Smart Supply Chain Podcast · 2026-04-24 · 46 min
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The Manufacturing Institute, NAM's nonprofit workforce development affiliate, faces a critical challenge: manufacturers need 3.8 million workers by 2033, but 1.9 million positions will likely go unfilled due to retiring workers, declining birth rates, and immigration slowdowns. Carolyn Lee frames this as fundamentally a skills problem - companies can't find talent with the right capabilities, particularly in emerging areas like AI and Industry 4.0 technologies. Unlike office-based generative AI adoption (which receives significant media attention), manufacturing floors lack both the workers and training ecosystems to deploy AI effectively. Lee emphasizes that AI isn't monolithic - it's like "a computer without software," requiring targeted workforce development solutions. Her approach draws from 20+ years spanning Capitol Hill policy work, 3M manufacturing experience, and the Manufacturing Institute's research partnership with Deloitte. The conversation centers on perception-shifting (making manufacturing careers attractive), creating accessible entry pathways, enabling upskilling, and retaining multi-generational workforces with different expectations. Rather than predicting job elimination, Lee argues that technological transitions succeed only when workers possess skills to adapt - the core mission driving the Institute's advocacy and regional workforce ecosystems.
According to the Manufacturing Institute's 2024 research conducted with Deloitte, 1.9 million of the 3.8 million positions needed in manufacturing will go unfilled by 2033, primarily due to retirements, lower birth rates, and declining immigration.
Manufacturers lack workers with the necessary skills to implement AI on production floors; the skills gap is the biggest barrier to deploying AI and agentic AI systems effectively in manufacturing settings.
The Manufacturing Institute is the workforce development and education nonprofit affiliate of the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM); it conducts research on talent gaps, develops talent programs, convenes industry leaders, and influences federal policy to strengthen the manufacturing workforce.
The Manufacturing Institute is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit where NAM is the sole member; NAM provides back-office support (HR, finance, communications) while the Institute maintains independence in its strategic priorities and now leads NAM's federal workforce advocacy.
The analogy illustrates that AI is a tool requiring specific applications and training to be useful; just as computers need software like Excel or Outlook to function, manufacturing workers need tailored AI training and implementation frameworks to use AI effectively on production floors.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The episode covers real industry challenges (3.8M job gap, 1.9M unfilled roles by 2033, AI skills shortage) with some concrete examples (FAME program, vision systems detecting flaws), but much of the content consists of explanatory exposition about the Manufacturing Institute, its structure, and organizational history rather than dense, non-obvious insights. The guest repeats established frameworks (skills gap, generational differences, perception problems) without sharp original analysis.
We would need to fill 3.8 million jobs in manufacturing. Of those 1.9 million would go unfilled. This is by 2033.
When we talk to manufacturers, one of the biggest gaps they've identified as to why they're struggling to bring AI to the factory floors. They don't have people with skills.
The framing of AI as 'a computer without software' is a useful analogy, and the emphasis on employer-led workforce development and FAME program shows practical thinking, but the core narrative - skills shortage, generational workforce differences, need to change hiring practices - is well-trodden in HR and workforce development discourse. The guest largely reinforces conventional wisdom rather than challenging assumptions.
It's like a computer, but it has no software, right? So this is a new analogy that I'm, I'm test driving, right?
Companies need to think differently about hiring. This is like my new soapbox.
Carolyn Lee is the President and Executive Director of the Manufacturing Institute, a legitimate nonprofit with influence over workforce development policy and practice. She has Capitol Hill experience, worked at 3M, and leads a real multi-employer apprenticeship program (FAME) affecting hundreds of companies. However, she operates in a policy/advocacy role rather than as an operating executive managing P&Ls at scale in manufacturing itself, which limits pure practitioner credibility.
I'm the President and Executive Director of the Manufacturing Institute, which is the nonprofit workforce development and education affiliate to NAM or the National Associate Association of Manufacturers.
I worked for three M for a few years and then a couple different trade associations and found my way to the N AM where I was working on behalf of manufacturing companies on tax policy.
The episode includes some concrete data (3.8M jobs, 1.9M unfilled by 2033, FAME in 250 companies across 9 states at inception, ~1M open jobs in manufacturing in August 2022, ~400k most of the time) and real programs (FAME USA, Manufacturing Day, STEP initiative). However, most claims lack specificity: vague references to 'conversations with manufacturers,' generalized generational needs, no named companies deploying AI successfully on floors, no specific wage or outcome data from FAME graduates.
In 2024, May of 24, we released the most recent one. And what we found at the time was we would need to fill 3.8 million jobs in manufacturing. Of those 1.9 million would go unfilled.
We have built a system... Fame USA and the network building and supporting the the franchise as it grows across the country... 21 months global best multi skilled entry level maintenance technicians
The hosts ask reasonable setup questions and allow the guest to fully develop her answers, but there is minimal pushback, challenge, or sharp follow-up. When Carolyn makes broad claims (e.g., 'all employees like robots'), the hosts don't press for evidence. The hosts don't challenge the framing of AI risk or ask difficult questions about FAME's placement rates, costs, or failure modes. The conversation drifts into personal vacation stories at the end rather than drilling deeper on substance.
So how does that influence kind of what you're doing with the Manufacturing institute?
What do you think that companies should be doing with their employees to prepare for that?
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
In this episode of Smart Supply Chain, Carolyn Lee, President and Executive Director of the Manufacturing Institute, unpacks a looming crisis: a widening skills gap accelerated by AI. As new technologies reshape operations on the shop floor, the challenge is not talent, it’s equipping today’s workforce with the right skills. Carolyn shares how AI is changing job requirements, what it means for manufacturing and supply chain performance, and how leaders can rethink hiring, training, and development, while tapping into proven programs and resources to build a future-ready workforce.
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47366d29-86b2-411d-b718-8d1fb3518d2a-0 Welcome to Smart Supply Chain, a podcast for supply chain professionals 47366d29-86b2-411d-b718-8d1fb3518d2a-1 who think and work smarter. 59c8bacb-f258-46db-9d68-d991690397c3-0 I'm your host, Shireen Garrison, along with my sister in Supply chain, 59c8bacb-f258-46db-9d68-d991690397c3-1 Sarah Garrison. d584a8fd-5c75-4766-afa3-29ef597b4cdc-0 Hi, Sarah. 8f560b63-0976-4b8a-a2d6-7c9c839b2e19-0 Hi, Shereen.
5aeb96be-9e53-4eb1-ba95-0598ae4736b0-0 Today, we are absolutely thrilled to welcome 5aeb96be-9e53-4eb1-ba95-0598ae4736b0-1 Carolyn Lee to the podcast. d4214022-33e2-44a5-ac80-cb43156133b7-0 She is the President and Executive Director of the Manufacturing Institute, d4214022-33e2-44a5-ac80-cb43156133b7-1 which is the nonprofit workforce development and education affiliate to d4214022-33e2-44a5-ac80-cb43156133b7-2 NAM or the National Associate Association of Manufacturers. 2cac63ff-16e3-451e-8c3d-73da1f23402f-0 Welcome, Carolyn.
5ffc688d-ebdb-4a34-b1f9-a16e489ec8e2-0 Thank you for having me. 809b0dd9-a722-4dd9-90d2-b48cf83b87a3-0 Excited to be here with you guys. 2067cc48-e4bd-47cf-a3dd-062d2de9a933-0 Yeah, thanks so much for joining us. 8b2655cf-9785-4676-9ed0-f6e6f1ff454e-0 We want to dig in a little bit and understand, 8b2655cf-9785-4676-9ed0-f6e6f1ff454e-1 for those listeners who don't know what the Manufacturing Institute is, 8b2655cf-9785-4676-9ed0-f6e6f1ff454e-2 can you share with us a little bit about what you do there, 8b2655cf-9785-4676-9ed0-f6e6f1ff454e-3 what the mission is and why, why you've been in this since 2017?
67fe4a3a-204e-469f-a7da-2b8630620719-0 That's great. 9cc34e10-0bcc-4b5c-b383-f626d6a7042e-0 Yeah, happy to. 3d77cc1c-d32d-4261-a40f-caf170333e9f-0 So the Manufacturing Institute is the, as you said, 3d77cc1c-d32d-4261-a40f-caf170333e9f-1 the Workforce Development and education affiliate of the National Association of 3d77cc1c-d32d-4261-a40f-caf170333e9f-2 Manufacturers. 47a22f54-f835-4462-a50a-f814292ed707-0 And our mission is to build and strengthen the manufacturing workforce 47a22f54-f835-4462-a50a-f814292ed707-1 for today and tomorrow.
81d5afc8-394c-4810-a20f-2c05c85dc15d-0 We do that through a number of different pathways, 81d5afc8-394c-4810-a20f-2c05c85dc15d-1 I'd say couple different pillars. 19306d4e-0106-4ae6-8ab2-80e7c49b6997-0 We have programs and initiatives that are really focused on developing talent pools. 45f806b8-82db-49fb-94b1-7b8821e2e7e2-0 We do research to identify what are the biggest gaps we have in our talent pool 45f806b8-82db-49fb-94b1-7b8821e2e7e2-1 and manufacturing. 2b774715-4f55-4107-940f-75a926d7f99f-0 And when I say manufacturing, I mean the broadest picture of 2b774715-4f55-4107-940f-75a926d7f99f-1 manufacturing as an industry.
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5da4d32e-ec72-4ac5-ba56-41b8d5ba849a-0 We are an efficient part of the economy, right? b5ee2a82-ffde-4ce2-9020-83eb64cde4c8-0 That's one of the things we pride ourselves on. 5002ff8b-ae8e-48b6-8343-5829b95750e7-0 So learning what is working and how to replicate that, 5002ff8b-ae8e-48b6-8343-5829b95750e7-1 how to how to make sure that we're not constantly recreating the wheel is really 5002ff8b-ae8e-48b6-8343-5829b95750e7-2 important. f329fea0-c293-46b5-b547-370701d6a7ba-0 So that together as an industry sector, we're able to address our biggest f329fea0-c293-46b5-b547-370701d6a7ba-1 challenge, one of our biggest challenges, which has always been making sure that we f329fea0-c293-46b5-b547-370701d6a7ba-2 have the people we need to drive our success.
734ccc35-b32f-424a-bc33-8cbb300d9b75-0 So how does the institute interact and interplay with the NAM organization? cd8a9ca2-8826-4193-8387-f4e1f1a5ce34-0 Sure. 009f6e93-5b07-40bf-b5ed-809279e4713c-0 The NAM, we call it the NAM. e165d2f3-f105-4c79-ba50-2d66f746d2a9-0 The NAM is actually our sole member.
f5c49d03-e420-4c2b-bc83-1e2ac4ddaccb-0 So we are our 501-C3 nonprofit. 284a6667-2513-464c-bf18-cae1a292d9ec-0 So we are a public charity working on behalf of manufacturing. a3357266-3469-47af-b0b2-9d7280195f51-0 And because the NAM is our member, we are working on behalf of manufacturing a3357266-3469-47af-b0b2-9d7280195f51-1 companies and employers. da5d7f85-1a4f-4f52-8a30-4acb7c82e28d-0 So we are fortunate to be headquartered in DC alongside the National Association da5d7f85-1a4f-4f52-8a30-4acb7c82e28d-1 Manufacturer team.
d8bd8d0c-4d32-4760-b283-c581ccb70052-0 And so we are there in headquarters. 7c84e5b0-ac9d-479b-b745-d39e05f02d39-0 They provide support and HR and communications and finance and accounting 7c84e5b0-ac9d-479b-b745-d39e05f02d39-1 and all of those back office things. 158e1225-98ae-4a9e-bdc8-1b4f5711cdf6-0 And that is what they do to help support the MI in our mission. 0e60c7cf-d8c0-4580-8be8-3bc6f0786d69-0 But we are working, we develop our own.
