
The Exchange for Entrepreneurs™ Podcast · 2026-06-25 · 25 min
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The June 2026 edition of The Market This Month explores a pivotal shift in capital markets characterized by unprecedented IPO activity and renewed appetite for growth companies. Anna Sarin and Bruce Campbell discuss how major financings - SpaceX targeting $75 billion at a $1.8 trillion valuation, alongside Anthropic and OpenAI each pursuing similar fundraises - are creating approximately $500 billion in concurrent capital needs. This is generating measurable volatility as institutional investors liquidate existing tech holdings to fund allocations, explaining recent VIX spikes of 20-30%. On the Canadian Securities Exchange specifically, the breakthrough is tech IPOs: companies like Yocal.ai are listing alongside resource plays (Pure Core Metals, Atlantico Energy), reversing a decade-long hollowing out where mid-cap tech firms were acquired rather than grown publicly. Recent financings by LaFleur Minerals ($11M), Apex Critical Metals ($15M), and Formation Metals ($22.4M upsize) show the financing window remains open for companies with clear catalysts. Campbell notes that volatility spikes historically precede positive 6-12 month returns, and US institutional capital is now actively participating in Canadian public markets - a shift from the Canada-isolated financing environment of 24 months prior.
SpaceX is being valued at $1.8 trillion and targeting approximately $75 billion in capital raise, though the offering is oversubscribed and likely to exceed that amount.
SpaceX, Anthropic, and OpenAI combined are expected to raise approximately $500 billion, with SpaceX targeting ~$75 billion, Google ~$80 billion, and Anthropic and OpenAI each in similar ranges.
Investors must liquidate existing tech holdings to fund IPO allocations rather than relying on cash reserves, creating sector-wide rebalancing and trading activity that drives volatility.
Tech IPOs on the CSE represent the first meaningful resurgence in nearly a decade, reversing a pattern where mid-cap tech firms were acquired rather than grown publicly in Canada.
While short-term direction (1-2 weeks to 2 months) is unpredictable after volatility spikes, 6-12 month returns following VIX spikes have historically been positive.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The episode contains a handful of usable data points (SpaceX valuation, gold price trajectory, small-cap earnings timing) but most of the runtime is consumed by surface-level macro narration and mutual affirmations. The insight-per-minute rate is low for a 25-minute runtime aimed at B2B capital markets operators.
coming through the second quarter of 2025 was when we started to see earnings numbers increasing on mass in smaller companies. We had seen it in the large companies before that
topped out at $5,500 an ounce, and it's you know, kind of in that low 4,000s now, but where was it a few years ago? You know, it was in the two, it had a two at the very front
The episode is almost entirely conventional market commentary with no contrarian arguments or first-principles thinking; the guest explicitly cites Peter Lynch as if it is fresh insight, and the rest of the discussion follows a predictable bull-market cheerleading arc.
it's the Peter Lynch analogy, right? Like invest in what you know.
Historically, when we've seen this type of volatility...that historically, you know, has been um a long-term positive for markets
Bruce Campbell is a legitimate working portfolio manager at a real investment firm with demonstrable awareness of small-cap earnings trends and Canadian capital markets mechanics; however, he is not a notable figure with a differentiated track record visible in this transcript, and Anna Sarin is effectively a CSE house spokesperson.
We continue to see really strong earnings across the board in small cap. And again, going back to just a little bit under a year ago now, we started to see that trend emerging
when you go through slide decks or presentations from companies, a lot of them have their resource estimates based on a lot lower um commodity prices
The episode earns its score through a cluster of real numbers - SpaceX valuation and raise size, gold price peak and current level, named financings with dollar amounts - but many observations remain qualitative and the sourcing of claims is never explained, limiting their credibility.
they're gonna value it at 1.8 trillion and they're raising, I think, around 75 billion is what they targeted, but it's oversubscribed
Google's announced that they're gonna raise around 80 billion. We have anthropic and open AI, which probably come in around the same range, maybe more. You're looking at half a trillion dollars probably with those four companies alone
The host asks generic open-ended questions, never challenges any claim, and repeatedly affirms the guest with phrases like 'I love this' and 'absolutely'; the conversation functions as a promotional vehicle for the CSE rather than a substantive interview.
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I love this. I love this. Okay.
