An Ambulance Into the Future: Jose Luis Cordeiro on Cryonics, 2045, and The Death of Death

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Speaker B: Welcome to Silicon Valley Insider. I'm your host, Keith Koo. We're the show that wants to talk about technology, innovation, and for today, the future of humanity. I am actually at the El Palace Hotel in Barcelona, Spain. I'm here for my friend EPI Ludvik, former guest and his bold awards. And joined with me is someone who has spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley but now lives in Spain. He is Jose Luis Cordero, and if you haven't heard his name, you will, because he's been around for quite a while, and he is one of the leaders in transhumanism and longevity. And a very exciting show for you today. Jose, welcome to the show.

Speaker C: It is my pleasure, Keith. I'm very happy to talk to people from the Silicon Valley area that I loved, and I lived five years around there.

Speaker B: Well, I do want you to give us a little bit about your background and your ties with Silicon Valley. Sure.

Speaker C: Uh, well, I am an engineer from, uh, mit, and I was at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. I admired all the people working on technology, of course, but especially artificial intelligence. So I took courses with Marvin Minsky, one of the three founding fathers of AI, and also I got to know Ray Kurzweil, who is, like, the promoter of the Singularity. And so when, um, Singularity University was created in 2009, I actually moved, uh, to Silicon Valley. And it was there for the first four to five years. And then after that time, I decided to come to Spain and take these ideas, the ideas of the singularity, immortality, uh, cryonics, all this new concept into Spain, my mother country.

Speaker B: Yes. And very exciting. I mean, you literally think that we're going to be able to defeat death.

Speaker C: Absolutely. Uh, well, my dear friend, former boss, professor mentor Ray Kurzweil, who also lived a long time in Silicon Valley, but now he's back in Boston. Uh, he talks that we will reach the singularity and immortality by the year 2045. But just in case we have cryonics, as I say, cryonics is plan B. I think we should make it for plan A, which is immortality through biological rejuvenation. But just in case, it's better to be, you know, taken well care of if anything happens to us, because accidents happen all the time.

Speaker B: Yes. Well, I mean, I know you're one of the leading voices in longevity transhumanism. And so for today's show, because you've spoken a lot about the broader category, I do want to focus on cryonics. And I do want to ask this question. Are we going to get to the point where you believe that death is optional?

Speaker C: Absolutely. I already believe that it is optional right now. And as I write in my book, the Death of Death, uh, and then Ray Kurzweil talks about it also in my book, and all the forecasts that he's making.

Speaker B: Sure. A little higher.

Speaker C: Okay. Ray talks that in 2045, we will reach the technological singularity and also immortality. And also we will be very close to reanimate people who are cryonically suspended. Um, actually, in the 2050s, we should be able to reanimate people who are cryonically suspended. We don't use the word frozen because they're not really frozen. They are into a, um, cryonics environment with a, um, cryoprotector, so that their cells, uh, the cells of the people who are conserved that way don't break.

Speaker B: You know, it's funny, I just recently heard you speak, and we talked about how, in terms of artificial intelligence, Americans especially always think about Terminator and Skynet. When you say reanimate, I think about my childhood. There's a movie called Reanimated, which is a horror movie. And so those are the things that go in my head and I'm sure for others as well. But let's start back with what is cryonics versus cryogenics? I think a lot of people heard of cryogenics, you know, the rumor that Walt Disney had saved his head and those kind of things. What is cryonics?

