Hebrews 9 And The Leadership Lesson Behind The Tabernacle

1 - > SPEAKER_04: Oh no. 2 - > SPEAKER_03: All righty. 3 - > Welcome, welcome, welcome. 4 - > Oh, Tim, you're so funny.

5 - > SPEAKER_00: Maybe for uh, you know, show one or two hundred, I 6 - > can come up with a new opening. 7 - > I don't know. 8 - > Maybe one fifty. 9 - > SPEAKER_04: Today's episode one hundred and twenty-five.

10 - > We have reached a milestone. 11 - > SPEAKER_00: Milestone, exactly right. 12 - > SPEAKER_04: That is fantastic. 13 - > I just think it's fantastic.

14 - > SPEAKER_00: I haven't even looked lately to see how many 15 - > countries we're in. 16 - > So we have to double check that. 17 - > SPEAKER_04: We'll do that. 18 - > unknown: I don't know.

19 - > SPEAKER_04: God's just uh expanding the audience. 20 - > SPEAKER_00: It is. 21 - > I mean, I don't know how these I mean, we must have like five 22 - > people traveling around that they're million dollars on uh 23 - > Delta American or something. 24 - > So they're just traveling around downloading it to beef up our 25 - > stuff or for every person who listens.

26 - > SPEAKER_04: So those of you who are joining us, yeah, 100%. 27 - > Um on a regular basis, thank you so much. 28 - > And for those of you who are joining us for the very first 29 - > time, thank you for finding us on the dial and on the podcast 30 - > world. 31 - > Yeah, uh, yeah, I know there's lots of podcasts out there you 32 - > could listen to, so thank you for listening to us.

33 - > Um, I am Dr. 34 - > Dean Posey. 35 - > With me is Mr. 36 - > Tim Lance for Tim, and so we've been doing this uh gosh, almost 37 - > three years.

38 - > Yeah, episode 125 today. 39 - > And if you're not familiar with the Biblical Leadership Show, 40 - > let me give you, you can go on our website, biblical leadership 41 - > show.com, and find out a lot about us. 42 - > But let me just give you a brief synopsis.

43 - > So we have um been talking about biblical topics uh since the 44 - > inception, the last two years. 45 - > Uh well, this August will be two years. 46 - > Um that uh and that's actually like uh almost a month and a 47 - > half from now. 48 - > Um we have been going through the Bible book by book.

49 - > Um some books take a little longer than others, but uh in 50 - > all the books or chapters, we talk about the leadership 51 - > principles from those books. 52 - > And so we start in Genesis in August of 2024. 53 - > We're now in the book of Hebrews in the New Testament. 54 - > Uh, we've been on this book for this will be week number five, 55 - > and we're in chapter nine.

56 - > Uh there's a lot of deep stuff about leadership in this 57 - > chapter, so we'll probably just do one chapter today. 58 - > Um, and so we talk a little bit about the Bible, we talk a 59 - > little bit about leadership, and then we throw in some dad jokes. 60 - > Yeah, so here's let's start out with some dad jokes. 61 - > What did one magnet say to the other magnet?

62 - > SPEAKER_00: You're irresistible. 63 - > SPEAKER_04: I find you very attractive. 64 - > SPEAKER_00: Attractive, that's what it was. 65 - > It's like I've heard this one for you.

66 - > SPEAKER_04: Okay, so what do you call a sleeping bull? 67 - > How about a bulldozer? 68 - > SPEAKER_00: Ooh, that one's tough. 69 - > Yeah, that one's tough.

70 - > Okay. 71 - > I was I I had everything in my head except for that. 72 - > SPEAKER_03: Okay. 73 - > All right.

74 - > SPEAKER_04: Well. 75 - > Um Okay, so what do you call a I mean, when I was coming to the 76 - > studio today, it was pouring down rain. 77 - > I mean, just pouring. 78 - > So I what do you call a bear caught in the rain?

79 - > I don't know. 80 - > A drizzly bear. 81 - > SPEAKER_00: I was thinking today was uh, you know, one of my my 82 - > good friends um from way back when in college. 83 - > Uh it's her birthday today.

84 - > So I don't know that she listens to the show or not, but uh um, 85 - > you know, what do you call a a person uh named Cindy? 86 - > SPEAKER_04: Cindy? 87 - > Cindy it's her birthday. 88 - > So it's her birthday, haven't you?

89 - > So that just reminds me. 90 - > Uh I have a I'm a part of a little band called the Jam 91 - > Buddies. 92 - > Woohoo! Yeah.

93 - > And um yeah, it's great. 94 - > Uh we've been uh playing together since last like August. 95 - > Um and it's like a garage band, but we had our first official uh 96 - > gig on on Saturday night. 97 - > We played for a birthday party.

98 - > One of our band members' wives had a birthday, so we went over 99 - > to their house and just had a delightful evening. 100 - > A lot of people there. 101 - > Um taco truck was there. 102 - > So we had some tacos.