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Episode 6 of The Market this Month is live - and we're seeing growing signs that capital markets are reopening as investors position for opportunities in the second half of 2026. Powered by the Canadian Securities Exchange in partnership with Stockhouse, host Anna Serin is joined by Bruce Campbell of StoneCastle Investment Management to break down the latest trends shaping junior and small-cap markets. Spotlight topic: IPO momentum returns as capital markets reopen A surge in IPO activity across Canada and the U.S., alongside continued financing strength, is signalling renewed investor confidence. As capital flows back into growth sectors, investors are watching for opportunities across technology, resources, and emerging small-cap companies.
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
1 - > SPEAKER_00: The Canadian Securities Exchange presents 2 - > your go-to source for trends in junior and small cap markets. 3 - > Each month, join host Anna Sarin, and financial expert 4 - > Bruce Campbell, in partnership with Stockers. 5 - > SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the June 2026 edition of the Market This 6 - > Month. 7 - > I'm Anna Sarin, Director of Listings Development with the 8 - > Canadian Securities Exchange, and today we're taking a closer 9 - > look at what's been driving markets over the past few weeks, 10 - > particularly through the lens of Canadian public companies and 11 - > the junior capital markets.
12 - > As we move into June, investors continue to navigate a 13 - > fascinating mix of improving sentiment, persisting economic 14 - > uncertainty, and renewed appetite for capital formation. 15 - > While volatility remains a defining feature of the market 16 - > environment, investors are increasingly looking ahead to 17 - > opportunities that may emerge in the second half of 2026. 18 - > This past month, markets reacted to several significant 19 - > developments. 20 - > Geopolitical tensions eased following progress towards 21 - > ceasefire agreements in key regions, helping to stabilize 22 - > investor sentiment.
23 - > Earnings season delivered a mixed but generally constructive 24 - > picture, with many companies demonstrating resilience despite 25 - > ongoing concerns around inflation and interest rates. 26 - > At the same time, spikes in the VIX reminded investors that 27 - > uncertainty remains very much a part of today's investment 28 - > landscape. 29 - > Despite these challenges, capital continues to flow into 30 - > the market. 31 - > Here at the CSC, we were pleased to welcome several new issuers 32 - > to the exchange, including Yocal.
ai, bringing innovative 33 - > AI-powered business solutions to the public markets, as well as 34 - > three resource-focused companies, Pure Core Metals, 35 - > Flow Capital Corp., and Atlantico Energy Corp. 36 - > The financing market also remained active, demonstrating 37 - > that investors continue to support compelling growth 38 - > stories and quality management teams. 39 - > Recent financings included LaFleur Minerals$11 million bot 40 - > deal financing, Cresco Labs securing U.
S. 41 - > $50 million Revolving Credit Facility, Apex Critical Metals 42 - > closing a$15 million life financing, Max Power completing 43 - > a$25 million strategic investment from Eric Sprott, and 44 - > Formation Metals closing an upsize$22.4 million private 45 - > placement to accelerate its exploration program. 46 - > Taken together, these transactions suggest that while 47 - > investors remain selective, the financing window remains open 48 - > for companies with strong assets, clear catalysts, and 49 - > disciplined execution.
50 - > So what does all of this mean for investors today? 51 - > We'll discuss whether the recent resurgence in IBO activity 52 - > signals a broader reopening of the capital markets. 53 - > While recent volatility may tell us about the longer-term outlook 54 - > and which sectors appear best positioned as inflation, 55 - > interest rates, and economic growth continue to shape 56 - > investment decisions. 57 - > We'll also take a closer look at the current outlook for precious 58 - > metals, base metals, energy, and technology, along with the 59 - > seasonal trends investors should be watching as we head into the 60 - > summer months.
61 - > To help us break it all down, I'm joined once again by my 62 - > co-host, Bruce Campbell, Portfolio Manager with 63 - > Stonecastle Investment Management. 64 - > All right, Bruce. 65 - > Well, listen, thank you for joining us for our June 2026 66 - > episode of The Market This Month. 67 - > Unfortunately, we are virtual today and not in person, but I 68 - > think we're going to have you out in Vancouver next month.