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0a7cfa6d-39d7-48ca-bc2e-92bb9ffbde53-0 And so that way the policy agenda is driven by what's working on the ground 0a7cfa6d-39d7-48ca-bc2e-92bb9ffbde53-1 for manufacturers across the country. 918f576f-f01e-47d5-a433-bfd02ce802a2-0 And that we've carried that to the halls of Congress and the and the various 918f576f-f01e-47d5-a433-bfd02ce802a2-1 agencies throughout the executive branch to make sure that manufacturing and our 918f576f-f01e-47d5-a433-bfd02ce802a2-2 workforce needs are well represented.
03da3a78-14de-4449-aca5-1f6dfc91d73d-0 And so we work in close partnerships, but because we're a C 3, 03da3a78-14de-4449-aca5-1f6dfc91d73d-1 we're also independent and we're very fortunate to have a great, 03da3a78-14de-4449-aca5-1f6dfc91d73d-2 a great set of partners in the NAM team. 4c65c5bc-fdab-4dd8-babb-87b271abae34-0 And the chair of our board, the MI Board of directors is actually the 4c65c5bc-fdab-4dd8-babb-87b271abae34-1 NAM CEO and President, Jay Timmons, who's been a great advocate for workforce 4c65c5bc-fdab-4dd8-babb-87b271abae34-2 development and bringing more people into the manufacturing sector.
25858000-3cb6-48af-9d5a-79bfb88ff6df-0 So we have a, a great working relationship and it's 25858000-3cb6-48af-9d5a-79bfb88ff6df-1 been fantastic all these years to help really drive our agenda. 28ce2b1b-e9ca-43cf-9664-df244f0db3a6-0 I come from the N AM side of the House. 17aaa0f2-f44b-45e3-8b20-7c6c90eb84d1-0 I was actually in the policy team before I took on this role back in 2017. 5285568b-7a76-495e-8e9d-fb0584a6df6a-0 And the MI has been fortunate to really expand our areas of work ever since then.
610b62d7-07c7-4f2a-b6aa-6b5942a2f345-0 And, and, and talents is always front and center. 7b76f487-7891-4179-a6f3-3a9f8c2f7ea3-0 So it's, it's very much part of the daily 7b76f487-7891-4179-a6f3-3a9f8c2f7ea3-1 conversation in Washington, across the country, 7b76f487-7891-4179-a6f3-3a9f8c2f7ea3-2 because we know we can't do our work if we don't have the people. f532279b-0be0-42af-9f4e-6ae66e9f9c23-0 Yeah, I, I did read that you were in policy, f532279b-0be0-42af-9f4e-6ae66e9f9c23-1 you know, for a while there in your past history.
d3c8fcd7-bd17-41d1-96e8-4239db00f8a7-0 How does that influence kind of what you're doing with the Manufacturing d3c8fcd7-bd17-41d1-96e8-4239db00f8a7-1 institute? e88fd7b2-8b26-4e39-ac1a-78810fc8fceb-0 Well, I'd say my original influence goes way e88fd7b2-8b26-4e39-ac1a-78810fc8fceb-1 back, earlier than than my time on the hill. 6c530f50-af6c-4281-9e7d-781df292e976-0 My dad and my grandfather had a small machine tooling company when I was a kid, 6c530f50-af6c-4281-9e7d-781df292e976-1 and I used to tell people they made nuts and bolts.
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5806fa24-17cc-42d0-9388-7e94d4e8772d-0 So, you know, I grew up with that in mind. ec71ce1d-7956-402a-99a8-682273c137bc-0 I found my way to Capitol Hill after college and worked for four years in the ec71ce1d-7956-402a-99a8-682273c137bc-1 House of Representatives, four years in the US Senate, ec71ce1d-7956-402a-99a8-682273c137bc-2 and then actually made my way off the hill to a manufacturer. 58dfaaff-d99c-44d1-aae3-41f4d2575cff-0 I worked for three M for a few years and then a couple different trade 58dfaaff-d99c-44d1-aae3-41f4d2575cff-1 associations and found my way to the N AM where I was working on behalf of 58dfaaff-d99c-44d1-aae3-41f4d2575cff-2 manufacturing companies on tax policy.
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7ac926da-8926-4f08-a564-03a3caff87eb-0 Our team is all across the country, as I said, 7ac926da-8926-4f08-a564-03a3caff87eb-1 working hand in hand with companies large and small to build these workforce 7ac926da-8926-4f08-a564-03a3caff87eb-2 development ecosystems and to solve the problems for individuals. 5513e617-366a-4d07-a763-a9335dc04a28-0 So I get to take the theory of why I went to the Hill to apply it in real life. d73be24c-93b5-48f0-bfbd-62ac52b6017c-0 And I will say this is harder in a different way because of course, you know, d73be24c-93b5-48f0-bfbd-62ac52b6017c-1 every, every challenge is different.
dcea048c-50ba-44d1-b4f1-eb927f205e10-0 You know what, what ails us on workforce development in dcea048c-50ba-44d1-b4f1-eb927f205e10-1 Oakland, CA is very different than what it may be dcea048c-50ba-44d1-b4f1-eb927f205e10-2 in, you know, Oklahoma City may be different than dcea048c-50ba-44d1-b4f1-eb927f205e10-3 Kansas City, may be different than, you know, Hampton Roads, Virginia. e5ab3a1d-2187-4db7-a9d2-fd92ebc7cc28-0 And yet there's some common threads all the way across. 1d1c470a-e95f-4cf7-8eec-2b64dd23cdc0-0 So how do you personalize and customize the solutions to make sure that it fits 1d1c470a-e95f-4cf7-8eec-2b64dd23cdc0-1 the region?
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5b5e1561-809f-4f3f-a928-da449cfcc1a2-0 So how do people find the way in and then find that upscaling pathway? 787340af-e07f-4e20-9238-7c38480e88bd-0 And then how do we help employers make sure that they're retaining their talent 787340af-e07f-4e20-9238-7c38480e88bd-1 pool and what works, what doesn't, what are are our different generations of 787340af-e07f-4e20-9238-7c38480e88bd-2 our workforce that are with the in, in the workforce today, right? 4feb49fa-b29e-43bc-90e3-74a9d4edfdae-0 There's about 5 generations of, of work for workers across the US economy 4feb49fa-b29e-43bc-90e3-74a9d4edfdae-1 who are working in manufacturing today.
5c3c14a3-5b82-4829-8e20-8bd64981f54d-0 They're all looking for different things from employers. 4681e4ec-de3a-494f-a344-6c5143c46ae7-0 So how do we like declutter and make sure we're focusing on building and 4681e4ec-de3a-494f-a344-6c5143c46ae7-1 strengthening that that way of life? 953b9e2e-bf88-432b-86a1-aaa00a33e86e-0 So kind of a long answer, but it's been a, it's been an interesting journey. 5e3061c3-a1dc-469e-856c-8f22cfccc421-0 We try to bring all those things to life to make sure that we're able to compete.
21f8561c-588a-4d6a-a4ea-0c4703d09cae-0 Well. 65755bff-d239-4e64-bf3d-276c3ee605a2-0 I think you've definitely established your credentials. 473c421c-a01a-4c91-966a-92aee807e71a-0 With that in mind, we as you and the Manufacturing Institute 473c421c-a01a-4c91-966a-92aee807e71a-1 look at 2026 and beyond. a55fbcb5-3278-4159-9637-4b01714a1d92-0 What are the big trends and challenges that you see impacting the manufacturing a55fbcb5-3278-4159-9637-4b01714a1d92-1 landscape?
96577dd5-a8aa-46dd-82e8-2900e0bb03e2-0 We have long faced a a structural talent challenge in manufacturing the institute. 6585559d-53bb-4bb4-8c1e-efde4682ae0b-0 One of the things we're best known for and mentioned research a little bit ago, 6585559d-53bb-4bb4-8c1e-efde4682ae0b-1 we have done a, a study with Deloitte every three years 6585559d-53bb-4bb4-8c1e-efde4682ae0b-2 for the last, I don't know, 18-19 years that is identified what is 6585559d-53bb-4bb4-8c1e-efde4682ae0b-3 the talent gap in manufacturing.
e0df42e3-2262-46cf-b875-d5f2e5be05e7-0 And so in 2024, May of 24, we, we released the most recent one. af9370f7-4687-4297-9940-cc28590bb9b2-0 And what we found at the time was we would need to fill 3. af9370f7-4687-4297-9940-cc28590bb9b2-1 8 million jobs in manufacturing. 2d7a8b1c-7f6e-49ff-b95c-26997aaa4c91-0 Of those 1.
9 million would go unfilled. 7e7fa6fc-c862-4e2d-bf8b-82635145fd6d-0 This is by 2033. 5bc6a29f-8651-4ee2-9e8e-181618428785-0 And when we talk about why they go unfilled, 5bc6a29f-8651-4ee2-9e8e-181618428785-1 it's because we don't have the people and we don't have the people with the skills. 768edcc8-ccde-4b95-bbe7-6a517fdf7ca8-0 So there's this gap and why does it almost 4 million jobs?
7da1deb2-f870-404a-a8f1-eaddabfa531b-0 Well, there's retirements, of course, although that's starting to Peter off a 7da1deb2-f870-404a-a8f1-eaddabfa531b-1 little bit as our oldest baby, youngest baby boomers are, 7da1deb2-f870-404a-a8f1-eaddabfa531b-2 are reaching retirement age. 9caeb248-14bf-4678-a9f4-3add2901a021-0 There's also the, we're not having as many, as many people, 9caeb248-14bf-4678-a9f4-3add2901a021-1 right? e1a8cc04-ee8b-4e34-86a1-b37a6b19177f-0 We're not having as many babies in this country as this is a challenge for most e1a8cc04-ee8b-4e34-86a1-b37a6b19177f-1 industrialized countries actually.
946fdf35-e3f0-4d31-8946-aa1f73887901-0 And so you don't have the replacement rate isn't up there. 3e2fb58b-27b4-40a7-8b5a-6f6ee29c3814-0 And we have the immigration leveling off. 59a4e25e-ff90-42a3-b841-3aa46c52b59a-0 We have that. 9ba8171e-4782-42c3-abf6-b7108a929d1a-0 We've had a net negative immigration I think is what I've read in the last two 9ba8171e-4782-42c3-abf6-b7108a929d1a-1 years.
34c73f5a-5541-445f-a275-6675b66237cc-0 And so all of those things together, we have this gap not on the people with 34c73f5a-5541-445f-a275-6675b66237cc-1 the skills to fill our jobs. 46792feb-44dc-4add-a2e5-618edac06e24-0 So skills would be the thing that I would say is that the biggest trend in the 46792feb-44dc-4add-a2e5-618edac06e24-1 banner, what the skills are in what industries 46792feb-44dc-4add-a2e5-618edac06e24-2 and how do we make sure people have them is then really the key.
0483aeb3-13bd-4753-b48d-03f04a26dfbe-0 And then you can add into that the thing that is in every conversation now, right? c1105968-1955-47da-8ab5-d851e61bff6b-0 AI and AI is going to be a skill set. 32b760ff-6bf0-44fd-81bd-5a43fab274cd-0 It's like I was just talking to a company the other day talking about AI. 2741d7ff-d513-4b10-bfe7-ac0787d7dd00-0 Everyone talks about this is it, this is monolithic.
0007ac06-aa8d-4ddf-b6c4-678fc1d288be-0 And it's not, it's like a computer, but it has no software, right? c077706f-9e7a-4dda-b519-569c6b2f7fe5-0 So this is a new analogy that I'm, I'm test driving, right? 313ca714-7bae-4f03-a04c-c8a1a6a3280d-0 It's a computer without software. 2156b698-4166-46f6-b942-3ed9add47bca-0 You can't just give computers to our workers and say good luck, 2156b698-4166-46f6-b942-3ed9add47bca-1 go out and do good things.
2cd4b084-bc2a-4745-9962-aad6e33354f1-0 It needs to have, you know, we're Microsoft, you know, Office, 2cd4b084-bc2a-4745-9962-aad6e33354f1-1 so we use PowerPoint. b99572ae-8399-4f65-8b74-4e3ebd9b568b-0 We use, you know, Excel, we use, you know, Outlook for our emails. 6b843229-fc15-45b1-b3e1-6137db28d2bc-0 We need software in the computer to make our jobs easier, right? 30042fda-6af4-471f-b8c8-76ce3d1bb9b6-0 AI is going to continue to evolve.