103 - > SPEAKER_00: Did you peanut butter? 104 - > SPEAKER_04: Uh peanut butter, what? 105 - > SPEAKER_00: Did you have any peanut butter? 106 - > SPEAKER_04: No, with that jam, the peanut butter and jelly jam.

107 - > Is that what you're talking about? 108 - > That's it. 109 - > So um we had some tacos and we played some music, and uh then 110 - > we had some cake. 111 - > Uh it was just a lot of fun.

112 - > It was just a lot of fun. 113 - > Yeah, it was a lot of fun. 114 - > Speaking of birthday, so um, I'm sure some of you have to have 115 - > you set up here, you know. 116 - > SPEAKER_00: We'll have to have a party.

117 - > We have parties here from time to time at the studio. 118 - > SPEAKER_04: So here's the thing, and some of you can relate to 119 - > this, and we'll we'll we'll talk about this one thing, then we'll 120 - > get on to the Bible. 121 - > Okay. 122 - > So some of you have a job that is so cool that if you do your 123 - > job really well, you get to do other people's jobs too.

124 - > And that's not a joke. 125 - > That is some of you can definitely relate to that, 126 - > right? 127 - > Oh, well, let's um Okay, you know, I my wife asked me to go 128 - > the after I leave the studio today to go to the grocery 129 - > store, which I'm glad to do. 130 - > You know, she made out a list.

131 - > She said, Oh, could you put some ketchup on that list? 132 - > And I now I get can't even read it. 133 - > Oh boy. 134 - > SPEAKER_00: Let's get to the screen.

135 - > But I'll leave it alone. 136 - > Okay. 137 - > All right, Hebrews 9. 138 - > Yeah.

139 - > Hebrews 9. 140 - > We uh big chapter. 141 - > Big chapter, actually, right? 142 - > It's um yeah, showing us something, you know, you know, 143 - > it talks a little bit about the temporary, the eternal, it talks 144 - > about outward and in inward cleansing.

145 - > It gets into a lot of different things than this. 146 - > How did you interpret this, Mr. 147 - > Uh knowing more about the Bible than me? 148 - > But uh yeah.

149 - > SPEAKER_04: Well, I I think uh we're talking about, like you 150 - > said, temporary and eternal, and and what does transformation 151 - > really look like? 152 - > SPEAKER_00: Right. 153 - > SPEAKER_04: Uh what does that actually mean? 154 - > Um and uh are we just maintaining a system that's been 155 - > we're inheriting?

156 - > Um are we actually trying to transform uh not just what we 157 - > do, because you might be doing the same thing, um, but 158 - > sometimes you need to transform people's minds or hearts as to 159 - > why we're doing it. 160 - > Um and that is good leadership. 161 - > SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and and you know, one of the biggest things 162 - > I learned something in here. 163 - > I I sort of knew it, but I really didn't really had never 164 - > thought about.

165 - > Yeah. 166 - > Because this gets in the tabernacle. 167 - > SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the tabernacle. 168 - > SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay, what's I had to Google 169 - > what's the difference between a tabernacle and a temple.

170 - > And and I thought I you've heard the word a lot and I've heard 171 - > what it meant, but I really never went down a deep rabbit 172 - > hole, which it sent me down a deep rabbit hole. 173 - > SPEAKER_04: Well, that's good because I think it's important 174 - > to understand the temple and and um so I did a little study on 175 - > this earlier in the year about the uh tabernacle, and so God 176 - > gave the dimensions and all the specifications to Moses um while 177 - > they were in the wilderness, and so they built the first 178 - > tabernacle there as they were wandering in the wilderness.

179 - > Um, and a tabernacle was temporary, maybe it was made out 180 - > of you know certain uh skins of you know animals, and uh, but it 181 - > had the it had a courtyard, it had a holy place, and it had a 182 - > most holy place. 183 - > And so those of you who are familiar with the uh Indiana 184 - > Jones first movie, The Raiders of the Lost Ark, uh the Ark of 185 - > the Covenant was actually in the most holy place, which was a you 186 - > know a small room that uh the high priest would go in.

187 - > And in the in that room uh was the most holy of places, and 188 - > there was a a box called the Ark of the Covenant that was uh made 189 - > out of wood but lined with gold. 190 - > And on the on the top, the box was actually called the Ark of 191 - > the Covenant. 192 - > The top, the lid of it was called the Mercy Seat, and on 193 - > the top of that box was two angels with their wings pointed 194 - > together, and that's where they believe God resided, there in on 195 - > that space, and so very uh significantly important for the 196 - > Jewish people, and um and so the the tabernacle uh was you know, 197 - > God gave the tabernacle instructions to Moses, the 198 - > people created all of that.

199 - > Um and uh the tabernacle it moved around, that was the whole 200 - > point of it as they were wandering through the desert. 201 - > And then even after they got into the promised land, it moved 202 - > several locations several times. 203 - > But the tabernacle was used for over 450 years. 204 - > Which is yeah, that's longer than our country's been a 205 - > country, you know.