Speaker C: Yes, actually, sometimes people use, uh, different words basically for the same thing, you know, cryogenics, cryonics, or cryopreservation, which is the one that I prefer because this is what is used for people when, especially women, when they cryopreserve their eggs or men also. We can also cryopreserve our sperm. And we can also cryopreserve, uh, embryos, human embryos. So this began about 70 years ago, uh, uh, seven decades ago, with the first cryonic suspension of, um, sperm. The sperm is actually very easy to get frozen. In fact, you basically get it frozen. You put it in liquid nitrogen. Liquid nitrogen is at a -196 degrees Celsius. And at that low temperature, there is no chemical movement. That means that the sperm are Frozen indefinitely. And, uh, it was discovered that you can freeze it and unfreeze it. And, um, again, 70 years ago, it took 20 years to be able to replicate this with eggs, because eggs are, uh, ah, a thousand times bigger. An egg is like the biggest cell in the body, and the sperm is the smallest cell in the body. So there is a difference of a thousand. And when you cryopreserve something as big as, um, a human egg that has water, then it creates crystals, and the crystals break the egg. That is why it took some time to develop what is called a cryoprotector. Cryoprotector is like, um, antifreeze, medical antifreeze. You inject it into the egg, and then the egg can be frozen, it can be cryopreserved. Then it took, uh, 10 more years to do this with embryos because science evolves step by step. So first it was sperm, then eggs, then embryo, now complete ovaries. Ovaries is a whole organ because sometimes women, when they are suffering cancer and they have a, uh, chemotherapy or radiotherapy, they extract their ovaries to be implanted back later on. And now we can also, uh, cryopreserve, uh, not organs like ovaries, but also corneas and also trachea. So different organs are, ah, now cryopreserved and more and more in the next five, ten years. So, uh, this is advancing very, very fast.

Speaker B: I like how you start off with the sperm and a female egg. Uh, but I mean, and we're talking now about certain organs, but the brain, I mean, that is really hard. Yeah, the brain is a very hard thing to think about. That you could actually cryopreserve the entire brain.

Speaker C: Well, it is a matter of time, I think, because, uh, scientists right now have been able to cryopreserve, for example, kidneys, small kidneys in animals, like, uh, in rabbits. You can cryopreserve the kidney of a rabbit and then reanimate it. And this is the word we normally use, reanimation, not resurrection. Because we don't believe these organs or the people are dead. They are just in suspended animation. And, yeah, the story, uh, became very popular when, uh, Walt Disney died, ah, because people thought that he was cryopreserved or that he was frozen. He actually died in December 19th. The first person that was cryonically suspended was in January 67. So one month after, uh, Disney died, the first person was cryopreserved. His name is James Bedford, and he's still frozen. He was frozen on January 12, 1967. One month after Disney died. So people make the mental correlation because Disney said that he wanted to live forever, he wanted to see the future so that he could be frozen, because one person was frozen one month after he died. But anyway, uh, from that time in 1967, there are probably close to 700 humans who have been frozen completely, or at least their brain, because the brain is the most important part.

Speaker B: Right. All right, well, Jose, my friend, this is an, ah, incredible start to today's Silicon Valley Insider. I have so many questions. I mean, I think I'm a little more educated than the average person, but you, you have so much knowledge in this space, and I really want to impact that. So as we continue on today's conversation, I'm gonna be asking all kinds of questions. It's definitely interactive. You're listening to Silicon Valley Insider. Keith Koo here in Barcelona with EPI Ludwig's bold awards on innovation, on crowdsourcing, and speaking to my good friend Jose Luis Cordero, who is one of the leading voices in transhumanism longevity and the author of the book the Death of Death. If you have any questions or comments, you can email us. As always, infovin Biz. Jose, how do they get ahold of you?

Speaker C: What's the best way through social media? You know, LinkedIn, Facebook, uh, Instagram, TikTok. Uh, I don't use TikTok too much. Uh, but yeah, I'm on social media.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker C: And LinkedIn is the best, is the professional connection.

Speaker B: And we will be right back.

Speaker A: For questions or comments on Today's program, call 1-888-828-7846. That's 888-828-SVIN. Now back to Silicon Valley Insider. Once again, your hosts, Keith Koo.