69 - > So I look forward to seeing you again next month in person. 70 - > Um, let's dive right into it. 71 - > Um what we've seen over the past month uh in May and early part 72 - > of June was a large number um of IPOs, both in Canada and the US. 73 - > What does this tell us about what's going on in the markets 74 - > and uh maybe investor sentiment?
75 - > SPEAKER_01: Well, we certainly have seen a lot of IPOs, both 76 - > ones that have been listed and ones that are in the works for 77 - > listing. 78 - > The uh the we're recording this just before the SpaceX IPO is uh 79 - > going to be coming public, and that's gonna have a lot of 80 - > attention because it's the biggest IPO that we've ever seen 81 - > in history. 82 - > And then we also have uh Anthropic and Open AI as well in 83 - > the works. 84 - > And then even in Canada here, Canada's joined uh joined the 85 - > IPO train in that uh we saw Apatex, which is the healthcare 86 - > company, um, they went public as well.
87 - > So we've seen a lot of really big IPOs. 88 - > And I guess this really comes back to what we've a trend we've 89 - > been talking about now for probably close to a year, which 90 - > was this trend of seeing more um fundraising and more uh 91 - > financings happening on all levels. 92 - > It started really small going back probably about 18 months 93 - > ago now, where we just saw, you know, some of these life 94 - > offerings happening, and they were kind of the$10 million 95 - > range, and then they started getting upsized and they got 96 - > bigger and bigger, and then we saw some other financings, and 97 - > and now we're seeing these monster financings.
98 - > So the risk appetite and the interest in new companies has 99 - > really evolved here. 100 - > SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh it's so exciting. 101 - > These really big names that we see come to market. 102 - > I think there's they're such a good branding, maybe for 103 - > investing in the markets in general.
104 - > I feel like the SpaceX is on even non-investors' minds. 105 - > So it's always great when we see these big ones. 106 - > You know, the CSC has never gotten off the IPO train. 107 - > We've we've, you know, in good markets and bad, we consistently 108 - > see companies come to us, some smaller than others.
109 - > You know, sometimes we see more in the resource sector. 110 - > But, you know, one thing that we're seeing at the CSC, which 111 - > um is really exciting to me for the first time I've seen in 112 - > quite a long time, is this IPO within the tech sector. 113 - > Wouldn't you say this is a bit of an anomaly to see this much 114 - > tech coming to market? 115 - > SPEAKER_01: Yeah, certainly in the last probably, I would 116 - > almost say decade in Canada.
117 - > Prior to that, you did see, you did see smaller new emerging 118 - > companies that you know were under that billion dollars that 119 - > were coming public in Canada, but it really hasn't, we haven't 120 - > seen that in in probably close to 10 years now. 121 - > It's really been dominated by other sectors. 122 - > So it is great to see because we saw the Canadian market really 123 - > get hollowed out. 124 - > A lot of those companies that you know maybe started as a 25 125 - > or 50 or 100 million dollar company started to grow, and 126 - > then they were getting taken out in that 500 to a billion dollar 127 - > range after they'd been operating and profitable.
128 - > That happened over, you know, probably the last uh, you know, 129 - > going back 10 years to probably going back five years, we saw a 130 - > lot of that hollowing out, and now this is nice because we're 131 - > seeing new technologies emerge. 132 - > Canada has been a you know fairly decent hub for technology 133 - > for sure. 134 - > And now we're getting that um those new companies coming to 135 - > market and it creates amazing opportunities for investors who 136 - > want to dig around and find out what's happening.
137 - > SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, you know, the exciting part from my 138 - > perspective, and and you know, kind of watching companies come 139 - > to market on the CSC is typically we'll see the more 140 - > startup and growth companies that come to our market at the 141 - > CSC. 142 - > The exciting part of that is that they get an opportunity to 143 - > grow, access that public capital by being a public vehicle, um, 144 - > and have the ability to grow kind of as an investor, you get 145 - > to be part of that upside opportunity.
146 - > You know, SpaceX is a little bit more of a uh liquidity exercise, 147 - > wouldn't you say? 148 - > So, you know, it's it's this opportunity when we see these 149 - > growth companies coming to market for investors to get to 150 - > participate in it and for these companies to be able to access 151 - > the public markets, as opposed to the maybe the more 152 - > traditional um, you know, uh uh venture market or private equity 153 - > market um that the uh tech companies would typically um you 154 - > know go down that road for.