206 - > Right. 207 - > SPEAKER_00: Um, we're going into Fourth of July weekend this 208 - > weekend, but we'll talk about it. 209 - > SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but you think about the settlement at 210 - > Jamestown, 1609, I think it was. 211 - > Um, that's that's longer than that.

212 - > Uh so the tabernacle was used for generations after 213 - > generations until the reign of Solomon. 214 - > And King David wanted to build a temple, but God said, No, your 215 - > son's gonna build it. 216 - > So Solomon built a temple and it was absolutely magnificent. 217 - > That was around 960 BC.

218 - > That temple was around until uh the Babylonians destroyed it in 219 - > 586. 220 - > So the difference between those two is a temple is permanent. 221 - > Permanent location, a tabernacle was temporary. 222 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was pretty uh pretty unique.

223 - > I sort of knew a little bit about it, but uh I hadn't went 224 - > down through sort of uh what you sort of explained, uh, you know, 225 - > the different uh structure and and the sacred patterns and all 226 - > that stuff and and and uh of the courts and the holy space, the 227 - > most holy space place and all that stuff. 228 - > I thought that was uh that was interesting. 229 - > SPEAKER_04: So and if you look at the if you read you know the 230 - > the book of Exodus um and and the rest of the the first five 231 - > books of the Torah of the Old Testament, uh there's some very, 232 - > very specific uh details about what God wanted the tabernacle 233 - > and the furnishings of the tabernacle to look like.

234 - > There wasn't just some oh go build this tent and this is what 235 - > you're gonna do. 236 - > No. 237 - > It's this is what I did some research on, and I couldn't find 238 - > an answer. 239 - > So if any of our listeners know the answer, I'd love to know it.

240 - > So you had uh the Ark of the Covenant, and then you had the 241 - > table of incense, and you had the table of the showbread. 242 - > Um and and but those had to be carried with you couldn't touch 243 - > the tabernacle, okay? 244 - > Right they covered it, but you couldn't touch it. 245 - > And so, but there were there were rings on the side of the of 246 - > the Ark of the Covenant and the table of incense and the 247 - > showbread table.

248 - > Um so a pole could be put through these rings on both 249 - > sides, and then the priest would carry them. 250 - > Um and there's so much detail about how big and wide and tall 251 - > the covenant should, I mean the Ark of the Covenant, the table, 252 - > the incense table, the table, showbread table, all that should 253 - > be, except there's one thing that's uh fascinating to me, and 254 - > I didn't realize it until this spring, and that is God does not 255 - > give the dimensions, the length of the poles that carry the Ark 256 - > of the Covenant or the other two.

257 - > And I just thought that fascinating. 258 - > I looked, uh I did some research on it, and I could not find the 259 - > length of the polls. 260 - > Obviously, it needed some, you know, the Ark of the Covenant 261 - > was heavy, so I don't know if four priests carried it, eight 262 - > priests carried it. 263 - > Um but uh so if any of our listeners have a insight onto 264 - > the length of those polls, I would love for you to email us 265 - > at biblical leadershipshow.

com and give me your source so I 266 - > could uh know what uh length of those polls are. 267 - > I know it's picky, but I'd love to know uh where you found that 268 - > resource and uh the length of the polls. 269 - > So but here's the thing let's talk about leadership. 270 - > Uh God gave Moses the direction for the the tabernacle, um, even 271 - > though it was gonna be he knew it was gonna be temporary.

272 - > They didn't know it was gonna be temporary, but he knew it was 273 - > gonna be temporary, and gave him very, very specific 274 - > instructions. 275 - > And sometimes leaders need to give their people some very, 276 - > very specific guidelines and instructions. 277 - > Sometimes you can say, hey, just just make this work, or 278 - > sometimes you can say, hey, just whatever you think is best, you 279 - > know, but for certain things you might just say, no, I want it 280 - > done this exact way.

281 - > Um uh you you're a home builder, you've been a custom home 282 - > builder, Tim, for 30 years. 283 - > And if you just said to your carpenters, uh just you know, do 284 - > it whatever you want, and you know, that that angle doesn't 285 - > need to be 90 degrees, make it 87, or this this uh you know top 286 - > plate doesn't need to go all the way over, or the bottom plate 287 - > doesn't, it can be a couple pieces, you know, it doesn't 288 - > really matter. 289 - > The quality of that would be so substandard.

290 - > Uh so when you have uh work, architectural work or whatever, 291 - > there's got to be some very, very specific guidelines that 292 - > are given to the people so they can make it as good as possible. 293 - > SPEAKER_02: Yeah. 294 - > SPEAKER_04: So God was giving them very specific guidelines to 295 - > do it the way that he wanted it to be. 296 - > But here's the thing this was the temporary tabernacle, 297 - > thinking that the the real one, um you know, there was a model 298 - > up in heaven that they were copying um for the one on earth.