Speaker B: Hey, insiders. Welcome back to Silicon Valley Insider. I'm your host, Keith Koo, here in Barcelona, which is a beautiful city, with my friend Jose Luis Cordero. We've been on today's show talking about cryonics. Jose is a leading international figure on the whole concept of extension of life, transhumanism and preservation. And in our first segment, we just kind of laid out the framework of what cryonics is. And now I wanted to go a little bit deeper. But the first thing Jose, I wanted to say is just thank you for dispelling the myth. It's an urban legend that Walt Disney actually was. Was cryogenically frozen. He didn't actually make it, but you did talk about the first person to get cryogenically frozen, which is just one month after Disney died. I know that still goes along in America, for sure, that we all thought that Disney had at least his head frozen. So thank you very much for clearing that up.

Speaker C: Yeah. Uh, and it is very sad because I thought Walt Disney was a great person, a great mind. And you're right, we should have kept at least his brain. But, uh, he was ahead of his time as a good futurist. You know, he died one month before the first person was cryonically suspended.

Speaker B: All I think about is Tomorrowland in Disneyland. So, Jose, I did want to ask you, though, because we talked about how Ray Kurzweil and others think that we're as close as 2045 to be able to extend life.

Speaker C: Yes.

Speaker B: And I know people are going to have a lot of ethics questions, so we're going to wait till the third segment, the next segment after this. What I did want to say is that are all the technologies needed to do this existing now, or do we need to actually still have to develop more technologies to achieve 2045?

Speaker C: Yes, we need more technologies. In fact, um, as you know, science and engineering change continuously and now at an exponential rate, which is important. Things don't change linearly. They change exponentially. And this is important especially because we, we have not developed the technologies for, uh, full body reanimation. In fact, not even for big organs reanimation. We can reanimate small organs. Like I mentioned, an ovary, which is an organ, or, um, a cornea. Those can be reanimated, but not yet a brain. Even the brain of a small animal. Not yet. But this will come. These are the trends. And, um, I'm very optimistic that we will probably be able to do this in a decade, at most two decades, and then to freeze first and then to reanimate in the future. Because for that we will need nanotechnology that we don't yet have.

Speaker B: Okay, thank you. And then just because I have limited experience or expertise in this, so you can educate me. How is this different than cloning? Because cloning is possible. What is your view on cloning versus reanimation? Because of the consciousness and intelligence and experience. Why don't you let me know the difference?

Speaker C: Yeah. Well, cloning is making a new body, uh, including the brain. In fact, actually, there is one disease called anencephalia, which means that you don't have a brain. This is a very rare disease of bodies without brains. So you can actually grow a body, your own body, without a brain, and then transfer your brain. Because the most important organ, what makes you you, is basically the brain. You know, like 99% of the neurons are in the brain. Uh, even though you do have some in other parts of the body, you are not your heart, you are not your intestines. You are basically your brain. That is your memories, uh, your loves. It's in the brain. This can be done with small animals, by the way. There are some small, uh, worms called Sea Elegance. Sea elegance is one of the most used animals in science, is very tiny. It has about a thousand cells. And out of Those thousand cells, 300 are neurons. And you can freeze and unfreeze these worms and they come back to life. You put them into liquid nitrogen temperature. And even though they have a very tiny brain, I repeat, only 300 neurons, but the brain comes back alive and with its memories. Scientists tested if they remembered things like the Pavlov reflex, you know, the Pavlov reflex of the dogs salivating. Well. So these worms were trained for some reflexes, and after they were trained, they were frozen, cryonically suspended, and then reanimated, and they had their memories. So we have the scientific proof that this can be done, at least with little worms and also with humans, because when you have an embryo, a human embryo, and this is actually incredible, right now the number is about 12 million humans have been born after being frozen or been cryonically suspended, mostly as eggs or embryos.