155 - > SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean that's the beauty of what we're seeing 156 - > right now is that you know, you think about the SpaceXs or the 157 - > Anthropics or the Open AI, those are these monster private equity 158 - > companies that have been funded privately. 159 - > And it hasn't really allowed most investors the opportunity 160 - > to get involved. 161 - > Whereas if we're seeing um companies coming public on a on 162 - > an exchange like the CSE and they're you know in that smaller 163 - > intermediate size company size-wise or snack bracket, that 164 - > allows investors of of all varieties to get access to it 165 - > because they can invest in those shares publicly.
166 - > Whereas the private equity is really for the let's let's be 167 - > honest, like really for that kind of elite group of of people 168 - > who have access to it. 169 - > So it's it's really great from an investor standpoint because 170 - > it just gives you more access to to uh to and to different 171 - > investment ideas and uh different different sectors as 172 - > well. 173 - > SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. 174 - > Um, you know, I I want to just kind of ask you one more 175 - > question on this before we move along, is you talk about some of 176 - > the IPOs that are coming out of the states.
177 - > One thing I noticed when we were taking a look at some of the 178 - > financings on the CSC specifically, over the past six 179 - > months, I'd say there's some really big uh financings that 180 - > are happening to our issuers from across the border. 181 - > So we're certainly not seeing a loss of sentiment from US 182 - > investors coming up to Canada. 183 - > Is that something you're seeing as well? 184 - > SPEAKER_01: It sure is, yeah.
185 - > We, you know, if you go back again 24 months ago, we were 186 - > just kind of this island all left by our own on our own. 187 - > And if we were doing any financings, it was really, you 188 - > know, Canadian-centric. 189 - > And now we are seeing that where a lot of companies that are 190 - > doing financings, they're doing them, you know, publicly, and 191 - > you're seeing access um from US investors. 192 - > But they're also you're seeing, you know, a number of private 193 - > placements that are happening where the investors are US 194 - > investors into a public company in Canada, but they're doing it 195 - > on a private basis as US investors, which is great to see 196 - > as well.
197 - > SPEAKER_02: I love this. 198 - > I love this. 199 - > Okay. 200 - > Now, on the note of all of this amazing stuff coming to market, 201 - > it doesn't mean that we're not experiencing some notable spike 202 - > in volatility.
203 - > Um, so when you look at these types of events, historically, 204 - > what should investors be paying attention to as the market moves 205 - > forward? 206 - > What does this volatility tell you? 207 - > SPEAKER_01: I mean, we we haven't really seen something 208 - > like this happen before. 209 - > And so as a result, and when I say that, I'm talking about the 210 - > size of the IPOs.
211 - > So for instance, SpaceX is good, SpaceX is going to be the 212 - > biggest in history to date. 213 - > There, you know, potentially could be a bigger one down the 214 - > road, but you know, maybe we have to wait for that. 215 - > But when you see that happen, there's been a bunch of 216 - > volatility created, specifically in the technology sector, around 217 - > that, because now you have investors who are trying to fund 218 - > their investment into SpaceX. 219 - > So when they announce that they're going public and then 220 - > they start pricing it and they start putting out allocations, 221 - > well, then at that point in time, investors need to take 222 - > capital and put it into SpaceX.
223 - > And maybe they have the capital sitting aside in in cash, but a 224 - > lot of times they don't. 225 - > So it means they have to liquidate something else to move 226 - > into SpaceX. 227 - > And with the massive size that they're that they're doing and 228 - > and the raise, it really um it really creates more volatility 229 - > because you have people who are trading out of different stocks 230 - > to raise and that money to go into these different IPOs. 231 - > Historically, when we've seen this type of volatility, like 232 - > again, we're recording this just before the SpaceX is um is going 233 - > public, and we've seen a few days where the volatility index 234 - > has had this these massive spikes up where they're you know 235 - > 20, 30 percent higher on a day.
236 - > And that historically, you know, has been um a long-term positive 237 - > for markets. 238 - > You don't tend to see that volatility spike up and stay up. 239 - > It tends to spike up, it stays there for a little while, and 240 - > then when it subsides, that's when the markets really start to 241 - > move. 242 - > So if you look at the shorter term, anywhere, you know, from 243 - > one week to probably two months, it's it's always kind of you 244 - > know, just pure guessing to know where the market's gonna go 245 - > because you know so many factors come into play.