299 - > And and so God gave Moses the directions and the the 300 - > dimensions, and the people did all that, and uh some very 301 - > skilled craftsmen uh wove all the fabric and it was just 302 - > incredible, yeah. 303 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's one of the things that we you know 304 - > I've made me think of is you know, everybody has a a 305 - > different thought on things. 306 - > Um, you know, where you know, growing up that um I I was 307 - > trying to think of what it was.

308 - > I was having a a moment over here, like um we we didn't have 309 - > standards, accountability standards and stuff. 310 - > It was all subject to um the person's thought and their 311 - > beliefs a lot of times. 312 - > And and it wasn't from an HR standpoint, it wasn't until you 313 - > know, very late 50s, 60s, that we started establishing 314 - > standards that everybody had to abide by. 315 - > And and but other than that, it was all just opinion, you know.

316 - > Well, that's good enough, you know. 317 - > But and that was the anything, building and and uh company and 318 - > all this stuff. 319 - > It was just, you know, what what was your moral character besides 320 - > this guy's moral character? 321 - > Is it close enough or is it you know not even close?

322 - > And and yeah, there's a lot of stuff, especially when it comes 323 - > to building a house and different things that you can 324 - > cut a lot of corners and and you know it's it's it's it's 325 - > watching over him as a leader. 326 - > SPEAKER_04: So yeah. 327 - > So so I think about the tabernacle. 328 - > Um I think one of the key points is the old system was 329 - > meaningful, but it was not final.

330 - > Um and uh sometimes people think of the temporary as unimportant, 331 - > uh, but that's not what uh the Hebrews is saying. 332 - > It uh I think the Hebrews are saying that the tabernacle 333 - > mattered, sacrifices mattered, the priesthood mattered, um, but 334 - > they were pointing some to something beyond themselves. 335 - > Uh they were signs, they they were not the ultimate substance. 336 - > And and so uh I think one of the things that we can learn from 337 - > leadership is you know, you need to respect the old, but you 338 - > don't need to worship it.

339 - > Uh as someone told me a long time ago, uh the past is a 340 - > guidepost, not a goalpost. 341 - > And so many times we want to go back to the old. 342 - > Um when the old is great, but but with new technology, new 343 - > products, new this, it's like, okay, how can we do what we do 344 - > now better? 345 - > We can follow the old guidelines, we can follow the 346 - > old principles, but how can we make our product now better?

347 - > Yeah, you know, um with everything available to us 348 - > today, how can we make it better? 349 - > Not not cheaper quality, same quality. 350 - > No, no, no, nothing. 351 - > SPEAKER_00: Some of our food out there and all our random stuff, 352 - > you know.

353 - > Just go back to the old recipe, guys. 354 - > You know, why do you need 55 chemicals in there to make it? 355 - > Just go back to the old recipe. 356 - > I I guarantee your sales would go up if you just if they just 357 - > went back, right?

358 - > Raise the price and said this is real food. 359 - > I guarantee I I scratch my head on some of these companies, 360 - > right? 361 - > Because they fight, they fight. 362 - > Oh, we're not gonna do this.

363 - > I'm like, a simple mind shift of okay, we went back to the 364 - > original recipe that you grew up in in the 60s and 70s, buy it. 365 - > We had to raise price by a dollar, but here it is. 366 - > People would buy it in a second, your sales would triple. 367 - > Just think about the bread aisle.

368 - > SPEAKER_04: You go to the store uh in a major, you know, 369 - > supermarket, and you just go down the just go down the bread 370 - > aisle, and there are dozens and dozens of options for bread. 371 - > Yes, and you can buy the cheap loaf for a couple bucks, or you 372 - > can buy what you're saying, the old school recipes. 373 - > Yeah, uh the it's it's pricier, okay? 374 - > It is, but it's a lot healthier.

375 - > It is, and and some, you know, it just depends on what you want 376 - > to spend your money on. 377 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah. 378 - > SPEAKER_04: Um, or as leader, what do you want to spend your 379 - > time on? 380 - > What do you spend your money on?

381 - > SPEAKER_00: It's exactly so you know, and that's one of the 382 - > things that, you know, uh, and you were sort of mentioning it 383 - > right there, you know, is is you know, the systems are great, you 384 - > know, and the the things that we put in place, but it's really 385 - > the mission. 386 - > And I I think back to some of these these companies is you 387 - > know, how how are you um, you know, a lot of things that we do 388 - > serve the mission, but it's not the true mission uh that people 389 - > are really striving for.

390 - > And and you know, uh I always tell people it's uh and I 391 - > mentioned it so many times, I even hate to say it, but almost 392 - > every every seminar I do, and that's a lot per year, I ask 393 - > people, do they know their mission statement? 394 - > And literally out of 50 people, one might raise their hand. 395 - > And they don't know it, they just know a few words in it, 396 - > which I said, that's good enough. 397 - > That's close enough.

