Interview: Developing Confidence Practices with Diane Foster

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Speaker B: Hi, I'm Adrian, a passionate entrepreneur, podcast consultant and the host of she's so Cool, a female empowerment podcast designed to help you up level your mindset and your business by providing you with stories about and interviews with strong and influential women who are pursuing their passions in life. This show discusses the psychosocial phenomena that impact women and how to overcome them so you can experience more happiness and success in your life and business. You'll also learn about how to use your unique strengths to be an activist that fights for justice while serving your community. Welcome to she's so Cool where each episode will inspire you to embrace who you are, love yourself fiercely, and pursue your dreams. She's so Cool is hosted by Adrienne White and produced by Fempower Media. For more information or to get in touch, visit fempowermedia.com. Before we get started, I want to let you know that this episode includes stories about domestic violence. This topic may be difficult for some listeners. Check the episode description for resources if you or someone you know needs help or support. I'm so, uh, excited to let you know that one of my podcast launch consulting clients, Maren Montalbano, just launched her podcast, the Bodice Ripper Project. Let's take a listen to her trailer.

Speaker A: Imagine you are in a chorus dressing room at an opera house and people are running around in their underwear, joking, telling secrets and becoming a family. Her ample, um, bosom spilled out over the top of her bodice, heaving with each breath she took. I'm Maren Montalbano, opera singer, coach and creator of the Bodice Ripper Project. It was in the dressing room that I started writing Bodice Rippers. Sexy, silly scenes from my fellow choristers. As we waited backstage between scenes at the opera, Benedetta gasped in protest and he took the opportunity to plunder her mouth with his tongue. But the more I wrote, the more I realized these stories meant something deeper to me. Tales of women who were unapologetic about taking their own pleasure, whose persistence through adversity is rewarded with a happy ending. These stories have played a part in healing some of my own childhood traumas. So now my intention is to tell these stories as models of strength through delight, so that you might be able to tap into the same well of confidence that I did. The mere memory was enough to make his nethers begin to stir. That's how the Bodice Ripper Project was born, as an exploration of sexuality, feminism, and the journey to self confidence through the lens of romance novels. Now I invite you to come into the dressing room and listen to stories of love, sex, and silliness. Who knows, by the end of this, you might be tempted to rip your own bodice and let your true self out. The Bodice Ripper Project. Subscribe on itunes, Google Play, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker B: If this show sounds interesting to you, check the episode description for links to Maren's podcast and social media, uh, platforms. On this episode, I interviewed Diane Foster, the founder of Wally Bird Productions, a production company committed to producing projects with diverse talent, gender equality, and creating teams responsible for films that push the envelope with high entertainment value and substance. Throughout this episode, you'll hear Diane talk about the importance of amplifying diverse stories and the voices of women. She gets vulnerable by sharing how she rediscovered herself and her passions through therapy. You'll also hear her talk about her journey to changing her mindset, embracing self, love, and developing confidence, Practices that helped her reclaim her identity and step into her power. I'm so excited for you to hear Diane's story, so let's dive in. So I want to hear your journey to starting Wally Bird Productions.

Speaker C: Well, I had wanted to have a production company for several years. I had been a freelance, uh, producer for many years. And I just felt that I was, you know, cultivating all these teams of people that I was putting together. And I was like, you know, I'd like to have this be under one banner. And I always go back to the same people all the time because we just have a great flow, and I know I can trust them. So I was like, I'm going to do this. And, um, I just couldn't think of a name. It was like, I had so many different ones. I was like, Trippy Blonde at one point. It was Whoa, Man Productions at another point. And I was like, nah, none of that stuff really rings true to, like, who I am. And I wanted it to be something that was, um, really special. Um, so I started it in 2018. Um, it was the same year that my brother passed away tragically, uh, from a family of six. So, uh, there was five girls and one boy. He was the only boy. And it was the name that we used to call him as a child. It was his childhood nickname. He, um, was really tall and fun and had a big, giant smile. And we used to call him Wally Bird. So I thought to myself, wow, that would be so awesome to honor my brother. And I thought it was a really unique name, not something that you normally hear. And it was also fun and representative of the kind of person that he was. So I, uh, spoke to my mom and dad about it. I wanted to get their blessings and make sure that that was something that would be okay. And they were absolutely 100% behind me supporting it. And, um, felt that it would really be an honor to honor his life. And, um, I'm just so grateful that I've been able to begin it and had a lot of support so far from, um, everybody that I've worked with over the years.