246 - > But if you look at the longer term, sort of six months, year 247 - > out from those volatility spikes, they tend to be really 248 - > good for returns. 249 - > SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay, good to know. 250 - > Um, I I don't know if you know this number, but how much is 251 - > SpaceX raising as part of their IPO? 252 - > SPEAKER_01: It's not a lot of total dollars, like in relation 253 - > to their IPO size.
254 - > So they're they're um they're they're um gonna value it at 1.8 255 - > trillion and they're raising, and I know when I say this 256 - > number, it's gonna sound ridiculous that I just said it 257 - > wasn't a big number, but they're raising, I think, around 75 258 - > billion is what they targeted, but it's oversubscribed, so they 259 - > probably take more than that, would be my guess. 260 - > So I mean that's pretty big. 261 - > And then if you look at some of the other things that have 262 - > happened, you know, Google's announced that they're gonna 263 - > raise around 80 billion.
264 - > We have anthropic and open AI, which probably come in around 265 - > the same range, maybe more. 266 - > You're looking at half a trillion dollars probably with 267 - > those four companies alone. 268 - > Uh, we talk about these trillion dollar companies, but still, you 269 - > know,$500 billion is a lot of money. 270 - > And, you know, so that's um, you know, that has an impact on the 271 - > markets for sure.
272 - > SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. 273 - > And I think just to remind our audience, you know, a lot of 274 - > that money, especially these types of IPOs, they're gonna be 275 - > a little bit more um later stage investors. 276 - > They're gonna be funds that are are a bit more um traditional 277 - > and senior. 278 - > And so when they're removing, when they're wanting to invest 279 - > in the tech sector, they're gonna be rebalancing the 280 - > portfolio.
281 - > So they're probably gonna sell from the tech sector to buy in 282 - > the tech sector. 283 - > So as you were explaining before, that's where perhaps a 284 - > lot of this volatility is coming from because they're not just 285 - > going to necessarily take their cash allotment or something from 286 - > the resource or energy. 287 - > They're probably going to be moving funds around within the 288 - > asset allocation that they currently have specifically for 289 - > tech, right?
290 - > SPEAKER_01: Yeah, especially given the performance that we've 291 - > seen in the tech sector. 292 - > You know, it has really been performing for the last three 293 - > years. 294 - > So most investors probably have gains embedded in there. 295 - > They also probably have uh, you know, a fairly good exposure to 296 - > that sector as the performance has been strong.
297 - > And if they held their position or even trimmed their position, 298 - > it's growing in size. 299 - > So they, you know, typically are harvesting from that area so 300 - > that they don't get overexposed to the technology sector. 301 - > SPEAKER_02: Awesome. 302 - > Well, um, all of this is very exciting to me, and I do love to 303 - > see it.
304 - > Do you think that there's um, you know, not that you'd have 305 - > data on this, but do you think there's also an added interest 306 - > in the space just because maybe the the next generation of 307 - > investor understands the tech sector a little bit differently 308 - > and they're a bit more engaged with it? 309 - > I mean, we I feel like we're always struggling to engage a 310 - > younger audience to the mining and resource sector, but do you 311 - > think there's a more natural fit and interest from an investor 312 - > that's perhaps younger to the tech side?
313 - > SPEAKER_01: I would agree 100% that that's the case. 314 - > You know, if you look at our kids or um anyone that, you 315 - > know, is sort of under the age of probably 80 years old, they 316 - > adopt tech way more than someone who over was over that age and 317 - > they understand it. 318 - > Maybe not every single piece of it, but they use it extensively 319 - > in their life. 320 - > It's not that we don't use commodities in our life, but we 321 - > probably just second nature it in that you know, we don't think 322 - > about you know what what's involved with the raw materials 323 - > that were needed for the production of um certain 324 - > products that we use.
325 - > But technology, we see it, plus it evolves and it has, you know, 326 - > as it evolves, it catches people's interest. 327 - > So you think back to this whole AI five years ago, most of us 328 - > really kind of weren't too aware of what impact AI would 329 - > eventually have. 330 - > We, of course, saw the science fiction movies that that talked 331 - > about it, but we didn't know what it would do for us in our 332 - > life. 333 - > And now, as those technologies come on board, if you're again a 334 - > younger, you know, generation investor, you adopt those 335 - > technologies quickly and you understand them.