Speaker B: Yes, and this leads me to two other questions. First one is because you just said that it might be possible to transplant a brain into a shell of a human. But wouldn't that brain organically have the same age? So what if it Was like an 80 year old person? The brain organically is 80 years old. How would that organic organ be able to be transplanted to a brain that, I mean, to a human that's only however many years old, depending on how fast you can accelerate growth.

Speaker C: Yeah, well, as you said, we can just, um, preserve the brain, but also the whole body. In the 2050s, we should have the technologies for biological rejuvenation. So even if you have frozen a person that is 80 years old, you should be able to rejuvenate him. But of course, the brain, the most important part, has to be in good condition. For example, if you have Alzheimer's, if you have dementia in the final states, then it really is not, um, it's too late. It's too late for your brain to be reanimated in the future, very subtly, in fact. Maybe the body could be cloned and you could have a new body. But if your brain is destroyed, then you don't want your brain in a new body, because that's not you. But anyway, even about Alzheimer's and dementia, there are new discoveries that certain later stages can be reversed. So it might be possible in the future, uh, even if you have dementia, to get your brain back in shape.

Speaker B: Yes. And those types of things I do understand. I think that those certainly would be beneficial and possible. I mean, it's basically as even Bill Gates said. And everyone knows I'm a person of faith, but also I embrace science as, uh, Bill Gates said that the human brain as a living example of computer software, the most complex software as a human, as a computer ever written, that I do believe it's able to be reprogrammed. And so that's what I'm thinking about. The analogy of being able to fix dementia or Alzheimer's or something like that is being able to reprogram certain aspects in order for you to kind of reboot yourself.

Speaker C: Absolutely. And in the case of Bill Gates, actually, his father had m Alzheimer's, which is a horrible disease. All diseases are horrible, beginning with the mother of all diseases that we call aging. Aging is the mother of all chronic diseases. So anyway, if you are about to die, uh, of something that does not destroy your brain, like, for example, cancer. Cancer actually is a good way to die because it can be programmed. When you have cancer, it is fairly known when you will die. Not with a heart attack. Heart attacks can happen anytime. So it is very bad if you want to be cryopreserved and then you have a heart attack because you might be found one day later if you are living alone or if you don't have any wearables that can track, uh, your condition. But anyway, so if you are properly cryopreserved, we believe that in about three decades. This is also what my friend Ray Kurzweil says in the 2050s, we should be able to reanimate your brain and even rejuvenate your body.

Speaker B: And that is. It's still. Even as a technologist, it's still hard for me to fathom. I mean, I know that we are much further along than we were when the first infertility treatments, the first, uh, in vitro fertilization techniques happened when I was a kid. And you said there's 12 million now.

Speaker C: Now. It's incredible. Yeah. The first one was close to 50 years ago, and now we have 12 million humans. It's incredible. And there will be more because people want to have children, and if they cannot have children because of some problem with the female or the Male. Male. Um, there are new technologies. In vitro fertilization helps many of these also. It allows you to select the best eggs or the best embryos that you want. So because you want your child to be as good as possible.

Speaker B: Yeah. And as we close the segment, I just want to give a shout out to my late Aunt Gloria, who is one of the chief scientists at Merck. Um, she had one of the first patents on sex selection, uh, using the centrifuge. Now, that wasn't ever commercially viable, wasn't considered safe, but she does have that, and I just want to honor her memory in this discussion. So that is awesome. You're listening to Silicon Valley Insiders special guest today, Jose Luis Cordero, one of the leading, leading voices, minds in transhumanism, longevity, and all the science related to that. You can go check out Jose and his book, Death by Death.

Speaker C: Death of Death.

Speaker B: Death of Death. And we're going to come back and talk about ethics, governance, and I just have so many questions. So thanks a lot, Jose. Email us @infosvn Ah, biz. And go find his book, the Death of Death. We'll be right back.

Speaker A: For questions or comments on Today's program, call 1-888-828-7846. That's 888-828-SVIN. Now back to Silicon Valley Insider. Once again, your hosts, Keith Koo.