398 - > At least you know that it's there. 399 - > And people just don't don't really put that in place, and it 400 - > just drives me crazy. 401 - > SPEAKER_04: I've seen some mission statements sort of like 402 - > a paragraph long. 403 - > How how can you memorize that?

404 - > You know, uh 10 words or less. 405 - > What's your what are what's your why? 406 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, yeah. 407 - > I I one we went to and prominent um equipment manufacturer in the 408 - > construction industry, and we were there and they had a bronze 409 - > plaque on the back of the room.

410 - > It was literally six foot four, because I looked at it in the 411 - > eyes, and it was literally words all the way down. 412 - > Um, that was their mission statement. 413 - > I'm like, no, you know, we got it. 414 - > Let's and we rewrote it in class.

415 - > I was like, probably would have gotten in trouble, but I said, 416 - > let's let's rewrite it down to uh you know a one sentence, 417 - > maybe two sentences. 418 - > And we rewrote it. 419 - > I'm like, here's the thing are is are they gonna get mad that 420 - > you rewrote it or are they gonna get uh excited that you actually 421 - > knew what it was? 422 - > What's the mission statement?

423 - > I don't know. 424 - > Compared to, well, I don't know exactly, but I know that it 425 - > involves this, this, and this. 426 - > Your leader, that's gonna come off a whole lot better. 427 - > I always tell people you need to you need to you need to memorize 428 - > that.

429 - > You need to know what it is. 430 - > SPEAKER_04: And so, you know, the the meetings we go to is not 431 - > the mission, the uh the uh the title you have is not the 432 - > mission. 433 - > Um and and so that's really good. 434 - > And so the the thing about it is the the let's talk about the 435 - > tabernacle again.

436 - > SPEAKER_02: Yeah. 437 - > SPEAKER_04: One of the purposes of the tabernacle was to draw 438 - > people closer to God. 439 - > Now, not everybody could go into the tabernacle itself. 440 - > You know, the priest could go in.

441 - > There were two rooms in the tabernacle. 442 - > One's called the holy place. 443 - > That's where you had the lampstand and the table of 444 - > incense and the show bread table. 445 - > That was where the priest could go into.

446 - > But then there was a separate room beyond all of that that was 447 - > called the Holy of Holies. 448 - > And there was a a curtain between the two. 449 - > And inside that second room was the Ark of the Covenant. 450 - > And the high priest could go in there once a year.

451 - > That's a whole lesson in itself, which is exciting and great 452 - > listen. 453 - > But the point that I think one of the points God was making is 454 - > this is not the end. 455 - > This is pointing you to something that's going to be 456 - > greater. 457 - > And that's what I think in the book of Hebrews, chapter 9, the 458 - > writer's talking about there's something greater than even the 459 - > tabernacle, even the Old Testament covenant.

460 - > And that greater is a person named Jesus. 461 - > And so in chapter 9, uh really verses uh 11 through 14, uh, 462 - > there's the words once for all. 463 - > And uh the old sacrifices of the animal sacrifices were repeated 464 - > because they were temporary. 465 - > But Christ's sacrifice, and we talked about this last week, was 466 - > one time sufficient for all sin.

467 - > Um and I had a I had a thought when we're when I was doing some 468 - > research on that. 469 - > We read in the Bible that uh about guilt. 470 - > And there's really two times of two types of guilt. 471 - > Okay.

472 - > One is you feel guilty because you you did something wrong and 473 - > you know it. 474 - > The other type of guilt is you feel guilty because you got 475 - > caught. 476 - > Now, if you just you just feel guilty because you got caught, 477 - > then you don't really see any need for forgiveness. 478 - > SPEAKER_00: Right.

479 - > SPEAKER_04: But if you realize no, what I did was wrong, then 480 - > you think, oh, I need to forgiveness. 481 - > I need to restore that relationship. 482 - > And and so just think about that with you as a leader or your 483 - > employees or your co-workers. 484 - > Uh guilt's the same way.

485 - > If someone did something wrong and they acknowledge it, okay, 486 - > then the question is, how does a leader deal with that issue? 487 - > Um some people get fired over an issue like that, some people get 488 - > a second chance. 489 - > Each leader has to decide for him or herself what how they're 490 - > gonna respond to that. 491 - > But if you just guilty because you got caught at something, um 492 - > uh then that's a totally different um issue that leaders 493 - > need to deal with.

494 - > So, so if you're a leader and um you have you're gonna have uh 495 - > some of your employees or co-workers make mistakes or make 496 - > a bad decision, and the question is, how are you gonna deal with 497 - > that? 498 - > Well, ultimately God dealt with that through the Jesus of dying 499 - > on the cross and being raised again for forgiveness and the 500 - > gift of eternal life. 501 - > But I think leaders have to realize, okay, mistakes are 502 - > gonna get made.