6c7de18c-306c-4ac7-8b77-f6a778d2b775-0 Of course. 4be67f76-7c1e-488a-b6b1-d4bd17d578dd-0 It's evolved so quickly in the last few years how we're bringing in. a4e8c975-4b15-48e1-b90b-ea1518a107e1-0 And for our purposes, well, there's a lot of conversation about using a4e8c975-4b15-48e1-b90b-ea1518a107e1-1 generative AI in the office setting right now, a4e8c975-4b15-48e1-b90b-ea1518a107e1-2 people who sit behind computers in the knowledge set setting, a4e8c975-4b15-48e1-b90b-ea1518a107e1-3 there's not a lot of conversation.
4d030037-8f39-4b29-8d0a-5ecca2fbb73b-0 But how are we bringing AI and the AI skills that individuals are going to need 4d030037-8f39-4b29-8d0a-5ecca2fbb73b-1 to the production floor to those settings so that generative AI and the Nagentic AI 4d030037-8f39-4b29-8d0a-5ecca2fbb73b-2 next will actually help enable people to do their job better and to get better 4d030037-8f39-4b29-8d0a-5ecca2fbb73b-3 outcomes. 4ce5b4cc-d468-4354-8a46-86d3bfe2cf59-0 And there's this gap here and the skills are lacking.
f15895bf-6083-46b9-87ce-3c5b9f15d237-0 When we talk to manufacturers, one of the biggest gaps they've f15895bf-6083-46b9-87ce-3c5b9f15d237-1 identified as to why they're struggling to bring AI to the factory floors. c60ec9fa-f9a8-409e-8473-6b7e274b5af5-0 They don't have people with skills. e8ffc384-8903-40dc-b86a-fa0ba869d437-0 And so the skill theme keeps coming through. 88d44a79-f686-470b-b8d0-cab01d9e7857-0 So as we look at the constant and rapid evolution of technology used in 88d44a79-f686-470b-b8d0-cab01d9e7857-1 manufacturing and we're still in that four dot O revolution and moving on to 88d44a79-f686-470b-b8d0-cab01d9e7857-2 whatever revolution comes next, probably 4 1/2 or five, 88d44a79-f686-470b-b8d0-cab01d9e7857-3 it is how do we make sure that the people have the skills to be able to succeed in 88d44a79-f686-470b-b8d0-cab01d9e7857-4 that.
7524f7bd-dc10-49d1-802d-5870c06211b4-0 And I would say that skills attainment, especially when it comes to AI, 7524f7bd-dc10-49d1-802d-5870c06211b4-1 there's so much in the media every single day about the forecast of there will be 7524f7bd-dc10-49d1-802d-5870c06211b4-2 no more workers, right? bb3bf38f-ee82-4f96-a4e7-696c190e6767-0 There will be no more jobs and all of us are going to be, I don't know, bb3bf38f-ee82-4f96-a4e7-696c190e6767-1 writing and on vacation. 58ee95b8-6ccd-4bb8-ba94-1fbb6dbfcff7-0 I don't believe in that future, you know, I will there be efficiencies?
410a7874-be8e-4408-9fc1-285fb20611d8-0 Sure. 7e882bc4-6afc-4c74-a959-29545b6ce5f4-0 Has there always been efficiencies? f055a971-6942-466c-941c-2f7eea0b6fc8-0 Yes. 0b02aa98-7dde-455d-9c32-3f5ad1dcfd11-0 Will it change our tasks?
953c0d0a-2a49-4866-ba1b-96f1187c5a25-0 Yes. 150b2cd1-5c78-41c5-a82e-e95e0db5a0c4-0 But all of those things can only happen if people have the skills. e4593025-755b-4db5-80d1-45c989b0ccc3-0 And I would argue that the best way to weather the transition, e4593025-755b-4db5-80d1-45c989b0ccc3-1 any technological industrial transformation is to make sure you have e4593025-755b-4db5-80d1-45c989b0ccc3-2 the skills to be able to, to ride the wave and move through it. f0969ae7-c755-46a1-9537-20aa243edfad-0 And that's something that we're really focused on in these next these next few f0969ae7-c755-46a1-9537-20aa243edfad-1 months.
2e584b90-996a-4925-9872-815ab4021283-0 I mean, in my experience, lots of people are really afraid of AI. c6a04285-9366-4a47-b129-bc816620bf72-0 They're afraid to make a mistake. 3da50a60-b498-44e3-b79d-8091aa53704d-0 So they just don't want to be involved in it at all because they think it's 3da50a60-b498-44e3-b79d-8091aa53704d-1 dangerous or other people think that it's perfect and it's going to take all the 3da50a60-b498-44e3-b79d-8091aa53704d-2 jobs away, right? 1a623d17-9be8-4125-8e02-d600e689699d-0 Because it's going to solve everything for low manufacturing jobs or supply 1a623d17-9be8-4125-8e02-d600e689699d-1 chain or any, any industry really.
7c8e6bfc-2f99-4792-bae9-a4e50e8357c6-0 What do you think that companies should be doing with their employees to prepare 7c8e6bfc-2f99-4792-bae9-a4e50e8357c6-1 for that? 23166af0-aef4-4dfe-93fd-3d53aa62878e-0 Just to get people in the right mindset or, you know, 23166af0-aef4-4dfe-93fd-3d53aa62878e-1 bringing on new employees that maybe understand a little bit more about AI. 249dbef8-09ac-4574-ad58-1ca855e4db6a-0 What do you think needs to happen there? 2e617e76-0388-4abc-a8f9-b4372145ef22-0 Well, I think we need to talk about I was at AI 2e617e76-0388-4abc-a8f9-b4372145ef22-1 was at a session with executives that the N AM hosted back in May.
b54d1b91-03c0-49d3-b114-9e891cf943d2-0 We were in Milwaukee area and there was a, a local CEO who said for, b54d1b91-03c0-49d3-b114-9e891cf943d2-1 for a multinational company who said, look, don't just think about like, b54d1b91-03c0-49d3-b114-9e891cf943d2-2 what are you doing with AI? efea7dce-9ea0-4cce-9067-39ef180b9b2f-0 You got to think about what are the solutions you want to have AI help you, efea7dce-9ea0-4cce-9067-39ef180b9b2f-1 you know, the problems that you want AI to help you efea7dce-9ea0-4cce-9067-39ef180b9b2f-2 solve.
9ad0185e-c38d-4477-ac9d-aeaed7d24c4f-0 So, so that's first, I think companies need to talk about what 9ad0185e-c38d-4477-ac9d-aeaed7d24c4f-1 this transformation means, what use cases they're looking to, 9ad0185e-c38d-4477-ac9d-aeaed7d24c4f-2 to deploy AI in and test in and then what are the pieces? ece5ec11-400b-4fe2-b09d-11f5bc3f4334-0 Because not talking about it makes everybody scared, right? 6d6affd8-ee6f-497d-a934-300ac62485eb-0 So let's address it and say, This is why we're trying to do this, 6d6affd8-ee6f-497d-a934-300ac62485eb-1 because we're trying, let's talk the production side.
d974178e-7cfc-4cce-9ed9-9f1dfce44b5b-0 We're we're looking at energy efficiency because AI can look at all the data and d974178e-7cfc-4cce-9ed9-9f1dfce44b5b-1 all the systems and that's running and say, OK, well, if you do these things, d974178e-7cfc-4cce-9ed9-9f1dfce44b5b-2 you could be more efficient and use less electricity. 91853b64-13a4-409d-9b8c-12fe14c7d1c3-0 That's a good thing. 90830c25-5863-4a4f-8c54-f802c0c10bf9-0 How are we looking at moving supplies, you know, 90830c25-5863-4a4f-8c54-f802c0c10bf9-1 and the supply chain elements to help drive just in time or lean manufacturing, 90830c25-5863-4a4f-8c54-f802c0c10bf9-2 right?
a4c74cdf-f25f-49f9-bad9-6c23154f6928-0 Where, what, what inputs are coming from, where and how you get them into the best a4c74cdf-f25f-49f9-bad9-6c23154f6928-1 place. f31e81b0-ccc1-4f54-8eac-855e82e6d560-0 How do you optimize machinery? b04bd93f-a8e8-43a5-b4e8-6a77b9d97397-0 How are you looking at predictive maintenance in a different way so that b04bd93f-a8e8-43a5-b4e8-6a77b9d97397-1 you can have higher throughput and higher efficiencies? efecd6f0-85ed-4539-b21c-9785a010ae9a-0 So if you look at it like that, no one's like, Oh my God, efecd6f0-85ed-4539-b21c-9785a010ae9a-1 I was so scared of AI because they go, oh, that makes a lot of sense.
942e281b-6ef0-4d94-8254-c64527c2d3c4-0 It's looking at data manufacturers have been using AI already for years, 942e281b-6ef0-4d94-8254-c64527c2d3c4-1 machine learning and vision systems, those things. 9905da45-f4d9-42a9-8f6f-913ece7f8346-0 I was out of presentation. 5fed61ee-6e5b-41f2-9e98-145dc1d25fe5-0 This was like 3 years ago when AI first was bubbling. dcd30abb-6c45-44c1-b890-97ddc6c51525-0 And yeah, it was for the Manufacturing Leadership dcd30abb-6c45-44c1-b890-97ddc6c51525-1 Council, which is the digital transformation dcd30abb-6c45-44c1-b890-97ddc6c51525-2 division for the NAN.
3cbf9f06-c30d-40e0-9c06-5978efe1e328-0 And they were at their big Rethink conference and there was an AI session on 3cbf9f06-c30d-40e0-9c06-5978efe1e328-1 the agenda. 71221e4c-0b58-48eb-b90f-edf228e2f85a-0 So I went and like, OK, what am I going to learn? ebe51473-f012-4b90-900f-23aafdf6a57c-0 And the skills and the and they were talking about using vision, ebe51473-f012-4b90-900f-23aafdf6a57c-1 AI empowered vision systems to detect flaws and silicon chips, ebe51473-f012-4b90-900f-23aafdf6a57c-2 which at a microscopic level the vision system could detect that humans couldn't.
4ce4646c-6a29-419c-af09-56bffbcc18e9-0 Makes so much sense, right? f9a3bf25-28ab-4448-881b-5457d0592591-0 And of course that's a great use. e320f3df-b73f-4f35-bc4d-d48efa52add8-0 And if you talk about it like that, that is a very different narrative than e320f3df-b73f-4f35-bc4d-d48efa52add8-1 the Armageddon notion that comes out in the media that AI will take all the jobs e320f3df-b73f-4f35-bc4d-d48efa52add8-2 and there are no people. 92093661-74bd-4db9-b300-0f115b807335-0 It's what is the problem you're trying to solve and how have these technologies now?
90967351-d522-4f4b-8554-a80138a45db1-0 Will autonomous humanoid robots have a role in manufacturing future? 295f8e9c-ee30-4ed4-9891-3d05eea944bf-0 At some X number of years in the future? d34fefb0-ef0f-48db-9096-5d6e67c171bf-0 Maybe, but we already have automation, right? f25b1349-e0ac-4fd0-96de-3b8e85e6421f-0 And every single employee, this is this is God honest truth.
5ea43248-a929-4037-8eff-69012e5c67a7-0 Every employee had ever asked at any facility all across the country. df95ede0-8c52-4698-a038-b76d32e5340a-0 And I said to them, what do you think about the robot, df95ede0-8c52-4698-a038-b76d32e5340a-1 the cobot, whatever the automation, Everybody has always told me they like it df95ede0-8c52-4698-a038-b76d32e5340a-2 because it makes their job better, safer, easier, df95ede0-8c52-4698-a038-b76d32e5340a-3 and they get to do the things that they're more interested in and not the df95ede0-8c52-4698-a038-b76d32e5340a-4 thing that was less interesting, like the lifting, df95ede0-8c52-4698-a038-b76d32e5340a-5 picking and putting down.