Speaker B: Welcome back to Silicon Valley Insider. I'm your host, Keith Koo, and I'm in the beautiful city of Barcelona, as they say here in Spain. My, uh, friend EPI Ludvik, who's been a past guest, um, is hosting his annual Bold Awards on crowdsourcing innovation. And one of EPI's really good friends, and my new friend as well is Jose Luis Cordero, one of the leading minds in the topic, the science on longevity and transhumanism. And as a science fiction nerd, I just have been enjoying this conversation immensely. So welcome back, Jose.

Speaker C: Thank you. And I also love science fiction. In fact, when I was at mit, I went to Boston University for Isaac Asimov. And then I traveled later all the way to Sri Lanka to meet Sir Arthur C. Clarke. And I loved Sir Arthur C. Clarke also because he was very hilarious. You know, on a personal level, he was a great person. So I had the pleasure. And he wanted to be cryopreserved. Sadly, he died, you know, in Colombo, Sri Lanka, with no way to do this properly. So he was not cryopreserved, but he believed in this as a possibility.

Speaker B: The funny thing about Arthur C. Clarke is that I didn't start with 2001 in Space Odyssey. That's a movie I was a kid I actually saw in my uncle's house in Hong Kong, visiting 2010. And 2010 was so interesting to me that I went back and read 2001. And then later on he wrote. Was it 2016?

Speaker C: 2016, yes. And then he even has the latest one was, uh, of the series is Space Odyssey 3100. And actually there are people who are frozen in outer space because the temperature is so low. So some astronauts traveling through space frozen, and they come back to life.

Speaker B: Thank you, Jose. Because earlier in the show, you have to go rewind, uh, the podcast we did talk about what the whole science of cryonics is, but I wanted to shift gears and as you and I had a nice dinner with epi, two and a half hours long, I wanted to actually talk about ethics, governance and the implications of society if we're able to live forever. Why don't we start off with that? I can have a lot to say. But of course, people probably discount sometimes for people who are not in the faith community, they're going to discount it like, well, it's because you're a person of faith. But just starting off with you, what are the ethics, uh, behind the science?

Speaker C: Actually, half of my book is about the ethics issues. In fact, the subtitle is called the Scientific Possibility of Physical Immortality and its Moral Defense. The ethical part is very important because I believe that life is good, death is bad. In fact, when we have human rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the number one right is the right to life. And it should be the only right, because if you are not alive, you don't have any more rights. You don't have liberty, you don't have property, you don't have anything else. So the right to life. My friend Peter Diamandis, he was invited about 10 years ago to the Academy of Science of the Vatican, and he gave a talk called the Morality of Immortality and the Immorality of Mortality. Because it is moral, it is ethical to be alive for as long as possible. And actually all religions want people to be healthy, want people to live. So it is related to religion. It doesn't matter if you believe in any religion, but already just want you to be healthy. And now science and technology can give you that indefinitely. You can live biologically rejuvenated according to what we believe. Ray Kurzweil and many other new people working on this. But also if you die, you can be frozen again. The best word is, uh, cryonically suspended because we call the process cryopreservation, as women do when they froze, freeze their eggs. So anyway, we can cryopreserve the brain, the whole body, then eventually reanimate the body and also rejuvenate the body or give it a new body, a new body to the old brain. So the possibilities are really unthinkable. Arpa age, which is like darpa, um, but for health. It's called arpa, H. H is health. They are actually working on this disease and encephalia, which is no brain. No brain to be able to create organs because, uh, the army, the defense forces, they need body parts. Actually, this might sound bad, but it really is. So you might need legs, you might need arms, you might need kidneys. And if you can have those from your own body, it's fantastic because there will be no rejection. So this is one of the possibilities happening into the future, as you know. Also in 1967, also the first year, one human was cryopreserved. James Bedford, on 1-12-67. Also that year, in December, uh, was the first heart transplant. It was Dr. Christian Barnard in South Africa who did the first heart transplant. There was a lot of discussion, including a lot of ethical discussion. Oh, how about the heart of a dead man? How about his loves are the loves in the heart of that dead person? And how about if people from different races touch that heart? Because some of the nurses were actually different races. You know, South Africa has in the end, black, white, everything. And some of the nurses, you know, were different races. So how could a, ah, different race touch the heart of a person? And how about his feelings? So there was an incredible discussion about the ethical moral issues. But now it's normal. Now heart transplants are very normal. And not just heart transplant. Basically all organs are easy to be transplanted and the best ones is if they are your own organs, of course.