503 - > Some are innocent, you know, you agree on something and it just 504 - > doesn't work. 505 - > Um and okay, we all made a mistake. 506 - > We just didn't we just didn't think that through. 507 - > We need more reason, whatever.

508 - > Um but a good leader, um, you know, like we talked about last 509 - > week with my broken rib on my bicycle accident, you you 510 - > diagnose the issue and then you address the problem. 511 - > SPEAKER_00: So um let's let's talk about you. 512 - > We've mentioned uh the sacrifices on the thing. 513 - > SPEAKER_04: Yeah.

514 - > SPEAKER_00: Did they did that just come up because it was in 515 - > the old testament and they they said do this and and everybody 516 - > followed how how Yeah God said this is the this is what we this 517 - > is what I need you to do for for your sin. 518 - > SPEAKER_04: There's so many different types of of sacrifice. 519 - > There's a sin offering, a guilt offering, a fellowship offering. 520 - > Some were animals and some was grain.

521 - > Okay. 522 - > And there was a certain requirement for each one. 523 - > Um uh, you know, and some were done daily, some were done 524 - > yearly, so you know, like the Day of Atonement or things like 525 - > that. 526 - > So it in order to understand the sacrificial system, um the you 527 - > have to really study those books, the first five books.

528 - > Um, and uh really Exodus through do well, Exodus, Leviticus, and 529 - > Numbers, really. 530 - > But Exodus and Leviticus are the two that really focus on that 531 - > and the role of the priests, the role of the people, and all 532 - > those kind of things for the sacrificial. 533 - > And what do you do when you've sinned against another person? 534 - > Uh, how do you rectify that?

535 - > How do you, you know, it was a temporary thing to wash away 536 - > your sin. 537 - > But uh the writer Hebrew is saying, okay, that system was 538 - > there for a purpose, but it wasn't permanent. 539 - > You always had to come back again with another sacrifice. 540 - > SPEAKER_00: Um Did they feast on these after the sacrifice?

541 - > SPEAKER_04: The priests would get some of them where they 542 - > would just, you know, burn the animal, but the priest would get 543 - > some of the meat, and that's what they would use uh for their 544 - > sustenance. 545 - > Okay. 546 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah. 547 - > I was just sort of curious, you know, and and and then when did 548 - > it hit a point where it just stopped?

549 - > And then I'm curious. 550 - > I've always been curious about a few of these things. 551 - > That's a great question. 552 - > And I have my own personal uh, you know, uh, you know, 553 - > consultant here in the studio with me.

554 - > So I'm asking questions. 555 - > The people want to know. 556 - > SPEAKER_04: They do want to know, and it's a great question. 557 - > Um, so here's the thing.

558 - > So the the sacrificial the sacrificial system started when 559 - > the people were in the wilderness with uh the 560 - > tabernacle. 561 - > SPEAKER_02: Okay. 562 - > SPEAKER_04: Uh and it it that was around for 450 years, and 563 - > then you have Solomon's temple that was built in 960 or around 564 - > finished around that time, um, around 960 BC. 565 - > Uh the Babylonians uh came in um in 586 BC and literally 566 - > destroyed the whole city of Jerusalem.

567 - > I mean, just tore down the temple, took all the gold. 568 - > Uh, and and so the question that some people might ask is okay, 569 - > is that where the Ark of the Covenant went? 570 - > Is to Babylon. 571 - > SPEAKER_02: Right.

572 - > SPEAKER_04: But we don't know. 573 - > It would be maybe the most incredible archaeological find 574 - > if someone ever actually found the original Ark of the 575 - > Covenant. 576 - > I you know, um uh unless you discovered the real Noah's Ark. 577 - > I mean, those two things are just fascinating.

578 - > SPEAKER_00: It's not very big, it's like three foot. 579 - > It's two foot. 580 - > I mean, something it's it's very small. 581 - > SPEAKER_04: Yeah, two cubits, three, two cubits long, which 582 - > would mean you know, 36 inches long, 18 inches wide, and 18 583 - > inches tall.

584 - > So it's not very big, but it was very, very powerful. 585 - > There were certain things that were kept inside of it, and uh 586 - > very but very meaningful because uh the priests would take it out 587 - > uh before battle because it represented the presence of God, 588 - > and uh they felt just like God was with them in battle. 589 - > Uh, we read sometimes that mistakes were made and the enemy 590 - > got the ark, you know, and things happened because of that. 591 - > But uh so that but the sacrificial system was there 592 - > until you had um uh the Babylonian uh destroy destroying 593 - > of the temple in 586 BC.

594 - > So they literally destroyed it and the people were deported to 595 - > Babylon. 596 - > Not everybody, but there was no temple anymore, there was no 597 - > tabernacle anymore, there was no altar anymore, it was all gone. 598 - > Uh and so when they came back and built the the smaller temple 599 - > after after they came back around 539 BC, um, then that 600 - > started again. 601 - > And so when we see um uh up in Jesus' time, there was Herod's 602 - > temple, as it's called, and the sacrificial system was in full 603 - > bore.