778b07fe-7109-4914-b804-7e4e93493277-0 Yeah. 5f6c29b5-2950-4901-bea7-801522a63b77-0 I mean, I love that you talk about like it's, 5f6c29b5-2950-4901-bea7-801522a63b77-1 there's always been, you know, automation and manufacturing. 6ad2c7e8-665d-42e3-bcf2-d3784fbba350-0 That's always been a thing that everybody's always looking for some ways 6ad2c7e8-665d-42e3-bcf2-d3784fbba350-1 to automate kind of nitpicky little tasks that we don't need to do. 47000b98-fb73-46d4-8f8d-44584eedbb18-0 Yeah, we should embrace that.
bc936b35-29cf-48c5-a0c0-9500fbe06909-0 And I love that you're talking about like how that interacts with humans, bc936b35-29cf-48c5-a0c0-9500fbe06909-1 with humans. f3e83abc-ad33-40f9-8bc4-e051cc05baf2-0 It's not just an AI solution, it's also a human solution, right, Right. 109d7fa5-525a-474f-8a0e-fac9c03d6320-0 And when we talk about things like predictive maintenance or, you know, 109d7fa5-525a-474f-8a0e-fac9c03d6320-1 like that, you don't have to go to take general of 109d7fa5-525a-474f-8a0e-fac9c03d6320-2 AI.
8aa4676b-1a01-4ffb-bdce-128e88c9d427-0 So where we are today having a, a closed secure system for generative AI 8aa4676b-1a01-4ffb-bdce-128e88c9d427-1 on a facility floor, factory floor and that you can have any 8aa4676b-1a01-4ffb-bdce-128e88c9d427-2 operator go in and say this is the flaw that's come fault that's coming up or 8aa4676b-1a01-4ffb-bdce-128e88c9d427-3 this is the thing that's happening. 185932be-3248-4adc-bdc0-7094610d2da0-0 What do I do? 8821feb3-3234-47e4-8742-ed7fdaa52e47-0 What is next, right?
8dfbce7f-0c06-4a81-9f90-5385752c6348-0 I've been to facilities where when you have that question, 8dfbce7f-0c06-4a81-9f90-5385752c6348-1 you've got the more tenured worker who goes in the back and pulls out the book 8dfbce7f-0c06-4a81-9f90-5385752c6348-2 and goes through all the manuals, right? a781e408-7d2a-4ccf-9899-69b05f15b91d-0 Or rolls out the blueprint and says, this is the thing and it's from, you know, a781e408-7d2a-4ccf-9899-69b05f15b91d-1 my dad's shop. 26953146-5015-48be-b519-562ca8b8de7b-0 It would have been like, this is the thing from the machine from 26953146-5015-48be-b519-562ca8b8de7b-1 19, you know, 48.
5edfd339-79a4-40bd-ac92-854383d53212-0 And now you can, you can go in and say, OK, well, 5edfd339-79a4-40bd-ac92-854383d53212-1 this is all of the different use cases we've had all the way along. 2ee09702-2675-417f-8ae8-c91edb374e28-0 This is what this all means. 515b191a-3ba6-431f-8f9a-2f4556a1200d-0 And now you're empowering a more the, the, the closest level to the problem to solve 515b191a-3ba6-431f-8f9a-2f4556a1200d-1 an issue and a challenge, right? 46290d2d-cacb-4f0d-abde-6cabbd87c7e8-0 And that's what as leaders, we need to do is help make sure that 46290d2d-cacb-4f0d-abde-6cabbd87c7e8-1 decisions and, and solutions are able to be driven by 46290d2d-cacb-4f0d-abde-6cabbd87c7e8-2 the closest unit of Labor to the, to the closest worker to the challenge, 46290d2d-cacb-4f0d-abde-6cabbd87c7e8-3 right?
b9d15181-9929-43ab-b29d-8b5dfaaddbe5-0 Well, now they can go and figure that out and b9d15181-9929-43ab-b29d-8b5dfaaddbe5-1 help solve things faster. 072cbe0e-c29e-4209-8ad6-691e09d9ee2c-0 That's an entirely different notion. 4f6c1999-56bb-4fa3-aca5-8a79934b6ce8-0 And if we bring that to life, I think people can understand it and not 4f6c1999-56bb-4fa3-aca5-8a79934b6ce8-1 be so afraid. 94c85d84-165c-4912-a046-e588e8a63b75-0 And what's interesting about AI in particular, I have three teenagers.
b10e96dd-088a-419a-b50f-ea6ebeb83f16-0 And when I talk about this, you know, my husband and I talk about this b10e96dd-088a-419a-b50f-ea6ebeb83f16-1 day-to-day, they're really scared of it because b10e96dd-088a-419a-b50f-ea6ebeb83f16-2 they're hearing all of these, right? 1c3de28b-855c-4ab0-b35b-f808c55ee9f9-0 And you'd expect our kids the same generation who thinks that, you know, 1c3de28b-855c-4ab0-b35b-f808c55ee9f9-1 they've never seen a commercial on network TV. 8a058992-10ac-473d-a3b5-d3d68733bbe2-0 And it's alarming and jarring to them because everything's on demand, right?
6ea764c2-7eba-47a4-817c-f613f36a6a55-0 I was just explaining to my kids what event TV was like when we were kids, 6ea764c2-7eba-47a4-817c-f613f36a6a55-1 why everybody would stop to watch this thing, right? b7480abe-3cb7-4ea0-85c0-c67be744dbac-0 They don't know that because they live in an on demand world. f7558ac7-52f5-4f6c-8559-2e055d2e7c36-0 So they're used to this ubiquitous technology that's constantly interacting, f7558ac7-52f5-4f6c-8559-2e055d2e7c36-1 but they're concerned about AI because they only hearing this, f7558ac7-52f5-4f6c-8559-2e055d2e7c36-2 this threat narrative.
014b8511-8b90-4a0e-a9ee-8a2edd102dca-0 But if you explain the use cases like we've got to bring everybody to the table 014b8511-8b90-4a0e-a9ee-8a2edd102dca-1 on this and, and as leaders and businesses, 014b8511-8b90-4a0e-a9ee-8a2edd102dca-2 we need to help be really clear about it, about how it can enable and empower and 014b8511-8b90-4a0e-a9ee-8a2edd102dca-3 augment our teams and our workers. 6096a2bc-ceb0-47e5-9a2d-27d2bf211a11-0 That is, that is something that we need to do more 6096a2bc-ceb0-47e5-9a2d-27d2bf211a11-1 deliberately and more clearly because we're we're going to lose it because it's 6096a2bc-ceb0-47e5-9a2d-27d2bf211a11-2 going to get too far away from us because the fear factor is so high right now.
a21e6f3e-8c75-4802-9273-fd1c5e1d94e7-0 So I'm going to do a call back to something you said kind of at the a21e6f3e-8c75-4802-9273-fd1c5e1d94e7-1 beginning of that you were talking about this shortage of workers. 046f18cc-c061-4f97-8f5c-c9bbf045c400-0 I assume that takes into account that, you know, AI is, 046f18cc-c061-4f97-8f5c-c9bbf045c400-1 is not going to solve every problem and we're still going to have this shortage 046f18cc-c061-4f97-8f5c-c9bbf045c400-2 of workers. 70f21dcd-77d3-47e0-9016-41b9752ecc5d-0 So can you share with us a little bit about what advice you would give to 70f21dcd-77d3-47e0-9016-41b9752ecc5d-1 companies who are are thinking ahead around their employees and their skills 70f21dcd-77d3-47e0-9016-41b9752ecc5d-2 and what they should be doing to get ahead of the shortage you see coming?
ade403fb-a62c-4404-afb0-0c8825337310-0 Yeah, sure. 8faac145-b9a4-4327-b6bd-a9901bffd0ec-0 So our study was, I'm trying to think of the timing. 47f51614-7c9b-4360-8456-8ca1f7a21c80-0 So we released it in May of 2024, which means the surveys were out in the 47f51614-7c9b-4360-8456-8ca1f7a21c80-1 market, out in the field in early 24, late 23. 855a8fab-05f9-4a30-9a16-5479041e3bd3-0 I think we began the the survey work that that that data is based on.
261af4ea-bc2e-451a-a048-adb5c25fb10e-0 So I think ChatGPT, which was the first big, you know, 261af4ea-bc2e-451a-a048-adb5c25fb10e-1 AI come and tell real life conversation. c8207c5b-f32f-4253-99e2-02ae93cfdba6-0 I want to say that was that had just happened in November of 23, right? ca34e963-8e24-49f0-90e8-9b14f7c804ba-0 It's been a couple years now. 26af85f2-f741-439e-9c5d-294f48bced50-0 Maybe it was November of 22.
4927c72a-5908-4907-bcae-3f168dacf90e-0 I remember it was late, late fall. aa28532e-896d-4bae-8384-2bd95bbc4db9-0 I don't know how much the data that we saw at the time is, aa28532e-896d-4bae-8384-2bd95bbc4db9-1 is reflective of the conversation of AI. 61f3a4b2-1f20-4f22-a596-542587fef2fa-0 So that's what next year's paper when we put it out, 61f3a4b2-1f20-4f22-a596-542587fef2fa-1 I'm sure there will be a heavy theme there. 7eee82ae-0e45-45e4-b557-37582deb5b61-0 Now that being said, I've been doing this eight years.
1694abdc-befc-496d-9aeb-121458bef949-0 This is my third Deloitte study that I've I've talked about and worked on and we've 1694abdc-befc-496d-9aeb-121458bef949-1 been doing this overall for about 1520 years. a11ac7b3-e657-4726-bc7f-ffce11590350-0 It's always been the same. fe8704f6-cc41-4ec8-9757-b2bfec899ae1-0 Essentially there is 3 to I guess it's 2 to 4 million workers will need and half fe8704f6-cc41-4ec8-9757-b2bfec899ae1-1 many of them have always been expected roles have gone unfilled because we don't fe8704f6-cc41-4ec8-9757-b2bfec899ae1-2 have the people with the skills.
44f7401c-f8ca-469a-8de2-862419f6fecf-0 So I think that trend is pretty stable because we have this other trend in 44f7401c-f8ca-469a-8de2-862419f6fecf-1 manufacturing where people don't know about our holes that younger workers. bd56ad19-328e-4832-9d40-d842198603fd-0 And if you think about this has been the case ever since the Great Recession that bd56ad19-328e-4832-9d40-d842198603fd-1 people have been more wary about manufacturing roles. bdab624e-9373-4bb8-8e7d-ff2c3f8834f0-0 Now, ironically, you take another cataclysmic event, bdab624e-9373-4bb8-8e7d-ff2c3f8834f0-1 COVID greatly improve the perception of manufacturing jobs and the durability of bdab624e-9373-4bb8-8e7d-ff2c3f8834f0-2 those jobs, particularly among parents, because we stayed open because we had to bdab624e-9373-4bb8-8e7d-ff2c3f8834f0-3 create everything that for all of us to, to make it through, right?
fc0bc8ec-df01-449d-ad04-aedd9fe6b967-0 So that was a big deal that actually helped boost the perception of fc0bc8ec-df01-449d-ad04-aedd9fe6b967-1 manufacturing careers. fc4c9deb-cc4a-423e-a573-71350864ab1c-0 As we talk more about the technology enabled manufacturing, the 4. fc4c9deb-cc4a-423e-a573-71350864ab1c-1 0 enabled manufacturing that we have today, fc4c9deb-cc4a-423e-a573-71350864ab1c-2 that also helps bring more people in. 5410ab7f-e8c1-4070-b4c1-258121aacad3-0 So it's this weird, right?
61ffd911-498e-4869-93b8-29e9075386f8-0 We've got to have more people understand, understand we've got to talk differently 61ffd911-498e-4869-93b8-29e9075386f8-1 about the skills. bbc745e2-55af-4692-8692-a9f4461198e9-0 So what should companies be doing? f99de5a6-eb3d-4cb6-a6a6-5ee2b581afa4-0 Companies need to think differently about hiring. d1e6be8d-0d14-4773-8383-1dd8301b1af8-0 This is like my new soapbox.