Speaker B: So, yeah, um, thank you so much for sharing that. So you created Wally Bird on the idea that women are powerful and strong and that their voices matter. Can you tell me more about what your company does to stay committed to producing projects with diverse talent and gender equality?

Speaker C: Yes, definitely. Uh, one of the things that I noticed over the years of being a freelance producer was there was a lot of roles for women that were not being filled, uh, specifically behind the camera. You know, most crews are filled with men. And not that that's an issue per se, it's just that we need to be having those kinds of, uh, roles filled by women who are very capable and very talented. It's just they don't get the opportunity very often to do so. So one of the things of why I started my production company and the main reason of why I wanted to get women in these key position is to give them an opportunity that they don't normally have. And that goes the same thing for getting diverse talent in projects. You know, to me, representation matters and we don't see that often enough. And I want to be a company that really, you know, we wrap our arms around that kind of thing. We're really interested in those kind of projects. And I've been lucky enough to be working with people that are diverse and that our crews do have gender equality. And that's something that is absolutely 100% my goal, continuing on, moving forward with everything that Wally Bird Productions does.

Speaker B: So I'm just curious, this is not a pre planned question that I had, but do you have like a favorite female producer or female director that you really look up to?

Speaker C: Yes, I do. Um, I have several, actually. Um, I would say the three, the top three that I have is Ava DuVernay, Lena Waithe and Reese Witherspoon. Um, I would say Ava DuVernay is obviously, um, absolutely, to me, one of the most incredible director producers around. I just think that all of everything she touches turns to gold. Um, and she's just so smart and seems so lovely and I would love to work with her someday and just, even just Being in the same room, I'm sure I would just be like fan girling the whole time. Um, and then with Lena, Waithe same thing. Her film, um, Queen and Slim affected me so much, I was literally weeping and weeping. I took my 14 year old daughter to see it and her and I both were blown away. Um, I think that, you know, what she's doing, um, you know, for, for, for black females, um, for, you know, queer culture all around is absolutely amazing. And I just think she's so important. You know, she has so much to say and you know, she's not afraid of it, which is so badass. So again, another fan girl moment. And then, uh, definitely. Reese Witherspoon to me is somebody who is just phenomenal. She's been able to go from actor to producer to, you know, owning her own production company just seamlessly. And I just think that she is such a big supporter of all of, you know, everything, her friends, everything that's going on. And I really, I really like to think that like, that is 100%, like the same kind of career path that I want to be able to have is, um, you know, getting the stories out that really matter, giving people a voice, um, you know, a platform for their voice. And um, yeah, so those are my, those are definitely my top three.

Speaker B: I love that so much. That's so great. So you grew up in a large family, which is where you discovered your love for entertaining. Throughout your adolescence, performing was a large part of your identity. Can you tell me about your journey to rediscovering this passion through therapy?

Speaker C: Yes. I was the little entertainer of my family because being the youngest, I always say I had to sing for my supper. I had to say, watch me, watch me. Hey, look at me, look at me. Uh, because there were so many bigger kids around me. My oldest sister is 18 years older than me. You know, I really was the baby. And the youngest before me is 11 years older than me. So I truly was everyone's baby. So I think that is really where I'm telling you. A lot of my entertainment came in because I needed to get noticed. So the way that was was with tap shoes or song or something like that. Performing was just natural to me. And in my senior year of high school, I, uh, won a very awesome award called the Rising Star Award, which is like the Tony Award essentially for high schools. And, um, I won best actress for my performance of Princess Winifred in Once Upon a Mattress, which was made famous by Carol Burnett and then Sarah Jessica Parker. Uh, so that's a. It was a really fun role, a great time in my life. I was just turning 18 years old, um, you know, headed off to the wild blue yonder of what would be the entertainment business. And it just was a very free time. I was totally myself. I, uh, had no attachments other than to what I really wanted and who I really was. So when I got into therapy, after many years of a very difficult marriage, my therapist said, you know, I want to bring you to a time when you remember how happy you truly were. And other than having my children and you know that during that time, they're teenagers now, but it was when I was 18 years old and when I was, you know, at this moment of my life when I was truly free. And that word really became something so important to me. Being free, freedom, you know, um, so it was a, like a. Whoa. Moment in therapy going, oh, that's what I was doing when I was happy. So that then led me back to acting first and foremost, and getting me back to what I began, which was years of study now at the Beverly Hills Playhouse. And I'm so fortunate that I had that time. And really grateful to that therapist because he really did get me in the mindset of true healing. And it was healing from within, healing from a place of freedom that gave me the courage to be where I am now.