Speaker B: And I totally get that, and I think that makes a lot of sense. But here's the fundamental question for you, because of course, if I'm a person of faith, I'm going to believe that we have an essence, a soul, a spirit, that we believe that the brain is different as an organ than any other organ. So my question for you is, and you can suspend faith to you, is replicating a heart different than replicating a brain? Or is replicating a brain different than replicating a heart? I think it's different because we're the essences. But for you, is it the same?

Speaker C: No, no, they are different because as I said, uh, you can do organ transplants and every organ you can transplant and is still you if you keep the brain, because the brain is really you. So you can have a heart transplant and you are you. You can have a kidney transplant and you are still you. You can have, uh, a actually now even face transplant, you can have the whole face transplanted, but you are still you if you keep your brain. So yes, the brain is unique. I think the brain is the most

Speaker B: important organ and we agree with that. And you know the interesting part because we were talking about technology and Jose, I love this. We're going to do some more zoomed conversations because I could go on for so many topics. You know what's amazing to me about the human brain? All flash memory, not a hard drive.

Speaker C: Interesting.

Speaker B: That's all flash memory. And that's back to the point we're saying is that you're uniquely you because of the organ the brain. And whether you believe in a soul or you don't believe a soul, once that is gone or deteriorated, you are done. And so what's amazing to m me when I think about computers, servers, arrays that you and I are just one big flash memory. And there's no solid. We're solid state. There's no storage. We cannot offload yet our memories and everything else yet into. And this is where, uh, again, we can have so many different shows about this. Some transhumanists want to be able to upload, because you don't like the word download. Upload their consciousness, their memories, their core into some other receptacle, including a computer

Speaker C: or a server, a robot.

Speaker B: This will take too much time on today's show because we're going to stick with cryonics, we're going to stick with this, um, biological longevity. But these are so many things that we could go to. So back to ethics. What about the societal implications? We haven't yet. Think of it from a natural, uh, resources, scarcity mindset. I know people not want to be scarcity. We eat food, production, money, societal things. How does it benefit everybody to be immortal if they still need to eat, they need to drink, they need to sleep, and there's limited resources. Or some people say that. How do we manage that if everybody's going to live forever?

Speaker C: There are some good problems and bad problems. A bad problem. In fact, the worst problem is to die because, um, you know, materially you are dead if you die. If we are alive, we can solve problems. In fact, this is what we do. And we have been doing this for thousands of years. So all the other problems we can solve. In fact we will even solve death. So which is the biggest problem of humanity. 90% of Americans die of age related diseases. So aging is the big enemy, is the common enemy of humanity. But anyway we are very close to solving it. That is what I explain in my book, the Death of Death. So read it. Because also I am donating all the book royalties to scientific research. Half in California and half in Spain where I live.

Speaker B: That's amazing and very generous of you. So in California, because I went to UC Davis, that was where my undergraduate is, UC Davis, when I went full transparency wasn't a top 10 public university, it is now a top 10 public university, hit number six. And I believe a lot of that has to do with several key sciences and uh, focuses on different academic areas. And one of the things that's never really covered overtly, but many people in the scientific community know is that UC Davis is one of the leading institutions for cryonics, for longevity. It is rumored. I say it's rumored because I have good sources, but I don't want to name those sources that some of the leading technologists, billionaires in Silicon Valley, all go to UC Davis for longevity treatments. All the things you can think of that you and I are talking about the going on in your head. Jose, where are people putting that science in California and Spain? Who publicly is working on it that you can share?