44953893-b086-44d6-9733-a48f91b88e7a-0 We for a long time, I can hear my, you know, 44953893-b086-44d6-9733-a48f91b88e7a-1 point back to my dad and my grandfather. a977fc68-79a3-465c-9376-62963ac6d158-0 What I need is a person who's done this one job like this on this one machine for a977fc68-79a3-465c-9376-62963ac6d158-1 all these years. cbbfb5d1-8275-490b-8971-401dec8be3a1-0 And at 12 years, that's when they know the things that I cbbfb5d1-8275-490b-8971-401dec8be3a1-1 want them to know and that's the person I want to hire.
3af9039f-2a08-4b5d-b5c7-4b9f12ae82c0-0 We don't have a lot of that sitting on the sidelines right now, right? e4e4f7ba-802f-4fbd-93fa-ff801eb695db-0 And So what we need to do and what we advocate for at the Manufacturing e4e4f7ba-802f-4fbd-93fa-ff801eb695db-1 Institute is, is employer LED workforce development e4e4f7ba-802f-4fbd-93fa-ff801eb695db-2 solutions. e9250487-6dd3-4801-9852-5a5048be856e-0 And that doesn't mean the employers are on their own. 9ca1abcc-2a21-4ee8-93b1-b9ac3f505836-0 They got to figure it all out.
523cdf2b-f9fd-41ae-817f-41e5e8f7fbb9-0 It's that employers need to help set the standard for what workforce development 523cdf2b-f9fd-41ae-817f-41e5e8f7fbb9-1 is needed, what the skills are, and then work with entities like us and 523cdf2b-f9fd-41ae-817f-41e5e8f7fbb9-2 with other other facilitators across the country who are bringing manufacturers 523cdf2b-f9fd-41ae-817f-41e5e8f7fbb9-3 together in order to collaborate on training. f46bf7d7-0839-4519-8a85-e4465324db07-0 So I'm I'm branded today for Fame USA.
db88fdfd-ad18-42ce-82d6-9fba0bf32719-0 It's it's our which I didn't do on purpose but is is very fortuitous right db88fdfd-ad18-42ce-82d6-9fba0bf32719-1 now. 666d8380-0687-4ac6-a23d-9ac379016e56-0 FAME is a multi employer earn and learn apprenticeship program that we adopted. 9e238a6a-a1db-4256-9cd7-72101a11bb24-0 We took on from Toyota in 27/20/19. 3eff3194-aac1-4360-9f16-ebb1738b829a-0 Excuse me and at the time it was it had about two hundred 250 companies working 3eff3194-aac1-4360-9f16-ebb1738b829a-1 in nine states 17 locations chapters working together in a collaborative to 3eff3194-aac1-4360-9f16-ebb1738b829a-2 train for a multi skilled maintenance technicians.
6a048a41-413a-4802-a7bb-024d17855ed9-0 Toyota created it to address their own multi skilled maintenance technician gap 6a048a41-413a-4802-a7bb-024d17855ed9-1 to to build more of a talent pool. 43a5857c-d296-4bb0-afce-3541d0b91003-0 It's something most manufacturers with automation or with or, 43a5857c-d296-4bb0-afce-3541d0b91003-1 or any automated equipment need, as well as those companies who are in 43a5857c-d296-4bb0-afce-3541d0b91003-2 supply chain, distribution centers, hospital systems, grocery stores, right?
5f1d2bc1-3864-4e0c-ae23-6cacd15f0680-0 We all need people who can keep this equipment running. 96862bb6-8f97-46e3-814e-69e7bf2436b7-0 So Toyota saw this need. 3e499e25-0d15-4900-99c4-478ffa708c7c-0 They built this program. cb283304-ef7d-42ee-9efb-d3b75597735a-0 They started bringing others into it to help that guarantee enough students in a cb283304-ef7d-42ee-9efb-d3b75597735a-1 cohort that the Community College in the region would commit to providing the cb283304-ef7d-42ee-9efb-d3b75597735a-2 training.
8508f026-d7ec-47f9-be5f-29fe71cd99ae-0 It grew and grew and and 2019 Toyota transitioned it over to the MI for 8508f026-d7ec-47f9-be5f-29fe71cd99ae-1 national stewardship. 88e72ab1-342f-4d3a-8712-8b4161cc4720-0 What we are doing today is we have built a system. 39648e41-df38-464a-bac9-eb5d0d489ef2-0 It's called We Are the end. a13aed41-752f-4649-9b34-06f67b8d49b1-0 Our entity is Fame USA and the network building and supporting the the franchise a13aed41-752f-4649-9b34-06f67b8d49b1-1 as it grows across the country.
13347708-4765-4989-9c56-e19b4c0326ca-0 So we teach regions how to come together, companies to come together to commit to 13347708-4765-4989-9c56-e19b4c0326ca-1 work with Community College to train over 21 months global best multi skilled entry 13347708-4765-4989-9c56-e19b4c0326ca-2 level maintenance technicians and what's appropriate for that particular region 13347708-4765-4989-9c56-e19b4c0326ca-3 like the companies that are in that area. 79b3da83-b158-4d97-b928-be99287f7b9d-0 Yes, it's a actually what there are two yes 79b3da83-b158-4d97-b928-be99287f7b9d-1 and no.
781091f1-8f48-497b-9a93-12fa027811da-0 There's such a Common Core base for maintenance technicians that there's 781091f1-8f48-497b-9a93-12fa027811da-1 enough agreement that these are all the things you need to know, 781091f1-8f48-497b-9a93-12fa027811da-2 electrical and and PLCS and pneumatics and hydraulics and a couple other systems 781091f1-8f48-497b-9a93-12fa027811da-3 that are part of it. fa1fdc0c-5e07-4f6c-85bb-ce3778bd90e0-0 You also get lean manufacturing and manufacturing culture.
b873978e-78b0-4587-a9fb-f2fec73accf9-0 So whether they go into a pharmaceutical company or an oil gas company or a b873978e-78b0-4587-a9fb-f2fec73accf9-1 automotive company or a machine tooling shop, all of the Common Core is the same. 16e02471-4b26-4ce7-be8e-918d9ae95706-0 And then the manufacturers just train for their specific system, right? 8606dbc2-7119-4ece-8c40-1cdc0781b731-0 But there's an agreement on all of the base that's at the center of it, right? e6e91ac4-801a-4a54-836f-691cbe96abe0-0 And, and then all of them work together to e6e91ac4-801a-4a54-836f-691cbe96abe0-1 expand the pool of who to hire instead of all fighting over the same 6 people who e6e91ac4-801a-4a54-836f-691cbe96abe0-2 have that skill set, right?
26e29bb5-b87c-4974-975c-fa48deba8fc2-0 So I use that as an example because today what manufacturer needs to do is identify 26e29bb5-b87c-4974-975c-fa48deba8fc2-1 what are the skills they need, right? ecbb6f7b-19d5-45c1-9cee-2c4da9e4077f-0 What what are the skills that are associated with what roles, ecbb6f7b-19d5-45c1-9cee-2c4da9e4077f-1 how to look at different, look at different talent pools to bring ecbb6f7b-19d5-45c1-9cee-2c4da9e4077f-2 them in. 17b07625-3222-4c73-b80d-0f19209ff9c9-0 Maybe somebody was in the military and and working on a tank and their mechanic 17b07625-3222-4c73-b80d-0f19209ff9c9-1 skills from that actually could apply over here in the private sector.
b72d0cc4-9a6a-463a-9ca4-b9f32843ded1-0 It's not direct. 2cda208c-4d90-49bd-a5db-2cb0244265c3-0 They probably didn't have the same systems, 2cda208c-4d90-49bd-a5db-2cb0244265c3-1 but they have the core skills that would be relevant. 6511b8d3-4be9-49f5-959a-31a0a0c2b203-0 Maybe it's they're coming from a wholly different sector of the economy and those 6511b8d3-4be9-49f5-959a-31a0a0c2b203-1 skills could be applied. 165ae4c6-e6e4-49c0-b342-c7188665b2a8-0 So there's the how to grow the talent pool and then how do you build the talent 165ae4c6-e6e4-49c0-b342-c7188665b2a8-1 pool and develop your own talent pool, which is what we do in fame in that skill 165ae4c6-e6e4-49c0-b342-c7188665b2a8-2 set.
4941c304-7f3f-4a83-af20-33fdb9ed50ea-0 And that's because it's such a huge demand. b2bd730f-13cf-4736-be4f-800850a95e39-0 But what a companies have to do, they have to be able to look and say, b2bd730f-13cf-4736-be4f-800850a95e39-1 this is what I need, how do I get it instead of only going b2bd730f-13cf-4736-be4f-800850a95e39-2 back to I've always hired from this 1° or this one's college or university or b2bd730f-13cf-4736-be4f-800850a95e39-3 somebody with this one specific think.
627729cf-86dc-4158-b698-e82504f98c52-0 Think about the competency rather than the direct experience or go adjacent and 627729cf-86dc-4158-b698-e82504f98c52-1 think about how do we develop a new talent pool to fill that pipeline in a 627729cf-86dc-4158-b698-e82504f98c52-2 consistent way. 454c6f4c-f283-46a3-ab70-694d532683fe-0 And what better way to do it than to work together in your region, 454c6f4c-f283-46a3-ab70-694d532683fe-1 especially because most people are are located near some of their suppliers, 454c6f4c-f283-46a3-ab70-694d532683fe-2 right?
305eda58-49b8-4903-911e-a7b44e07ba97-0 Or their customers. 0b190c9b-84b6-414d-bb96-b0f5114bada5-0 So solve it together. 6efe98f3-01af-4085-b4a1-87531e198bdb-0 And manufacturers, the employers leading that solution can 6efe98f3-01af-4085-b4a1-87531e198bdb-1 really help us close this gap because, yeah, 6efe98f3-01af-4085-b4a1-87531e198bdb-2 there's going to be some technology solutions, 6efe98f3-01af-4085-b4a1-87531e198bdb-3 but then that technology is going to create new jobs that we need to fill too.
f17ac559-c60a-49d4-ae93-a075098ba7ce-0 Yeah, that's a cool program. c4960325-c430-4cdc-a549-85a027a58af6-0 Talk to us a little more about differences between the generation, right? 3e2451da-0d89-409c-8d5a-f78d0cec413d-0 So what, what a worker who has a supply chain, 3e2451da-0d89-409c-8d5a-f78d0cec413d-1 a professional who has, you know, 20-30 years experience needs to be doing 3e2451da-0d89-409c-8d5a-f78d0cec413d-2 and thinking versus, you know, what, what is happening around, you know, 3e2451da-0d89-409c-8d5a-f78d0cec413d-3 the young people and creating that funnel.
7f583f91-91db-4192-8976-0f58e064037c-0 Yeah. 5d73854c-635f-4471-8f6a-cc4a01f7b79e-0 So I would say there's two different levels of it. 3b16d537-5629-4153-abac-2cc76198743c-0 It's like, what should you be doing? df1f2d77-7b6c-483f-a9ff-910d8c4af44c-0 And then there's also what should employers be doing to retain those people df1f2d77-7b6c-483f-a9ff-910d8c4af44c-1 'cause it's, it's particularly important because there df1f2d77-7b6c-483f-a9ff-910d8c4af44c-2 aren't so many people sitting on the sideline with the skills and experience df1f2d77-7b6c-483f-a9ff-910d8c4af44c-3 you need.
08fb75ce-6a65-4716-868d-3f7d75da2d97-0 How do you make sure you keep them? c5883530-9f42-4510-aa4f-145629d7b356-0 So let me tackle the the second one first on the retention side. d026c931-9a8c-4272-88bc-f16f532ac9f6-0 What what we see and this is, and you know, again, d026c931-9a8c-4272-88bc-f16f532ac9f6-1 I said I had three teenagers. b10e9217-cb26-4921-a007-7a8d28172d0c-0 They're like, they hate when I generalize their b10e9217-cb26-4921-a007-7a8d28172d0c-1 especially their generation, right?