Speaker B: Oh, so good.

Speaker C: So good.

Speaker B: Oh, uh, you're a great storyteller.

Speaker C: Oh, thank you.

Speaker B: So you said that going to therapy helped you find your true self. Can you talk more about what led you to seek therapy and the lessons you learned along the way?

Speaker C: Yeah, um, I had been married very young. I got married when I was, uh, about 22 years old, or, I'm sorry, not married, but I met my ex husband when I was about 22. And I think when you're that young, you don't really know yourself enough. I mean, I'm almost 40, and I'm still learning about myself every single day. I had gotten into, um, this marriage, and I think for a long time I allowed a lot of things to go on that maybe if I was older, had had more experience, would not have actually let happen. And a lot of that was physical, mental, verbal, psychological abuse that over the years, I didn't really recognize. It wasn't until I got older and into my 30s that I started to realize this is not something that's normal or even right. We had had a very tumultuous time, and certainly not all of the marriage was negative, but we had had, uh, a difficult time and it led to some physicality, which then led to me actually having to go to jail. And I spent some time having to fight my way out of that. I was defending myself. And when the police showed up, I explained to them how I had been in an abusive marriage for all these years. And I said I was defending myself. And in that defense, they said, well, you have admitted now to defending yourself, so we have to take you in. So I was charged with a felony domestic violence charge, which is no small thing. And it was definitely the lowest point of my life, personally, that I have ever been through, because I am by no means a violent person at all. I don't even like confrontation. And I had never been in trouble before. When that came crashing down on me, I really was scared. I had certainly never been to jail before. And, you know, all you see is what you see in the movies. And I just didn't know what to expect. The next few years were hard because I had to, you know, first of all, expunge getting rid of a. A felony domestic violence charge, um, which thankfully, didn't take very long because, of course, there was no other evidence of me ever, you know, defending myself for all these years. And I had to have a lot of people write letters about the kind of person that I was. And that, unfortunately, um, that whole experience really opened my eyes to what I was living in. I was actually like a bird in a cage, which I ended up in a cage. I think, you know, going through all of that, it certainly has made me a different person. But when I was in, you know, going to. Having to go to court for that, um, I had to go. One of the requirements was to go see a therapist. She said to me, you know, my God, I can't believe you've been living this long in this marriage that is abusive, and what are you gonna do? And I didn't really know what I was going to do because my whole plan was gonna get married, and, well, eventually we're gonna die together and we'll be buried in the same plot. You know, that was. That was the deal. I didn't really think that there was any other way. But with that experience and unfortunately, my ex husband not being supportive and, uh, allowing that to go down, I realized this is not right. I really need to change my life. And after all of that was said and done and we started to separate, certainly I started seeing another therapist because I had had years of ptsd, which I didn't even realize that I had. I had stuffed so much down, and it had become normal for me to sort of live in this lifestyle, um, of abuse. And still to this day, I cope with what that is and what I did allow to happen. And I'm still recovering from that and trying to continually be at peace and find the peace in my life. But through therapy, I really did find that I found a way back to myself. And it has not been easy. It really has not. Because around every corner I wanted to go back to what I knew, which was a marriage. And that was not healthy in any way, shape or form. It was a detriment not only to myself, but to my children, to my family, to everything that was going on in my life. As afraid as I was in leaving has allowed so much peace and joy to come from it that I never would have imagined if I were to have said to myself five years ago, listen, it's going to be okay. It's going to be a little crazy and it's going to be really hard and you're going to go through times when you don't know if you can buy food or dry your clothes, but you will make it and you will get through this. You just have to have the faith to do it and believe in yourself.

Speaker B: Oh, uh, thank you. I really, you know, when you were talking earlier about your production company and you're talking about, you know, sharing these stories and giving people a platform, like, that's really what I am also trying to do through my podcast. And so, you know, hearing your story and hearing, you know, the challenges that you've overcome and seeing where you are now and seeing, you know, watching your facial expression tell this story, it's just like, you are very strong. You're very strong and I really appreciate you being vulnerable and sharing these parts of your life with me.

