunity.
And VCs are waking up to it because the policy tailwind is finally real - the Inflation Reduction Act's 45Q and 45V tax credits changed the unit economics for these projects. Luna: What about steel? That's another hard to abate sector. Is there venture activity there?
Lucas: Big time. Electra - a startup out of MIT - is using low-temperature electrolysis to make iron from low-grade ores, which cuts emissions by something like 90% compared to traditional blast furnaces. They raised an $85 million Series A in early 2026. Lowercarbon Capital led it.
And you look at the investor syndicate - it's all climate specialists, not generalist VCs. Luna: Why aren't generalist VCs piling in? The numbers sound compelling. Lucas: Two reasons.
First, the capital intensity is higher than SaaS - you need tens of millions before you even have a prototype. That scares firms used to writing $2 million cheques for software. Second, the timelines are longer. A steel plant takes five to seven years to commercialize.
Most VC fund lives are ten years. So unless you have dedicated climate funds with longer duration, it doesn't pencil. Luna: And that's where the specialist funds have an edge - they structure their funds to match the asset timeline. Lucas: Exactly.
Breakthrough Energy Ventures launched with a 20-year fund life. Lowercarbon has a similar philosophy. That lets them invest in Rondo or Electra without sweating the exit in year seven. Luna: Speaking of exit timelines, look at the public markets.
ARKK, the innovation ETF, is up nearly 5% in the last five days. ARKG, the genomics one, up 9%. That suggests some appetite for long-duration science bets is returning - even if it's not climate specifically. Lucas: That's a great point.
The sentiment spillover matters. When ARKK's up, LPs feel better about allocating to venture. And when LPs feel better, funds raise faster. We're seeing that in climate tech - Q1 2026 was the biggest quarter for climate venture since 2021.
Luna: This kind of deep dive is exactly why I love doing this show - you get real, specific, actionable frameworks. If today was actually useful to you, the way these stay ad-free is listener support - buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Lucas: Yeah, it's a small gesture that keeps us independent. And honestly, we get to dig into the stuff that matters without chasing clicks.
So if you're getting value, that's the best way to keep it going. Luna: All right - so back to the steel story. Electra's process uses renewable electricity to refine iron ore at 60 degrees Celsius, not 1,600. That's a fundamentally different chemistry.
Lucas: Right. And the ore they use is low-grade - what the industry calls 'waste'. So they're turning a liability into a feedstock. The unit economics get interesting because the input cost is near zero.
That's why VCs are excited - it's not just green, it's cheaper on a per-ton basis once you scale. Luna: Cheaper green steel - that's the holy grail. What about long-duration storage? Because lithium-ion is great for four hours, but not for 24 or 100.
Lucas: You've got a bunch of approaches. Form Energy is doing iron-air batteries - cheap, abundant materials, 100-hour discharge. They raised a $450 million Series E. There's also companies like Malta, which uses molten salt and antifreeze.
And startups like Hydrostor, which pumps compressed air into caverns. All of them are getting serious venture dollars now because the grid needs 10 to 100 hour storage to handle renewable intermittency. Luna: And the policy piece - the IRA's 45Q and 45V - how does that actually change the deal math? Lucas: So 45Q gives a tax credit per ton of CO2 captured - up to $180 per ton for direct air capture, less for industrial capture.
That turns a negative-cost project into a positive one. For storage, 45V offers a credit per kilowatt-hour discharged, up to $50 per megawatt-hour for new standalone storage. That's huge for long-duration projects where the upfront capital is steep but the operating cost is low. Luna: So if you're a founder in this space, you're basically building a project finance model with a tax equity layer.
That's a very different skill set from SaaS. Lucas: Completely. And that's why a lot of generalist VCs are sitting it out - they don't have the internal expertise to underwrite a 45Q stack. The climate specialists who came from energy or project finance have a massive edge.
Luna: Are there any sectors within climate tech that you think are being overlooked? Something that doesn't have a Lowercarbon or Breakthrough Energy writing cheques yet? Lucas: I'd say geothermal - but not the traditional kind. There's a new wave of startups using fracking techniques from oil and gas to create artificial geothermal reservoirs.
Companies like Fervo Energy and Eavor are drilling horizontal wells and circulating fluid to extract heat. Fervo raised $244 million in 2025. But the category is still tiny relative to its potential. The Earth's core is a 24/7 baseload energy source - no intermittency, no batteries needed.
Luna: And the technology is borrowed from an industry that has a lot of experienced engineers who might be looking for a transition. Lucas: Exactly. That talent pool is a hidden asset. A lot of former oil and gas engineers are now working at Fervo or Eavor.
They bring decades of drilling expertise. That's something software-first VCs might miss. Luna: So if I'm an LP looking at climate venture, what should I be tracking beyond the usual suspects? Lucas: Watch the deployment pace of the 2022 vintage funds.
They raised a ton of capital - Lowercarbon's $800 million fund, Breakthrough Energy's second fund at over $1 billion. If they're putting money to work quickly into industrial heat, green steel, and storage, that's a signal. Also watch the follow-on rounds - if a startup like Rondo gets a Series C from a crossover investor like TPG or GIC, that validates the thesis. Luna: And the public market data - ARKK and ARKG up this week - that's a sentiment indicator.
If innovation stocks keep rallying, it'll be easier for climate tech companies to eventually go public or get acquired at good multiples. Lucas: Right. And that's the eventual exit path. We're not seeing many climate tech IPOs yet - the companies are still too early.
But the M&A is starting. Shell just acquired a stake in a thermal storage startup. That's a sign that the incumbents are paying attention. Luna: So the headline is: follow the boring physics, not the flashy capture.
Lucas: That's the takeaway. The venture dollars that will actually move the needle on climate are going into heat, steel, storage, and geothermal. The carbon capture story is real, but it's a smaller piece of the pie than the marketing suggests.
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