40f5dfbe-72d3-42e6-9d59-e121ddc18003-0 And I'm a Gen 79f505c1-a44c-442e-8898-bf6d1ed23caa-0 X, so I'm just happy to be here. f5224132-6044-4641-b692-d2fb8deb1eda-0 I'll take whatever job you tell me to do and I'll run home, right? fa468c7c-58c6-4311-a0a7-64308a519619-0 That's that's like the nature of our generation. 7c10ca4a-43dd-4cb9-b07f-703ffecb7bc3-0 But we're also in a, we're in that crunch where we're caring 7c10ca4a-43dd-4cb9-b07f-703ffecb7bc3-1 for parents and we're caring for kids, many of us.
5d536388-8759-4d62-a043-0737cf523daa-0 And so we're in this caretaker crunch. 95e43c0d-a7dd-4098-84ea-4098f2a9bd04-0 What I need what Gen 272f7db7-29c9-4bd2-ac9a-9f11f0161151-0 X needs your older millennials need is they need some flexibility to manage both 272f7db7-29c9-4bd2-ac9a-9f11f0161151-1 of those demands in their lives. 4ee69c72-cfe9-4207-8fc6-f01ffd2b1682-0 And and if you're caretaking in whatever form or function that's going to require 4ee69c72-cfe9-4207-8fc6-f01ffd2b1682-1 a different set of of needs, your younger workers, 4ee69c72-cfe9-4207-8fc6-f01ffd2b1682-2 your your youngest gens or say your Gen e36e95ab-c5d7-4d7e-9d44-2a6c971412db-0 Z's, they want to know that there's a pathway.
962e6d4a-c694-4a76-a68a-ed5d61b7cc95-0 They want to know that that their employer sees them values them will 962e6d4a-c694-4a76-a68a-ed5d61b7cc95-1 invest in them and they want to know what's next. b4dc71a5-af60-4023-85ae-50225d5b695b-0 Doesn't necessarily always need a promotion, b4dc71a5-af60-4023-85ae-50225d5b695b-1 although I'm sure they would be very open to it. c5f0a4d2-d257-4263-b289-486cd837f358-0 It could mean what skill are you going to invest in me to learn next, c5f0a4d2-d257-4263-b289-486cd837f358-1 right to develop what I as a, as a, as a, you know, for the Gen.
254bb70d-a40a-4cb3-8ce2-b8377c99eede-0 Z's, it's what are they as, as a young worker early in their career? 44bb615e-a2dd-407e-b436-46a7a81454b1-0 What skill are we going to help them gain that will enhance their, you know, 44bb615e-a2dd-407e-b436-46a7a81454b1-1 day-to-day role or their ultimate career goals and aspirations? 29e7d942-560c-4144-be5d-d372aff25ec0-0 But if you're not training them, investing in them, 29e7d942-560c-4144-be5d-d372aff25ec0-1 you will not keep them long.
8592e96b-1d85-4c9b-a83f-6ac543589859-0 And I think that's a really good lesson for all the way through the generations 8592e96b-1d85-4c9b-a83f-6ac543589859-1 for older workers, how are we helping them transition their 8592e96b-1d85-4c9b-a83f-6ac543589859-2 knowledge and share their knowledge with the younger generations? 53c1eb24-9fa9-44d0-a24b-cbc1ef600c95-0 How do we put them in a position to mentor? fc363b00-032c-470f-9d66-e53fcd50815d-0 And this is not just for executives.
d8b5a5d3-00df-42cc-aeb5-db05a6eaf65b-0 This is for anyone in any role that's been there for a long period of time. 13a6fd3f-e040-4b3f-9b2f-ca81b7b7679c-0 How can they be a mentor? ee547144-8565-4dcd-8b10-ebdac82e43c1-0 How can they also benefit from a reverse mentorship from their younger workers? 2c8e2da2-481f-4a32-a7a2-51773b7d6f3a-0 So maybe they're learning things on, you know, I'm, I'm terrible at PowerPoint.
37150e61-7312-42c3-b124-742fcf59e945-0 When I worked in the Senate, like I think we had like, you know, 37150e61-7312-42c3-b124-742fcf59e945-1 stone tablets, we didn't have some of the tools that 37150e61-7312-42c3-b124-742fcf59e945-2 even some of my own peers as they came into our jobs that were fully, you know, 37150e61-7312-42c3-b124-742fcf59e945-3 available to people. 6d790647-da60-450c-ab57-f1830214a8ac-0 So I'm always like, I do this thing in PowerPoint to make 6d790647-da60-450c-ab57-f1830214a8ac-1 this better.
11a6cf58-7820-4b17-8784-ec2a3699fafa-0 Some of our younger workers, they, they're, 11a6cf58-7820-4b17-8784-ec2a3699fafa-1 they're fluent in it and they can help me do better, right? 9f0b5287-535e-4798-9f40-04a0ede51026-0 So how do we share that knowledge back and forth? dc3c7ea1-7238-4861-a746-a1c33b8004b1-0 So all of those things are really key on the retention side, dc3c7ea1-7238-4861-a746-a1c33b8004b1-1 on the attraction side, particularly for anybody younger than Gen. dd5a8393-6155-4240-ae36-28f41c660815-0 X and particularly after COVID.
5ef14a11-aaec-4f53-be5f-e54d5cb95e0f-0 What do you stand for as an organization? a4ffae2b-056f-4a7b-a8b2-60e242901ce9-0 What are your values? 555b6082-a3c1-4cef-b6a5-b6b49f08600f-0 What do you believe in? 9daded77-15c6-471f-b66e-04e0851530e7-0 Right.
4e40f437-cd8f-436d-9105-984fade1e8cd-0 And although the labor market isn't as hot as it was coming out of COVID, 4e40f437-cd8f-436d-9105-984fade1e8cd-1 where we had, you know, there was one point in 2022, 4e40f437-cd8f-436d-9105-984fade1e8cd-2 we had nearly 1,000, 000 open jobs in manufacturing. 394c6443-23ec-435e-a468-0ed2ddbff948-0 I've been doing this eight years. 4626ce8e-64e5-44d1-98fe-24cbcdce7184-0 We've had about 400,000 most of the time. df752462-4356-4c98-b0e4-4921b9b09636-0 Sometimes it's 5550, August of 2022, we had nearly 1,000,000 open jobs.
1da5c4a7-fc7f-49ed-aaaf-a797cfaa20b8-0 And so it was a, an, an employee market, right? 0933ab4f-24d4-469f-ad49-30e89b795fd3-0 There's the buyer and seller market in housing. 886a02f7-e304-4c65-b636-7e160e563bf4-0 This was an employee market and employers had a look and say what am I going to do 886a02f7-e304-4c65-b636-7e160e563bf4-1 to get and keep people and talking about your values, 886a02f7-e304-4c65-b636-7e160e563bf4-2 What do you stand for matters. 96f9623d-3672-41f4-8391-15ce4ec938e1-0 It still matters today.
14a0e41f-12d0-40fe-ba24-10289c2f00e4-0 Even as the mark job markets kind of gotten to a little bit more equilibrium, 14a0e41f-12d0-40fe-ba24-10289c2f00e4-1 it's a little quieter. 6a0205fd-d4a1-40f6-b974-1621c4f3c132-0 So talking about what you believe in, what your values are, 6a0205fd-d4a1-40f6-b974-1621c4f3c132-1 what what your employees can expect and then then it from is a really important 6a0205fd-d4a1-40f6-b974-1621c4f3c132-2 thing for manufacturers. f60450e9-c407-4e3e-b2da-121abb019d87-0 Culture has never been more important than it is, f60450e9-c407-4e3e-b2da-121abb019d87-1 particularly in the years since COVID.
cc85e8f2-d956-4fae-b2d0-ecf50dfe0f7a-0 And it's got to be front and center and directly tied to your attraction and cc85e8f2-d956-4fae-b2d0-ecf50dfe0f7a-1 retention strategy. 66690c3e-ab88-41b3-a412-c113da8d9159-0 People leave jobs and managers, we know this. c9fdd592-21b6-4cb2-9948-47d2e2065820-0 So how are you engaging particularly your frontline supervisors to have have them c9fdd592-21b6-4cb2-9948-47d2e2065820-1 really engage their their workers, right, The frontline workforce in in development c9fdd592-21b6-4cb2-9948-47d2e2065820-2 and not just go in and do your job because it's our youngest workers are c9fdd592-21b6-4cb2-9948-47d2e2065820-3 looking truly for development opportunities and, and, c9fdd592-21b6-4cb2-9948-47d2e2065820-4 and just opportunities at large.
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60efdb20-d319-4407-966c-2d9feac825c1-0 It's funny, before COVID, this is, this would not be your experience, right, 60efdb20-d319-4407-966c-2d9feac825c1-1 From a supply chain company perspective. f588faec-af27-429e-bde6-599d7bab0fab-0 Before COVID it was kind of a very rarely talked about conversation. b18e2627-9b1c-47c4-aa7a-fe2b72c5662b-0 Today it's very, you know, ever since in these last six years, b18e2627-9b1c-47c4-aa7a-fe2b72c5662b-1 it's very much front and center and what are the tools and the technologies and b18e2627-9b1c-47c4-aa7a-fe2b72c5662b-2 what are the systems that people are using and the elemental right bringing it b18e2627-9b1c-47c4-aa7a-fe2b72c5662b-3 front and center.
6ae162da-4ea3-49dd-bf5d-7d9347c915ae-0 We actually, well, it's not on the university level. d154195d-d4de-4cf2-b3ab-1658c3b40058-0 At the Community College level, we have been training these last couple d154195d-d4de-4cf2-b3ab-1658c3b40058-1 of years transitioning service members with entry level certifications for d154195d-d4de-4cf2-b3ab-1658c3b40058-2 supply chain and logistics roles in manufacturing. ce96a29d-ba60-4ec8-b793-75b264f555ce-0 But we're who we're training are people who are coming out of the military with ce96a29d-ba60-4ec8-b793-75b264f555ce-1 supply chain and logistics roles, which of course has a, ce96a29d-ba60-4ec8-b793-75b264f555ce-2 a huge number of women have been in these roles in the military and they what ce96a29d-ba60-4ec8-b793-75b264f555ce-3 they're getting is the civilian certification, ce96a29d-ba60-4ec8-b793-75b264f555ce-4 but they already have all this experience and those, ce96a29d-ba60-4ec8-b793-75b264f555ce-5 those classes fill up immediately and those people get hired immediately ce96a29d-ba60-4ec8-b793-75b264f555ce-6 because the demand is so prevalent.
83042819-b35c-4028-8b6c-8aa1cae0d44a-0 One thing that I have heard from universities and colleges is that they 83042819-b35c-4028-8b6c-8aa1cae0d44a-1 want more company engagement so that we're bringing it to life. e57f5866-3751-413b-8e43-5d1d92dc5395-0 And it's not just this theory. 6eeb2db0-ce0f-4076-a38c-1a1e6cba5381-0 I would say supply chain and logistics could use a, 6eeb2db0-ce0f-4076-a38c-1a1e6cba5381-1 a rebrand because a lot of people are like, wait, it's what? 04fa04e6-b5dc-4e01-b324-11389ef67573-0 And they don't really understand, but it's that elemental role of making 04fa04e6-b5dc-4e01-b324-11389ef67573-1 sure that all the rest of this works, right?
22b22f55-f3c3-44d1-9046-6259793496d4-0 And so how do we bring that forward? 0b6ee7ff-55b8-4c1e-a190-1c86425bb84f-0 And that's where for a lot of universities and and colleges that I've 0b6ee7ff-55b8-4c1e-a190-1c86425bb84f-1 spoken with, you know, they've been interested in getting more 0b6ee7ff-55b8-4c1e-a190-1c86425bb84f-2 companies to bring it to life because when when employers engage at any level 0b6ee7ff-55b8-4c1e-a190-1c86425bb84f-3 of education, you get better outcomes.