Speaker C: Well actually as you said, uh, UC Davis and many other universities as well, all the way to Japan and here in Spain there are many scientists working on this because they are beginning to understand that this is not only possible, that it is real and that it is happening soon. So uh, for example, I believe we will be able to cure aging. So the question is not if it is possible, but when will it be possible. And now billionaires are putting billions of dollars like uh, Jeff Bezos, uh, and Yuri Milner and others created Altos Labs in Los Altos, California. And this was a startup that began with $3 billion. That is a nice startup, $3 billion. But also the Google guys, you know, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, also they created Calico California Life Company also with $3 billion. So uh, many, many other people, Mark Zuckerberg and uh, his wife Priscilla Chan, they created the Chan Zuckerberg initiative and they are donated 99% of their fortune to cure all diseases. Incredible. All diseases, including the mother of all diseases, which is agents. So many wealthy people are ah, seeing that this is happening, that we are very close and we need to accelerate it because every single day, 110,000 people die. Every single date of age related diseases. There are other causes of death, like worse. No war kills 110,000 people per day. Yesterday, 110,000 people died because of aging. Today, another 110,000. Tomorrow, another 110,000 people die of age related diseases. So we need to cure this horrible war against humans caused because of aging. And then again, if people die, at least we should be able to cryopreserve them. Very few people know about this, and they think it is very expensive, but it is not expensive. Uh, it's like freezing eggs. Women know that freezing eggs. Depending on the clinic, it could be from $1,000 to maybe $5,000. This is for eggs. For ovaries, it is probably twice as much. Uh, for brains, it also goes between 20 to 80,000 US dollars and then for whole bodies, a little bit more. But, you know, this is, uh, something that can be done. And I advise this. If you love life, if you want to live longer here, you can also live in another place, in another time. I have nothing against that. If you believe in an afterlife, that is fantastic. I'm so happy for you. But why not live longer here while you can?

Speaker B: Got it. Thank you. Jose, this is just an amazing segment and really appreciate your candor and sharing all this knowledge and reminding people that you are the author of the Death of Death, which is available on Amazon and other places. Absolutely.

Speaker C: Uh, there you go. The Death of death in 15 languages. 15 languages. It is in Chinese, it is in Russian, it is, of course, in Spanish, my mother tongue, and English. So I'm very happy, uh, very, very happy. So read it. If you don't want to die, as my friends say, read it. Because those who read the Death of Death will not die or your money back.

Speaker B: Well, who's gonna ask for the refund? But when we come back, we're gonna finish the show talking about the future. If you have any questions or comments, go to email us at infosvi biz and we will be right back.

Speaker A: Uh, for questions or comments on Today's program, call 1-888-828-7846. That's 888-828-SVIN. Now back to Silicon Valley Insider. Once again, your hosts, Keith Koo.

Speaker B: Hey, insiders. Welcome back to Silicon Valley Insider. I'm your host, Keith Koo in the beautiful city of Barcelona for the bold awards. And joined with me is Jose Luis Cordero, one of the leading minds on longevity, on transhumanism, and the author of the book the death of death. And so today's show has been all about cryonics and the implications of that. The science that's required that has already been achieved, and the science that's needed. Thanks a lot, Jose. It's been really informative for me.

Speaker C: Well, it is my pleasure, Keith. You are talking very important, uh, issues for humanity, for you and me too.

Speaker B: And thank you also for clearing up something for me. I was going to go down the path of all these. Billionaires are investing in technologies, universities, uh, are doing research. And there's a thought that really, we talked about the end of last thing. There's a thought that the ability to preserve or extend life is going to be something that only, only very wealthy or billionaire people can actually get to achieve.