604 - > I mean, it was fully going again uh until 70 AD, the Romans came 605 - > in and destroyed the city of Jerusalem. 606 - > And that's basically when the sacrificial system stopped, it 607 - > was in 70 AD. 608 - > Yeah. 609 - > Because they just those like the Babylonians, they literally just 610 - > destroyed the whole city.

611 - > They tore down the walls, they tore down the temple, they did 612 - > everything, slaughtered a bunch of people. 613 - > It's a really tragic story. 614 - > Um, but after that, there was no this the Jews were scattered, 615 - > um, the the temp the sacrificial system was over. 616 - > Um, and so but that was after Jesus.

617 - > I mean, Jesus died around 30 or so A.D. 618 - > So, but that was like 40 years later when the Jerusalem was 619 - > destroyed. 620 - > But they had the ultimate sacrifice in Christ.

621 - > So um the Christians realized, oh, we have the ultimate 622 - > sacrifice, you know. 623 - > They stopped. 624 - > That makes sense. 625 - > Yeah.

626 - > And so that's what the book of Hebrews, the writer's talking 627 - > about, is all that other stuff was temporary, okay? 628 - > But this is permanent. 629 - > This is the permanent sacrifice once for all. 630 - > Don't need another one, don't need to be repeated.

631 - > Um, so anyway, yeah. 632 - > I like it. 633 - > SPEAKER_00: All right. 634 - > SPEAKER_04: Anything else?

635 - > Well, there's so much that we can um I mean talk about. 636 - > I was thinking 4th of July. 637 - > Yeah, 4th of July. 638 - > It's coming up this weekend.

639 - > And so I just want to say for those of you uh that live in the 640 - > Fort Worth area, especially, um, there is a everybody hope 641 - > celebrate it's the 250th year of our country's existence. 642 - > I mean, how cool is that? 643 - > SPEAKER_00: How cool is it? 644 - > SPEAKER_04: That is so cool.

645 - > And and we are privileged to live in the greatest country on 646 - > the face of the planet um and in the history of the planet, and 647 - > and we have so many freedoms that other countries can't even 648 - > comprehend. 649 - > Uh, and I hope that you take your family and celebrate it 650 - > somewhere. 651 - > Right. 652 - > If you're in the northwest side of Fort Worth this weekend, uh 653 - > on Saturday night, 4th of July, uh, there is a little community 654 - > called Azel, Texas.

655 - > And that community has one of the best Fourth of July 656 - > celebrations uh, and it's a little town, you know, about 657 - > 12,000, 15,000 people, very hometown feeling, but they have 658 - > an incredible uh 4th of July event uh sponsored by the 659 - > Ministerial Alliance. 660 - > Um, there'll be probably 10,000, 12,000 people there, maybe more 661 - > this year. 662 - > Um, but everything's all the food is free. 663 - > There's music going on for about three hours from six to nine.

664 - > Uh, then there are fireworks at about 920. 665 - > SPEAKER_00: Can I see the posey band jamming up? 666 - > SPEAKER_04: No, we won't be there, but uh I will be there 667 - > serving call or iced tea. 668 - > I'll be serving iced tea.

669 - > Uh and then everything's free. 670 - > Hot dogs are free, everything food's free, uh, drinks, all of 671 - > it's free. 672 - > And so it's a great time. 673 - > Bring your blanket, bring some food if you want to.

674 - > Uh, there's a massive lawn uh because it's at the city park uh 675 - > with a pavilion for the the band and everything. 676 - > Uh it's just incredible. 677 - > Parking is free. 678 - > Um, bring your lawn chair, whatever you want to do, um, and 679 - > just come and enjoy it.

680 - > It's really, really amazing uh for a community that of that 681 - > size to put on such an incredible event. 682 - > And I think this is either the 33rd or 34th year of doing it. 683 - > SPEAKER_00: Wow. 684 - > SPEAKER_04: And so they just do an incredible job, and it's 685 - > great to just be a part of that.

686 - > SPEAKER_00: Our country's 250 celebration. 687 - > So, I'm excited to see. 688 - > SPEAKER_04: And so just if you don't come to that one, go 689 - > somewhere and just celebrate America. 690 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, you celebrate, you know, like what 691 - > and do you know what the Statue of Liberty stands for?

692 - > SPEAKER_04: Freedom. 693 - > SPEAKER_00: No, because it can't sit down. 694 - > Oh I was I was transitioning for you, Dr. 695 - > P.

696 - > So you could get into some dad chicks. 697 - > Okay, okay. 698 - > SPEAKER_04: Okay, what do you call a man that irons his own 699 - > clothes? 700 - > SPEAKER_00: Hmm.

701 - > Poor. 702 - > SPEAKER_04: Yeah. 703 - > Before I left home for college, my mother taught me three 704 - > things. 705 - > Number one, how to do my own laundry.