1048e5b2-b484-4c3f-b711-6c8448eede69-0 Yeah. cee84229-d3d3-40b1-8bd5-259680b49432-0 And we've definitely had a step change in people's understanding, cee84229-d3d3-40b1-8bd5-259680b49432-1 which is really good. 9a68a1bd-a864-40b7-9817-2cc254a8aaaf-0 So your point about, you know, driving it even further is spot on for 9a68a1bd-a864-40b7-9817-2cc254a8aaaf-1 sure. ae98d358-d8f7-4224-af00-f7ca70493b6b-0 Now tell us as you're looking forward, what are the risks that are out there?
d5157bb8-495a-4e3a-aeda-cb6bc853de1f-0 What are the gotchas that people should be thinking about? 24d0e67e-ff3c-476b-ad42-977ed51ed6d2-0 You know, for a long time at the manufacturing 24d0e67e-ff3c-476b-ad42-977ed51ed6d2-1 institute, we've talked about credentials, right? 722c3043-392a-42c1-810a-b2169aa3e146-0 And and there's a big conversation workforce developed in the world about 722c3043-392a-42c1-810a-b2169aa3e146-1 credentials and skills based hiring. 4bd921a7-323b-4dc4-8d61-b28c599a2ce1-0 And yet and and that that ranges from, you know, 4bd921a7-323b-4dc4-8d61-b28c599a2ce1-1 we offer through our heroes make America initiative, 4bd921a7-323b-4dc4-8d61-b28c599a2ce1-2 our veteran training transition as a military manufacturing transit program.
f513e332-ab53-4f2f-8d34-c95b28e1febe-0 We offer the a pathway for service members to receive digital badges that f513e332-ab53-4f2f-8d34-c95b28e1febe-1 identify the skills that they've earned during their time and service and how f513e332-ab53-4f2f-8d34-c95b28e1febe-2 that aligns to manufacturing certifications and, f513e332-ab53-4f2f-8d34-c95b28e1febe-3 and tasks and roles and, you know, skill priorities, skill buckets. 8691f04d-a25f-4b00-a451-c4df98b01122-0 And it's fantastic for the service members.
c5cdb717-0fdc-4ad6-bc48-1dc04c020f00-0 It really helps them understand, you know, from communication and leadership, c5cdb717-0fdc-4ad6-bc48-1dc04c020f00-1 but also some some hard skills and technical skills. 218d7f61-7a4d-44d9-8a70-a2f5a181af59-0 And it's helpful for them to see then, oh, actually I could do these jobs. 374f51af-c9ad-4db8-92f0-0c7231be68bf-0 The bigger gap is that for manufacturers, we've been hiring the base that the way 374f51af-c9ad-4db8-92f0-0c7231be68bf-1 that we've always been hired hiring.
a663a4d3-2662-42f8-a6f6-feb0978f0c5d-0 And as you look at that, that conversation we had, a663a4d3-2662-42f8-a6f6-feb0978f0c5d-1 that there aren't enough people with the skills we need for the jobs that we have, a663a4d3-2662-42f8-a6f6-feb0978f0c5d-2 we have to look at different pools. df648a0f-6660-4bbc-8171-47d9a4774ab2-0 A talent, maybe it's from the military, maybe it's from a second career, df648a0f-6660-4bbc-8171-47d9a4774ab2-1 a job changer. 5520595c-17db-40e8-a274-d4371cf05025-0 Maybe somebody's coming out of the criminal justice system who had been 5520595c-17db-40e8-a274-d4371cf05025-1 justice involved and they're looking for a new pathway, right?
cfb4d9e3-a8c7-4814-9811-f5b02540fd5c-0 And how do we as employers look at our roles differently? 8432e00f-a195-4050-ab9c-6cb939cb6df3-0 What are the skills that you need that you can teach? 77562093-1538-422e-a36d-d5add8cf82e0-0 What are the skills that you need them to walk in the door with, right? f308d11d-6ee8-44e5-a44c-44f15cb60f82-0 And then how do you adapt your hiring to make sure you're bringing in the widest f308d11d-6ee8-44e5-a44c-44f15cb60f82-1 pool possible?
b70c0e76-9ee1-41cb-b707-d5600d15db10-0 So there's a couple different efforts. 634a0fe0-e3fc-49d0-9e64-70cbc9bfab9d-0 The one's called it's, it's, it's about the glass, the paper ceiling, 634a0fe0-e3fc-49d0-9e64-70cbc9bfab9d-1 right? 51e602be-080f-4def-bd11-053b97aa1aed-0 Ending the paper ceiling. 9b7fc004-e4a3-49f2-ad50-f96f9a72b31c-0 A lot of lot of job requisitions default to, oh, 9b7fc004-e4a3-49f2-ad50-f96f9a72b31c-1 I'm just going to put in a bachelor's degree required.
52186cc7-1195-4738-88d9-8f78e7449c43-0 You might not need one, but it was an easy way just to filter, 52186cc7-1195-4738-88d9-8f78e7449c43-1 you know, applicants. 031ea041-f6f7-4a17-a05a-6d27cef5d103-0 Well, do you really need it? e70f1e75-6adc-420b-b2db-7759c7974371-0 If you don't need it, don't put it there, right. 0e7a9688-a7f3-4a56-8b18-4a4fccde3787-0 How do you think about what experiences you need?
24e1c2c8-c054-42b6-9af7-ed92193d7ae4-0 And we have to change our systems. 483da630-163e-411d-b8ee-35296ecdc49c-0 I was talking about this with somebody again on the soapbox recently and they 483da630-163e-411d-b8ee-35296ecdc49c-1 said to me, yeah, but no one's ever been in trouble with a 483da630-163e-411d-b8ee-35296ecdc49c-2 with a, with a hiring manager when because you 483da630-163e-411d-b8ee-35296ecdc49c-3 hired somebody with a degree, even if they didn't need it for the role, 483da630-163e-411d-b8ee-35296ecdc49c-4 right, Versus some taking a risk on somebody 483da630-163e-411d-b8ee-35296ecdc49c-5 else.
80bb835f-628e-4fcf-b7dd-a9807573b3b3-0 We got to change our behavior because our talent population is really changing 80bb835f-628e-4fcf-b7dd-a9807573b3b3-1 right now. 49904ae1-45eb-4f15-97a8-e99826bffca1-0 You can get away with doing what you always done. 65f35e7c-dcf4-49ee-9796-9ed2c06e361a-0 We're not going to always be able to the the public perception and and public 65f35e7c-dcf4-49ee-9796-9ed2c06e361a-1 momentum for say 4 year degrees has changed cost of education, 65f35e7c-dcf4-49ee-9796-9ed2c06e361a-2 The people not getting jobs that that pay the level of of debt that they may carry.
97d67632-2fa0-45bd-9473-d208bb409986-0 And I'm not a everybody has to go to college or not go to college. 1b1e6fbe-3bfa-4318-bcbd-5a7e35c9779c-0 Like I'm not where those people. 207b4d11-9dd3-4800-9b46-66aa8ee54724-0 We need all of the things, right? ff9636a7-9187-4422-a9db-c534acb88994-0 There's many pathways to opportunity.
0336d19d-3cb5-41a0-9744-4bf38d897ac4-0 What I always preach is that you have to get the skills you need for the job you 0336d19d-3cb5-41a0-9744-4bf38d897ac4-1 want. 3a40b9b5-a43e-4573-a241-a0174758983f-0 Identify the job you want. c533d7a3-ade2-4c87-bcbe-8b9496670fec-0 What is what is give our prerequisites for that? 5dd77f1e-2cb9-4c49-9bbc-cbf3a13e906b-0 But manufacturers need to be looking at that differently because the population 5dd77f1e-2cb9-4c49-9bbc-cbf3a13e906b-1 is changing so dramatically right now.
f2c5fbae-08a5-4531-81f2-e7ecfffe6019-0 And we're going to be left in a bind if we haven't built up the muscle memory to f2c5fbae-08a5-4531-81f2-e7ecfffe6019-1 do this differently as we go forward. 6795d0dd-732c-4cce-b14c-acc9fac00166-0 Yeah, I love it. d82ac103-188f-4565-91c4-b73566d72c07-0 So you talked about the FAME program and then some of the work that you're doing d82ac103-188f-4565-91c4-b73566d72c07-1 with service members. b8e42177-7685-4b28-855c-ec0edc8dfa8e-0 Are there other programs that the manufacturing institute is supporting or b8e42177-7685-4b28-855c-ec0edc8dfa8e-1 driving?
b972bdea-1043-4813-a614-6257d9b21d6e-0 Yeah, absolutely. b28424ce-47c1-4e43-9ffe-8c092e62235d-0 So one of the things, and this is like the easiest entry, b28424ce-47c1-4e43-9ffe-8c092e62235d-1 the biggest thing that we do, every company in the manufacturing b28424ce-47c1-4e43-9ffe-8c092e62235d-2 ecosystem needs to open their doors and bring in their local students. 075ffe54-4416-41cc-bbb6-98892f036bad-0 And I say students, I mean, starting in 4th grade all the way through 075ffe54-4416-41cc-bbb6-98892f036bad-1 your university and college students two year and four year.
616ade54-c0f5-4137-b265-b2c15ef481e7-0 And you know, even beyond, most people don't understand what we do 616ade54-c0f5-4137-b265-b2c15ef481e7-1 in our sector, right? 78613eb7-d78c-4c64-8a3c-2f935ac2052c-0 They don't they, they hear supply chain, they hear, you know, 78613eb7-d78c-4c64-8a3c-2f935ac2052c-1 manufacturing operations. 3a4c71fc-4db6-4804-81a1-3c63ebd1099f-0 They don't know when we go out and we try to talk about perception and, 3a4c71fc-4db6-4804-81a1-3c63ebd1099f-1 and challenge with perception manufacturing before it's all tied back 3a4c71fc-4db6-4804-81a1-3c63ebd1099f-2 to people don't know.
1b71da04-d3a5-4806-a5d0-10cdd599cd01-0 You can't be what you can't see, right? ae066f7a-1a51-4c2b-b114-f4dad1e6f932-0 Why do most kids want to be a teacher, a nurse, a doctor, a police officer, fire? a9c2e6a1-1b62-45b3-944b-c07357016d5a-0 Because it's things that they can see, right? 1f597dbf-1d3e-4692-9973-24f86652f0b2-0 So we have to open our doors and bring people in.
6a76be7f-8e7e-422a-a24b-3316bebb211d-0 So we support what's known as National MFG Day, manufacturing days, 6a76be7f-8e7e-422a-a24b-3316bebb211d-1 the 1st Friday, the every October. 4c4b17db-947b-4a78-ab8a-9bb1e4b11e5a-0 But quite honestly, do it any day that works for you and your 4c4b17db-947b-4a78-ab8a-9bb1e4b11e5a-1 local schools where we build tools and resources to help manufacturers figure 4c4b17db-947b-4a78-ab8a-9bb1e4b11e5a-2 out what they need to do, how to invite local schools in, 4c4b17db-947b-4a78-ab8a-9bb1e4b11e5a-3 and then what do you do with them when you bring them on site.
b7c9ea3d-535e-4361-bc1b-b8d9c9f45b7f-0 And we encourage companies of all sizes to do this. 40b77a1b-3ffd-4a2e-8062-8645b18186a8-0 And not just students, but also parents. b74d2643-3213-43f4-be32-3f4cb8b95d5e-0 So if we just take a step, if we got, you know, b74d2643-3213-43f4-be32-3f4cb8b95d5e-1 we think we had about 3-4 thousand different manufacturing day events last b74d2643-3213-43f4-be32-3f4cb8b95d5e-2 year. 3de353c4-956d-4506-ae89-65f2af9c510a-0 It's really hard to tell because it's become a very grassroots effort ever 3de353c4-956d-4506-ae89-65f2af9c510a-1 since COVID.