Speaker C: Thank you so much. I think it's really important because especially when you're involved in a relationship like that, you don't realize, you really don't, how difficult and what a bad thing it is for you. You know, no one should be in, in an abusive situation. No one. And you have to have a lot of strength. And unfortunately, it's like the double edged sword. Well, where do I get the strength from if I don't even know that it's there? You know, So I think it's such an important thing to talk about because. Because domestic violence is something that continually goes on at crazy numbers daily all over the world. And it's really unfortunate. And until you can become empowered and say, I'm not going to allow that to happen, Anymore. I'm not going to allow anyone to treat me this way. I'm going to have enough self love and I'm going to have enough respect for myself that, that, that's when it will stop. And that's the hard thing because just getting there so the more education that we have around it, showing you know, more stories about it so that women and men can see how important it is to, to treat each other well, that's like a, I don't know, it's something I feel is not said or done enough. Treating each other well, that's such a, uh, you know, why do, why do we not go to that first? And I think that's the thing, you know, even as far as, even in school, it would be great to educate children, uh, as young as we possibly can about self love and respect. You know, there is not a course like that in school and it should be one because you have to go out into the world and you actually have to get along with people and if you don't have those social skills or you know, you weren't around that growing up or whatever it may be, if we have a chance, we have to really spend time doing that and bringing that forward for as many people as we possibly can. And I want to tell those stories. I think they're really important.

Speaker B: And so you mentioned self love. So you stated that the term self love wasn't a part of your vocabulary until a few years ago. I love that you've been listening to Beautiful chorus every morning as a part of your self love practice. I also love beautiful chorus, um, and listen to them in the morning. And you also started discerning if certain things in your life are helpful or harmful for your well being by talking yourself through situations. How has this impacted your mindset over the last year?

Speaker C: Well, self love has been an absolutely beautiful relationship. It's the best relationship I've ever had certainly. And I realized that by allowing myself to love myself is uh, something that I didn't even realize I could. So over the last year, taking into account and really making sure that I set myself up, um, every day for goodness to come to myself. And you really have to do that because if you forget you can get off track. So that's why I really do listen every single morning to mantras in love because it's really important to get yourself grounded and say, you know, I'm going to come from this place, place and life is going to throw all kinds of stuff at you every single day. But if you can ground yourself and go from there. I really believe that you're. You're doing yourself so much good. And if you don't, you are doing yourself a disservice. And you should be 100% the one that you're looking out for every single day, because who else do you have, really? At the end, we have to look at ourselves and say, we got to love ourselves because that is who we have. We got to be comfortable with being alone with ourselves. And that's really hard to do. It's not something that I ever even thought of. And in the beginning, when I first got divorced and I was on my own completely, it was a very, very difficult task to actually say to myself every day, you must love yourself, and what is it that you want to do today? I didn't even know what those answers were because I didn't even know who I was yet. I'm still learning that every day. And I think that if you can realize that you are always a beginner, you're always learning about yourself, you're always learning about everything that's going on in our lives, other people, then you're interested in putting time into learning about yourself. And I think that over this last year, in doing so, it's opened up an amazing amount of opportunities that I actually had cut off because I wasn't open and loving myself enough. And now that I am, I feel that it's finally opening up this entire world. And it's gotten me not only closer to myself, but closer to all the relationships that I have in my life. And for that, I am seriously grateful.

Speaker B: When you decided to make freedom your priority, you had to relearn a lot of things. What steps did you take to find your identity again?

Speaker C: I think everything in your life, if you can really sit down with yourself and say, this is something that I want to do, or this really makes me feel good, that's something that we don't spend enough time doing. And once I started doing that, it's really made all the difference. I think going back to the idea of what made me happy was performing, being involved in social settings with other people. Those were all things that I wasn't allowed to do in my marriage. It, uh, became very, very small path of what I was allowed to do. And I can't even imagine now that thinking any longer that I wasn't allowed to do something. That's just crazy, because of course you're allowed to feel how you want to and allow to do the things that make you happy, the things that set Your soul on fire, you know, those are the kinds of things that for years I didn't even know anymore because I didn't know myself. So going back to happiness is really what set me free. Because how can you be happy and not feel totally free? I learned that through a lot of therapy and recognizing that that real raw emotion of happy. Like they say, happy baby, right? A happy baby is totally free. So having that happiness be the first and foremost thing for myself, I really feel like they're hand in hand self love, happiness and freedom. It's like all of them together make you a whole person, whatever that means. And that for everybody is different.