336 - > And then that you know piques your interest to invest where 337 - > you like to go. 338 - > It's the Peter Lynch analogy, right? 339 - > Like invest in what you know. 340 - > SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
341 - > Absolutely. 342 - > Okay, um, moving along, um, we haven't talked as I think we 343 - > always touched on this a bit, but we haven't talked as much 344 - > about it um in a while. 345 - > There was a period of time, it's all we talked about, but uh 346 - > let's let's break down what we're seeing in inflation and 347 - > interest rates um and and earnings. 348 - > So let's just talk about what you're seeing there and and how 349 - > that's affecting the market.
350 - > SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so just over the last um you know, four or 351 - > five months, we've seen a move back up in inflation. 352 - > And uh part of that's clearly been caused by what's happened 353 - > with oil prices due to the conflict in in um in the Middle 354 - > East, and that's you know driven driven inflation higher. 355 - > As that inflation's been driven higher, we've seen interest 356 - > rates moving higher as well. 357 - > Higher interest rates have historically been harder on 358 - > commodities than not.
359 - > I mean, there's certainly commodities that that uh track 360 - > inflation, but as a result, we have seen just over the last 361 - > three months here now, we've seen a little bit more pressure 362 - > on gold and silver, something that if we go back a year ago or 363 - > even to February probably wasn't something that we were talking 364 - > about at all. 365 - > And then we've also seen some acceleration in um the price of 366 - > copper and some of the other base metals as that inflation 367 - > has happened and there's you know continual rollout in tech, 368 - > those products are those commodities are needed, and 369 - > we've seen inflation pushing up the price to actually produce 370 - > those commodities.
371 - > So we've seen that uh happen. 372 - > So we've a bit of a a seesaw here with uh with what we've 373 - > seen from commodity prices. 374 - > So some of the ones that were leading have you know taken a 375 - > back seat, and some of the ones that were lagging are now in the 376 - > driver's seat. 377 - > SPEAKER_02: I mean, to me, it seems nice to to see things uh 378 - > you know funneling through and everyone getting a moment to to 379 - > shine, you know, where um uh I mean I just I'm amazed at what 380 - > we've seen in the resource sector on the on the um uh uh 381 - > CSC side of things.
382 - > We've been seeing this kind of momentum for some time. 383 - > And you kind of come up to PDAC as part of the year and you kind 384 - > of expect that momentum. 385 - > Um you see a lot of capital raising. 386 - > We saw some really good oversubscribed um financings 387 - > that were done within the resource sector, but it seems to 388 - > keep going, um, which is nice to see.
389 - > And is that something that you expect? 390 - > SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, we have to bring it all back into 391 - > perspective, right? 392 - > You know, when I talk about gold being down, you know, topped out 393 - > at$5,500 an ounce, and it's you know, kind of in that low 4,000s 394 - > now, but where was it a few years ago? 395 - > You know, it was in the two, it had a two at the very front.
396 - > So projects that were nowhere near being economic before now 397 - > are, and with the capital markets open, it really provides 398 - > a stimulus for projects to be done and uh and a lot more 399 - > economics in uh in some of the projects that have sort of 400 - > higher commodity prices as far as pulling them out of the 401 - > ground. 402 - > SPEAKER_02: I was speaking to an issuer actually just last week, 403 - > and they were talking about their project, which um, you 404 - > know, the last time it was uh the last time it was in 405 - > operations um is when gold prices were at 400.
406 - > So the the economics of that project, you know, they made 407 - > sense and then they stopped when when they when the price of gold 408 - > was at 400, the economics just weren't there for them to keep 409 - > moving forward. 410 - > So now I think there's a lot of projects out there where people 411 - > are starting to pay attention to them again, going, well, at 412 - > $4,000, the economics um are certainly there. 413 - > So there's some opportunity of maybe some projects that were 414 - > sleeping for a little while that uh are coming back to life.
415 - > SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I mean that's what I see. 416 - > When you go through slide decks or presentations from companies, 417 - > a lot of them have their resource estimates based on a 418 - > lot lower um commodity prices. 419 - > And I'm not saying that that's not built into the stock price, 420 - > the higher commodity prices, but you know, when you look at just 421 - > the pure economics of what they thought was feasible to go 422 - > through the capital raise project and build, you know, 423 - > production facilities, it was at a lot lower prices.
