
Hosted by Steve Mellor and Lee Povey
★5.0on Apple Podcasts · 6 recent reviews
Hosts Lee Povey and Steve Mellor are two high-performance coaches with a passion to position founders and business leaders to pursue the best version of themselves.
28 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-05-12 · ~41 min/episode
Rank
#5001
Substance
50.0
/ 100
Breakdown
Scored 2026-07
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Across the index
#5001 of 6219
Substance
Top 80%
outscores 20% of the index
The Founders Catalyst ranks #5001 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 50.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on insight density and guest caliber. The episode contains a handful of serviceable ideas (structured unstructured time, process-focus over outcome-focus, Gottman's bids for connection) but they are spread thinly across heavy banter, self-deprecating asides, and repeated cross-references to prior episodes. The insight-per-minute ratio is low for a B2B operator audience.
Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.
The episode contains a handful of serviceable ideas (structured unstructured time, process-focus over outcome-focus, Gottman's bids for connection) but they are spread thinly across heavy banter, self-deprecating asides, and repeated cross-references to prior episodes. The insight-per-minute ratio is low for a B2B operator audience.
“It's the difference between working in your business and working on your business.”
“The Gottman's bids for connection that everybody around you that is, uh, working with you, that's in a relationship with you, whether it's a friendship or romantic relationship, they are putting out these bids for connection.”
Almost every framework invoked is well-worn: 'what got us here won't get us there' is a famous book title, 'aggregation of marginal gains' is a widely-recycled Dave Brailsford reference, and 'busyness does not equal productive' is a ubiquitous cliché. The episode's central framing is credited to a third party (Chris Williamson) rather than generated by the hosts.
“is it possible that what got us here won't get us there, so to speak?”
“Going back to that Olympic cycling, GB Olympic cycling ethos of, uh, the aggregation of marginal gains.”
There are no guests; this is a two-host format featuring executive coaches with elite-sport backgrounds. One host references guiding an athlete to the US Olympic team, providing some practitioner credibility, but neither host is a senior operator who has run a scaled B2B business, limiting the depth of domain-specific authority.
“this athlete that I guided to the U.S. uh, Olympic team, and Brooks Curry.”
“I get hired because leaders tell me there's a problem with somebody else that they want me to sort. And then we're like, okay, and how about you?”
The episode names one athlete (Brooks Curry) and one third-party podcast host (Chris Williamson), but the Japan four-day work week study is entirely uncited, the 10% social-media engagement figure comes from an unnamed friend, and most evidence is loose personal anecdote about the hosts' own small coaching practices with no revenue figures, timelines, or measurable outcomes.
“this athlete that I guided to the U.S. uh, Olympic team, and Brooks Curry.”
“In Japan, they did a study a couple of years ago where certain firms worked four days a week instead of five days a week.”
The two hosts are collegial and occasionally build on each other's points, but there is no pushback, no challenge to any claim, and extended segments of mutual flattery and off-topic banter that dilute the substance. Questions posed within the conversation are open-ended but rarely sharp enough to extract non-obvious detail.
“For those of you that are listening to us on a, um, podcast instead of watching us on YouTube, which you should do because Steve's a very handsome bald man.”
“Are we being performative? Right. Are we doing this because of what other people think?”
First period on the Index - history builds from here.
1 scored on substance · 28 tracked in total.
Really enjoy how thought provoking their conversations are. As a business leader, it’s super easy to get into the weeds and overlook some of the bigger overarching topics we need to think about and this podcast helps me recenter on what’s really important. Great voices too!
- TheCashflowDoctor
Lots of coaches haven’t even lived what they are teaching. These guys have for most of their lives. High level thinking that we all should be listening too.
- big fan matt
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