Speaker C: Well, no, I think this will be for everybody who wants it. All, technologies, all. When they begin, they are very expensive and very bad. But when they are democratized, they become available to everybody and very cheaply. We can see that with the sequence of the human genome. The first one cost $3 billion and 13 years. And now you can see, sequence your genome, uh, for, um, $100 in a few hours. So you can see the incredible advances of technology. And it is because of democratization, when people have access to it, prices fall dramatically.

Speaker B: And of course, I've seen that in technology. But then we can also talk about the developed world and the underdeveloped world. How do we actually bring up the people who still don't even have access to food and safety and shelter and water? How does that work together? Where is the equilibrium that happens?

Speaker C: Well, many things are happening simultaneously. The United nations has been pushing for their Sustainable Development Goals, for example. But again, the beauty is technology spreads throughout the world very quickly. We can see this with the, uh, pandemic with COVID 19, actually. The vaccines, first of all, were developed in 10 months, not in 10 years, in 10 months. And also, even though they cost billions, maybe even trillions of dollars to develop, they were given to everybody, even in India, in Africa, for free. Why? Because it was a, um, horrible pandemic throughout the planet. But Covid is nothing compared to aging. Aging actually kills everybody. Up to now, everybody is biologically dying. So if Covid, um, was a revolution in terms of financing public health and creating a vaccine for everybody, imagine what we can do now for aging if people understand that this is possible to cure aging. And just in case, remember cryonics as plan B. It is insurance, because also, accidents happen all the time.

Speaker B: Well, this is very educational. You say that cranix is plan B. What's plan A?

Speaker C: Well, plan A is biological, uh, rejuvenation, immortality, to live indefinitely young for as long as you want. That is my plan A. But just in case, because accidents happen, uh, I have plan B. So all my friends, my family know that I want to be cryonically suspended. Like, there are hundreds of people around the world. And in the usa, there are the two biggest centers. One is Alcor Life Extension foundation in Scottsdale, Arizona, and the other one is Cryonics Institute in Detroit, Michigan.

Speaker B: And does it require. Because, again, I'm not most educated, does it require actually clinical death to do this?

Speaker C: Well, death actually is a process. Death is not just one second. The organs, uh, deteriorate after you are clinically dead, but they are still viable. That is why we have organ transplants. They don't take your heart for a transplant where you are alive. They have to wait until you are declared dead to take your heart. But the heart is alive, your liver is alive, your brain is alive. To answer the question, yes, you have to be declared clinically dead, but your brain is recoverable. So we have a few we don't know because we haven't reanimated, um, a full person or even a brain yet, but probably several minutes, even hours. Also, it depends on the temperature, because if you die in the desert in Arizona, you know, at 110 degrees, then the brain decomposes, the whole body decomposes very quickly. But if you are, um, at low temperatures, actually, that is why we need to put the people immediately in ice. In fact, even dry ice, which is minus 80 degrees Celsius, then you can be preserved. That is why we have, um, freezers. You know, the refrigerator is to keep meat in good condition.

Speaker B: As we finish up, I want to end on a funny note. So you're basically saying that right now Scottsdale is probably the center for doing this, United States, and yet it's a very hot environment. So if you have the means, you need to have the ability to get to Arizona very quickly before you pass.

Speaker C: Uh, yes, yes. And so you could go from extreme heat to extreme cold. Because I like to say that cryonics is very cool. Very, very cool. And it is an ambulance into the future. An ambulance into the future. Not from a place to another place, from your house to the hospital. No, it's an ambulance from the present to the future. Medical technologies.

Speaker B: With that, Jose Luis Cordero, the author of the book the Death of Death. I really appreciate you being on the show, and I look forward to having you come back.

Speaker C: Live long and prosper, my friend.

Speaker B: If you have any questions or comments, email us at, uh, infobn, viz. We will see you on the next one. Thanks, Jose.

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