Speaker B: Different.

Speaker C: I think especially as women because we are so used to uh, historically making other people feel better and not ourselves. We've gotten away from that and being empowered and empowering each other to say no, you know what, my happiness is actually really important. And starting from that point, I think freedom is possible for you. But it took me a long time to get back there. I mean, it hasn't been easy. It's been the last five years of really making sure that I was putting myself first. And a lot of times people will say, well that's selfish, that's not right, you shouldn't, oh, you're so selfish. No, actually it's about loving myself first and what feels good, good to me. And if it doesn't, then I'm not going to do it. So making those choices I think really allowed the freedom to come. Once I put myself in that position, I'm actually getting chills talking about it because it's so powerful. Once you actually say that to yourself, it's like you can, it's like you're a bird that you can fly. And that's something that now that I know it, I could never give up because it's innately inside of me and I am living my true self. Yeah.

Speaker B: Does that feel so good?

Speaker C: It feels so good. It really does. It makes you want to jump around and jump up and down and woo hoo.

Speaker B: So in the pre interview process you shared a really powerful statement. You have within you right now everything you need to deal with whatever the world throws at you. How has the second chapter of your life given you the confidence to know that you can weather any storm?

Speaker C: Well, I think that over these almost 40 years I have seen a lot and been through a lot and if you knew me personally, you probably wouldn't even be able to tell that very much because by and large I'm a very positive person and I really Love smiling. I really enjoy being happy. I like laughing. It's just who I am. I realize that for a long time I didn't feel that way and that part of me was stifled. And it's almost like the idea of having sand in your hand. And when you make that sand in your hand really tight, it's really hard for the sand to flow through your fingers. But when you allow it to open up, it just goes. And that visual for me has probably been one of the most important things over these last few years. I think when you're in a situation of domestic violence. I blamed myself for a lot of things. I thought I said something wrong, I did something wrong. Oh, that wasn't right. It was always thinking about myself in a very negative place. And when we come from a negative place and we think negatively about ourselves, what do we expect is going to happen? In changing my mindset and everything that I have been through and getting out of a very negative situation that was scary, violent, sometimes I didn't even know what the next day would be like. It has given me the opportunity to say, I never want to live in a negative space like that again. So I realized that, yes, everything I need is within me. And the only one that can change what's going on in your life is you. You know, we give so much of ourselves to other people, we give so much control, so much power over to someone else instead of taking that power back and saying, you know what, I'm, uh, gonna live this way. And if you can do that and recognize you don't need anything else, you don't need anyone else, everything is within you, everything you could possibly ever want is right within you. That can change your life. And that was the biggest, you know, mind blowing idea that came during this process, is that, wow, I actually am strong, special, magical, awesome, happy. All these wonderful, positive things right inside me, inside my own heart. And I didn't need to look elsewhere ever. But we constantly think that, that we have to look, you know, not within ourselves, but to figure that out. So I'm, um, really grateful that I went to therapy, number one, and that I was able to really dive into this with myself. I think all those hard times were hard. And now that I'm on the other side of it, I can say I'm grateful for that. At the time, I was miserable and it was hard. It was really hard because I had to literally go from day one starting all over again, walking to running, you know, and that was not easy. But it's not about it being easy. You can get through it if you really believe in yourself. And I think, again, that goes back to knowing that everything is inside of you that you could possibly need. So when I figured that out, I was like, okay, I can do this. I really can. I can make this happen, and I can have the life that I want to have. And I'm still working toward that every single day. But if that is the first thing that I realize about myself, then everything else sort of falls into place.

Speaker B: So good. So good. Wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing these things, truly.

Speaker C: Thank you. Thank you for letting me, uh, talk about them. I think it's been really so important to be able to get this out. And the first interview that I. That I had done recently was a written interview, and I just cried hysterically writing it. Just cry, cry, cry over and over again because it felt so good to get out. It's the first time in all these years that I'm really sharing my story. I think for a long time I didn't know how to, because I was still figuring it out myself. But again, now that I'm on the other side of this, I want to help other women that are going through this, and I want them to know that it's gonna be okay. I really want to share that idea. And I'm getting emotional about it because it was so, so hard. It was so hard to pick myself up and not know if I was going to get through another day. And it had been ingrained in me for so long that I was wrong. And when I got out of that mindset, I realized how strong I actually was for going through all of that for all those years. And just by me leaving and creating the life that I want was showing me my strength. And I want that for other women. I really do. I want that for them to feel like they're awesome and that they have it inside of them to do this and that they're special and they're loved. That's, um, one of the most important things. And I really appreciate you for letting me share my story.