424 - > And now that those numbers are higher, it just means stronger 425 - > economics and then stronger cash flow for the investors once they 426 - > get to the place of production. 427 - > SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, look, there's also um pulling that 428 - > gold out is a lot more expensive than it used to be as well. 429 - > But uh there certainly is seems to be some opportunity there. 430 - > Um on that note, um, I wanted to ask you about some small, you've 431 - > kind of noticed some shift in small cap stocks, uh, that 432 - > they've had some encouraging performances.
433 - > Um, and as we move into the second after half of the year, 434 - > where do you see the greatest opportunities emerging within 435 - > the small cap space? 436 - > SPEAKER_01: We continue to see really strong earnings across 437 - > the board in small cap. 438 - > And again, going back to just a little bit under a year ago now, 439 - > we started to see that trend emerging. 440 - > So coming through the second quarter of 2025 was when we 441 - > started to see earnings numbers increasing on mass in smaller 442 - > companies.
443 - > We had seen it in the large companies before that, and now, 444 - > and then we started to see it in the smaller companies. 445 - > And the market and investors really started to take note of 446 - > that going into the fourth quarter of 2025, and that's when 447 - > you know, if you turned you tuned into the media, they were 448 - > talking about oh, these small caps are really moving, the 449 - > small cap performance, and that didn't shouldn't really come as 450 - > a surprise, and it didn't surprise us because we'd saw 451 - > those earnings trends coming through the first quarter.
452 - > We continue to see those earnings trends, and then even 453 - > with all of the crosswinds of everything that's happening 454 - > globally, economically, we continue to see those numbers 455 - > strong. 456 - > So it wouldn't be a shocker that as long as the economy continues 457 - > to stay together, that we continue to see a pickup in 458 - > those earnings, and then that's going to drive share prices, and 459 - > then you know, even a big small cap investors are always looking 460 - > for rotation, so they're rotating out of that big small 461 - > cap into a medium-sized small cap or a smaller small cap.
462 - > SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I think too when the markets um when 463 - > we're experiencing this type of movement in the markets, 464 - > investors get to be a little pickier. 465 - > So uh good fundamentals become more and more important when you 466 - > say. 467 - > SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, a hundred percent. 468 - > Uh, you know, there's always as you as the cycle gets extended, 469 - > the fundamentals become more important because to start with, 470 - > off the bottom, people are just looking at kind of the blue sky 471 - > opportunity.
472 - > And then as the stock price catches up to that blue sky 473 - > opportunity, then the fundamentals become, you know, 474 - > more critical to see really who's gonna outperform and who's 475 - > gonna just you know match what's happening with the market. 476 - > SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. 477 - > Okay, Bruce, on that note, um, before I get to see you in 478 - > person next month, what what can we think about going into the 479 - > next month of investing? 480 - > You know, we're approaching summer, um, which tends to be a 481 - > little bit of a slower period, although I think some years have 482 - > proven us wrong.
483 - > But uh, what are your thoughts going into the rest of June and 484 - > early July? 485 - > SPEAKER_01: I mean, one of the areas that we're really watching 486 - > in the next few months is what kind of rotation we could 487 - > possibly see. 488 - > And that might actually be led by some of the things that we've 489 - > talked about, both on the IPO side, but also on the commodity 490 - > side and on the earnings side. 491 - > And so it's there there really is potential, and we can we can 492 - > kind of see where there's an opportunity for there to be 493 - > significant sector rotation here that might start sometime this 494 - > summer.
495 - > Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but you always want to 496 - > be cognizant of what's changing and where the earnings trend's 497 - > coming from. 498 - > SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. 499 - > And that's why we get professional guidance so that we 500 - > can have experts like you help us watch out for those. 501 - > Um, Bruce, it's always a pleasure to chat with you, and I 502 - > really do look forward to seeing you in person next month.
503 - > Um uh, you know, until then, I hope you have a wonderful start 504 - > to the summer, and uh, we'll chat soon. 505 - > SPEAKER_01: Yeah, have a great uh have a great start to your 506 - > summer as well. 507 - > SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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