12cbb350-e2f2-4e53-a6af-b11d376ab267-0 But we know there were thousands and thousands of these events happening 12cbb350-e2f2-4e53-a6af-b11d376ab267-1 across the country. 896dc144-6ba2-4031-ad9d-73efc4fe3075-0 If we just had 5% more, we would open people's eyes to the 896dc144-6ba2-4031-ad9d-73efc4fe3075-1 potential for different kinds of careers. 853288e8-d8f5-471e-8b37-f6617add09a9-0 And here's the kicker. 681c9f6a-a944-4030-bb75-4c8eb11b8a7c-0 Not only does it open people's eyes and bring them in and dispel preconceived 681c9f6a-a944-4030-bb75-4c8eb11b8a7c-1 notions of The Dirty, dark and dangerous and all of that and 681c9f6a-a944-4030-bb75-4c8eb11b8a7c-2 change the perception for parents.
c30cfa75-1bb2-438b-b008-18a212053fa1-0 And who are the most important influencers in a student's career choice c30cfa75-1bb2-438b-b008-18a212053fa1-1 After the students own experience. a7c7dc38-ca28-4d9b-b6ad-c3d02a5dd64f-0 So their experience matters and their parents experience matters. c3ba1707-bce3-4f4a-a27a-05e6c0195d94-0 Bring them both in. 92cdd9c6-42c3-472f-ac71-a44cbbd8cddf-0 It also helps your current workers because nothing makes a worker more 92cdd9c6-42c3-472f-ac71-a44cbbd8cddf-1 excited about what they do than being able to tell somebody else, hey, 92cdd9c6-42c3-472f-ac71-a44cbbd8cddf-2 what I do matters.
32daeec8-3107-4790-8a70-efd30815b0f4-0 It's cool, it's innovative. b708b5bf-242b-44ad-8e96-a7d4218de243-0 I've this is my career, right? ca5a4277-4a44-4696-b588-86f7fb905abd-0 I'm excited about my own career because I got to just tell you guys about it, right? 30968b5b-ad08-447c-8088-c1d3aafe859a-0 So when you bring people in and you let your own workers talk about why what they 30968b5b-ad08-447c-8088-c1d3aafe859a-1 do matters, it reinforces to them that they have a 30968b5b-ad08-447c-8088-c1d3aafe859a-2 role, the part of a team, their mission matters.
aa494c75-998e-4a59-8e7a-522767130bb7-0 And all of that's good for morale, which is good for retention and then for aa494c75-998e-4a59-8e7a-522767130bb7-1 attraction, all these things. bdafb5b7-5d99-4ff2-b702-9dddd98bb9db-0 So manufacturing day is a super easy way to engage locally, bdafb5b7-5d99-4ff2-b702-9dddd98bb9db-1 to build those connections in your community, right, bdafb5b7-5d99-4ff2-b702-9dddd98bb9db-2 And to help build your workforce development ecosystem, bdafb5b7-5d99-4ff2-b702-9dddd98bb9db-3 which eventually is going to help you or your supplier.
f34af027-9515-41e1-b87d-c782641cee77-0 So that is another part of our student engagement initiative. ec66a9ce-dcd3-46bf-998e-fde98261e791-0 And then we also do work around on the program side, our STEP initiative, ec66a9ce-dcd3-46bf-998e-fde98261e791-1 which alone has had many winners over the years, ec66a9ce-dcd3-46bf-998e-fde98261e791-2 where we highlight and recognize women and allies in manufacturing who are ec66a9ce-dcd3-46bf-998e-fde98261e791-3 leading, who are role models, who are helping make change both on their ec66a9ce-dcd3-46bf-998e-fde98261e791-4 in their companies, but also in their communities.
3df9ec8a-8d79-467a-a15c-916d34377d5a-0 And we are barreling towards our 2026 event, which will be held in late August, 3df9ec8a-8d79-467a-a15c-916d34377d5a-1 excuse me, April in DC, where we'll recognize this year's winners, 3df9ec8a-8d79-467a-a15c-916d34377d5a-2 which will include a whole class of champions who are helping support, 3df9ec8a-8d79-467a-a15c-916d34377d5a-3 bringing more women and allies into the sector. 4e996237-72f2-4125-8914-b9ac19e93386-0 And so we're really looking forward to that event this year.
be5d6a5f-b67c-498b-af65-e9498e1ff912-0 Those are two really great programs for sure. 875f6979-d027-4e23-88c6-42ef288e612b-0 Yeah, Elon gets involved with both of those 875f6979-d027-4e23-88c6-42ef288e612b-1 things. 934b7917-315a-4c56-ae12-607717efa5bb-0 And we really enjoy it. caf61285-cd63-495c-b3d3-57319c965294-0 When you see the students walking around and the in the warehouse and just kind of caf61285-cd63-495c-b3d3-57319c965294-1 the looks on their faces and it's it's great.
71faa33f-7088-4c75-8cda-75faee9f04f3-0 They have no idea what happens in these big buildings back on the road. b81801aa-4db6-4126-9107-b6d1ec969024-0 That's right. b75eda83-a7bc-4606-b4b2-377c8f82c1dc-0 That's right. 0d11111e-7520-49dc-bd2e-c45f07c8d3c6-0 I mean, I think it's really encouraging just to 0d11111e-7520-49dc-bd2e-c45f07c8d3c6-1 see how all those programs are opening up the doors for individuals and also 0d11111e-7520-49dc-bd2e-c45f07c8d3c6-2 helping companies to figure out the way forward and how to modernize a little bit 0d11111e-7520-49dc-bd2e-c45f07c8d3c6-3 the way that they're thinking about manufacturing.
fbb0f1e0-2dc3-44dd-8782-866f3ef0a860-0 Because, you know, not everybody had your dad and your fbb0f1e0-2dc3-44dd-8782-866f3ef0a860-1 grandfather to kind of bring them in and show them those kinds of things. e6e045a6-d3ba-4834-b601-9a8ca3a65f3b-0 Any other resources that you want to share? f2217b19-bcdd-411d-b81a-3f7d3f9c79ad-0 Oh, there's so many things. bfe9288c-e67d-4680-a0b1-cd5bc64a1756-0 It's all there.
7d839f1b-782d-469a-838b-decf13a9117b-0 Fame, famehyphenusa. com is where you can find information 7d839f1b-782d-469a-838b-decf13a9117b-1 about fame And we're continually spreading. 0f36efa8-abd2-4d5a-aeba-e2ce32508e03-0 We actually launched I think about a year and a half ago, 0f36efa8-abd2-4d5a-aeba-e2ce32508e03-1 our first California themed chapter in the Fresno area. 1d6ca343-174b-424e-8771-9fb5bae8b77e-0 And, but they're in in states all across the 1d6ca343-174b-424e-8771-9fb5bae8b77e-1 country.
66306cac-5ab1-4e1a-9f3a-801b121cb309-0 And, but you can find information on all of 66306cac-5ab1-4e1a-9f3a-801b121cb309-1 these topics and at the themanufacturinginstitute. 66306cac-5ab1-4e1a-9f3a-801b121cb309-2 org and help make sure that we're advancing. aa7c4d2d-05c4-4d6f-aed7-604e6e88b8c1-0 We have one, we have one and that's making sure that aa7c4d2d-05c4-4d6f-aed7-604e6e88b8c1-1 people are able to make their lives better through good manufacturing jobs. 16b574da-914c-44e4-8867-d4c074f6b549-0 And so our focus and mission on building and strengthening manufacturing workforce 16b574da-914c-44e4-8867-d4c074f6b549-1 is how we get there.
4f7d66e5-94d4-4fc1-ac9e-8bdb5b8790b8-0 And we are here and available as a resource to all. 91efbb8c-a5fe-4fce-866b-fdb83e3a63ce-0 Just let us know what you need. aa617f08-3698-4979-8ec0-9be3d57cb34a-0 Love it. a1609d43-3f17-4c5e-b2e7-10c73a94e9e2-0 Carolyn, we do have one final question for you.
c23d5d2f-fe28-47e7-8edc-f25d0c69fa1a-0 I know you travel all around the world for your job and you have to do lots of c23d5d2f-fe28-47e7-8edc-f25d0c69fa1a-1 speaking engagements, but I am curious, what's the best vacation that you've ever c23d5d2f-fe28-47e7-8edc-f25d0c69fa1a-2 taken? 218aa11c-82a3-49ed-9779-6468591fede5-0 Or do you have like a dream destination that you would love to go to? 45b5a868-3485-4490-b8df-1de3d137c5d3-0 Oh, my kids are teenagers and we've been 45b5a868-3485-4490-b8df-1de3d137c5d3-1 really fortunate to do a lot of different trips with them.
4f1db880-cc52-4f71-a25e-a9c42708036d-0 And this is so hard. ed7b7b8f-6cdb-4d3f-9d01-f24101932139-0 A year ago we had a couple of big birthdays and big events and we decided ed7b7b8f-6cdb-4d3f-9d01-f24101932139-1 on a whim to take the kids to Rome for and that was over Christmas. f41e7b8e-8d80-4b43-97d8-779a2f385f30-0 And that was an amazing trip to be only counted by. d652b0fa-ab42-4d71-bf73-0faa85b00208-0 We did an RV trip on the parks out five parks in national parks in Utah and d652b0fa-ab42-4d71-bf73-0faa85b00208-1 Arizona.
1a54f2d0-52ca-45a6-b2d8-1d6be9337286-0 And that was awesome. bb224be1-0220-48ed-9439-20842537d8ff-0 I'd always wanted to do an RV trip, and I guess I was probably happy my kids bb224be1-0220-48ed-9439-20842537d8ff-1 were young enough that they all wanted to be locked in the vehicle together for a bb224be1-0220-48ed-9439-20842537d8ff-2 week. 44fcee71-6070-4c5b-b77a-94d574ca48c8-0 But it was amazing and it was amazing to have them see just the vastness of the 44fcee71-6070-4c5b-b77a-94d574ca48c8-1 American, you know, countryside and and out West, 44fcee71-6070-4c5b-b77a-94d574ca48c8-2 right like it, it's hard to put to words.
17d3a690-96d2-44e7-8e43-4992dc0787d4-0 So those are two of our greatest trips and very fortunate to get to do that with 17d3a690-96d2-44e7-8e43-4992dc0787d4-1 the kids. a373b1e1-6f07-4d05-9443-41ed4febe2f5-0 I also tell them about my manufacturing trips all over the country. be186836-423e-43dc-adf2-45ff53c37f24-0 But you know, I, I keep telling them I got to bring them be186836-423e-43dc-adf2-45ff53c37f24-1 out to manufacturing day this year because I've got my oldest one knows what be186836-423e-43dc-adf2-45ff53c37f24-2 she wants to do.
51299f77-5567-47a8-a679-2278ca378447-0 My younger too. e108c385-0e24-4452-bf35-7afbaa05a9f5-0 No idea. 807269f1-778e-4712-a9cd-cbde2697e22c-0 I got to get to work on that because say you got to get get to get to work on your 807269f1-778e-4712-a9cd-cbde2697e22c-1 family as well. 2de53ab5-03ad-4eef-b719-280e0cee8b3e-0 They get them while they're young, right?
1bec435f-da40-479b-9579-139e758a9dde-0 That's amazing. d91476bc-390c-43d1-8a9a-303b8b26deeb-0 Carolyn, thank you so much for your time today. a774c2fc-ef57-499e-bf78-9f64b1be33e7-0 Carolyn Lee is the president and executive director of the Manufacturing a774c2fc-ef57-499e-bf78-9f64b1be33e7-1 Institute. 6ea6de4f-6364-4fa4-b69d-afc30d9dc1a2-0 And I, we really appreciate you being our guest 6ea6de4f-6364-4fa4-b69d-afc30d9dc1a2-1 today on Smart Supply Chain.
089cd97d-a174-45ee-adbd-03afbcc21024-0 Thanks everybody, from myself and also my sister and supply 089cd97d-a174-45ee-adbd-03afbcc21024-1 chain. 8aceed23-01b6-4e0b-9620-43c72aba9b25-0 We'll catch you next time. b84d6fb1-48f2-458b-bcf1-45e3b8b5b6c3-0 Or you can look at us up on alum.com.
c09121bc-8510-4807-9512-af4c03932fa8-0 Thank you. bac19688-deb6-4c88-a4ce-fb7cac67fcc0-0 Thanks for having me.
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