Speaker B: I really appreciate you sharing your story. Thank you. And, you know, I appreciate you being, like, trusting me enough to get vulnerable and to get emotional and really. Yeah. Speak your truth. Like, there are women all around the world who listen to my show, and for all of these women to hear it, especially people who might be in that situation, I really think it could empower them to, you know, try to get out.

Speaker C: I hope so. I really do. I think it's, um, you know, when you. When you're in it, part of the problem is, is you don't realize that you are. And it's not until you're fully out of it that then it becomes crystal clear what has been going on. But for me, and I don't know if. If I made it clear in the. In the earlier question that you had, because I kind of went. Jumped into. Well, I went to jail and I. For domestic violence and all these things, but I want to make it clear that I was in an abusive relationship for years, and that when finally the cops were called, it was me who was put on the stand because of defending myself. And that's something to say, certainly, about our justice system and why so many women do not speak up about it. It's really horrifying. And that's something that I totally understand, because I didn't. And then when that did happen to me, I thought to myself, see, See what happens when. When I'm trying to actually be honest and say what happened? My honesty is what landed me in jail. And I want people to know that, because I think that's something that has to change. You know, I really feel like we have to do a better job as a society to allow people to say, this is what's going on with me. And, uh, it is not okay. That's why the MeToo movement is so important. You know, everything that's going on with domestic violence, we need to make people understand that people are afraid to talk because they're afraid of the repercussions that will happen from everybody else. I think when you finally have that light bulb moment, it goes off in your head that goes, I'm going to leave this situation because that's exactly what happened to me. It was a light bulb moment. I said, I am sick and tired of, uh, dealing with this. I don't want to be treated like this anymore. Um, um. I'm tired of being scared. I'm tired of feeling this way. I actually got fed up. So I knew. I mean, I was aware of it in my brain and my heart that this was not right. But the getting out of it is the hard part, you know? And then, of course, there's all kinds of things that come along with that psychologically. But, uh, if we can do a better job as a society of allowing people to tell the truth and believing them and saying, okay, let's. Let's make this better, you know, so this doesn't happen anymore, I think that's what we have to do. And, uh, you know, I hope that we can, we can figure out how to do that. Just listen to people and believe them. Listen to people who have been through this.

Speaker B: Thank you again so much for sharing. What advice would you give to another woman who has hopes of opening her own production company?

Speaker C: Do it 100%. Do it. Don't even think twice about it. It's not going to be easy. Certainly it's going to be hours of work, hours of your time and energy, but it's going to be worth it. Because if it's something that you want to do, I say 100%, just do it right, like Nike. Get out there, whatever you want, whatever makes you happy. When you think this is what makes me happy, make sure that that is the key factor in why you're doing it. Because once you're happy, then really nothing can stand in your way. And that is, I think, the most important thing. When you're thinking about whether or not you want to do something or if you've got enough in you to do it, you have everything you need right inside you. So if it makes you happy and you can figure out the resources, you know, money comes, money comes. You can find money. You really can. It's just putting in the work of, uh, the passion and the love that you have behind it. And if you do that, then it's going to be gangbusters. And I think it's, uh, I say to you all, women all over the world, good for you for doing something that you really love, because that is awesome and you are awesome.

Speaker B: You're so great. As you can probably tell, Diane and I had a blast chatting with each other. If you enjoyed this episode and want to hear more from us, Diane and I will be going live on Instagram together on Friday, August 21st at 4:30pm Eastern Time. So follow along at Fempower Media and Diane Foster Official so you can join us. I want to extend special thanks to Diane for taking time out of her schedule for this interview. You can follow her on Instagram, Diane Foster Official and Wally Bird Productions, and you can check out her website@wallybirdproductions.com and I want to thank you for tuning in. It means so much to me that you pressed play today. If you liked what you heard, please leave a five star review and tell your friends and family to listen. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to email me@fempowermedianetworkmail um.com you can also see the show notes, sign up for email updates and provide episode suggestions on fempowermedia.com.

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