706 - > Yes. 707 - > Number two, how to iron my own clothes. 708 - > Number three, how to make meatloaf. 709 - > Nice.

710 - > Yeah. 711 - > I I continue to you know do that. 712 - > So, no, what do you call a man that irons his own clothes? 713 - > You call him Iron Man.

714 - > SPEAKER_00: Oh boy, oh boy. 715 - > SPEAKER_04: Oh boy, no, Iron Man. 716 - > Oh boy. 717 - > Oh, did you hear?

718 - > You know, we're gonna we have a census in this country every 10 719 - > years, right? 720 - > But in Ireland it's different. 721 - > So did you hear about the population of Ireland's capital? 722 - > SPEAKER_02: No.

723 - > SPEAKER_04: It's Dublin. 724 - > SPEAKER_02: Oh boy. 725 - > SPEAKER_00: Well, you asked me. 726 - > I did ask you.

727 - > SPEAKER_04: You know, I saw I saw my neighbor over the weekend 728 - > uh crying while he was pushing his lawnmower. 729 - > He was going through a really rough patch. 730 - > Oh boy. 731 - > These are dad jokes, of course.

732 - > They are. 733 - > You know what's really odd? 734 - > SPEAKER_00: What's very what's odd? 735 - > SPEAKER_04: Every other number.

736 - > SPEAKER_00: Oh boy. 737 - > SPEAKER_04: Please send us dad jokes. 738 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm telling you. 739 - > What ghost haunted King George III?

740 - > SPEAKER_04: What ghost? 741 - > Yeah. 742 - > How about King George II? 743 - > SPEAKER_00: The spirit of 76.

744 - > SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah. 745 - > SPEAKER_03: That's the truth. 746 - > SPEAKER_00: If you cross a patriot and a dog with curly 747 - > hair, what do you get? 748 - > SPEAKER_04: A what now?

749 - > SPEAKER_00: Well, if you cross a patriot and a dog with curly 750 - > hair, what do you get? 751 - > I don't know. 752 - > A Yankee poodle. 753 - > Oh god.

754 - > SPEAKER_04: Oh. 755 - > Okay, what is a light bulb's favorite news? 756 - > SPEAKER_00: Hmm. 757 - > Don't know.

758 - > SPEAKER_04: Current events. 759 - > SPEAKER_00: Oh boy. 760 - > All right, my last one. 761 - > Okay, your last one, please.

762 - > No, I'm leaving it to you. 763 - > What was the most popular dance in 1776? 764 - > SPEAKER_04: What was the most popular dance? 765 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah.

766 - > SPEAKER_04: I don't know. 767 - > SPEAKER_00: Independance. 768 - > SPEAKER_04: Oh. 769 - > Oh okay.

770 - > All right, that's my dodge. 771 - > Where do electrical cords and plugs go shopping? 772 - > SPEAKER_00: The outlet store. 773 - > SPEAKER_04: At the Allen Mall.

774 - > Very good. 775 - > Very good. 776 - > All right, one more. 777 - > Here's one last thing.

778 - > Never use a GPS. 779 - > No. 780 - > When you're going to a cemetery. 781 - > It's not nice to hear you've reached your destination.

782 - > SPEAKER_00: Oh, I hadn't heard that one before. 783 - > I sort of that's okay. 784 - > SPEAKER_04: I kind of like that. 785 - > SPEAKER_00: I sort of like that one.

786 - > SPEAKER_04: I got an actual laugh from you on that one. 787 - > SPEAKER_00: I hadn't heard that one before. 788 - > Usually you hear them and we can't remember them, you know. 789 - > We go through so many of them.

790 - > That one I never even heard. 791 - > So okay. 792 - > All right, guys. 793 - > Check us out Biblical Leadership Show.

com. 794 - > Have a great 4th of July. 795 - > Celebrate this country's great 250th anniversary. 796 - > Come to Hazel if you're in the area.

797 - > I might even swing up to Hazel. 798 - > I'm gonna talk to the family, see if we want to go up there 799 - > this weekend. 800 - > Or go somewhere. 801 - > Just enjoy.

802 - > Anywhere Addison, you know, boomtown. 803 - > It's a huge one. 804 - > We've done that for years and years. 805 - > And and uh a lot of times we just do Fort Worth once we get 806 - > up on top of the hill in our neighborhood.

807 - > Yes, we can see multiple ones all everywhere. 808 - > So we may come out to Hazel. 809 - > We'll never know. 810 - > We'll see what we can do.

811 - > So if I come over and get some tea, I might surprise you. 812 - > Like, hey, I need some tea, I'm thirsty. 813 - > SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we got plenty of tea. 814 - > SPEAKER_00: Yeah, all right.

815 - > Check us out, Dr. 816 - > P. 817 - > Uh, you know, tell them to like, follow, share, check our website 818 - > out. 819 - > SPEAKER_04: Yeah, all that stuff, and thanks for joining us 820 - > today.

821 - > Make it a great day.