Vibe code vs no-code: Softr’s vision for the future of app building

Episode notes

This episode was recorded live at SaaStock Europe 2025. Alex Theuma sits down with Mariam Hakobyan, CEO and Co-founder of Softr, to explore the evolution of app building in the AI era. Mariam explains why Softr is focusing on AI-powered no-code and why the companies that focus on solving real, hard problems will define the next generation of SaaS. Alex and Mariam discuss how Softr’s journey to over 1 million non-technical builders, the debate around vibe-coded apps, how AI is transforming no-code, and what it really takes to build a product that lasts.