The Security Repo · 2026-03-11 · 38 min
Why Compliance Isn’t Governance & How GovOps Rebuilds Trust Boundaries - Mike Schwartz In this episode of the Security Repo Podcast, Dwayne sits down with Mike Schwartz (CEO & founder of Gluu) to unpack GovOps as “next-gen governance” built to be declarative, provable, and continuous. They dig into why compliance ≠ governance, how formal reasoning can help prove policy outcomes, and why modern governance needs to shift from periodic audits to real-time visibility. The conversation closes with the collision of agentic AI + identity, the need for better software identity and token trust, and how this moment might finally unlock board-level investment in security. Links from the show: GovOps Working Group on LinkedIn Identerati Office Hours The Janssen Project Mike Schwartz is the Founder/CEO of Gluu, and leads the Linux Foundation Janssen Project. He is the co-author of the book "Securing the Perimeter" (Apress 2018) about how to use open source IAM tools. In addition to his day job at Gluu, he currently hosts the “Identerati Office Hours” Livestream twice a week, which features discussions on all topics digital identity and security.
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