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Episode 308: Webinar Builder That Make You Money with Jim Edwards

Sales Copywriting and Content Marketing Hacks Podcast with Jim Edwards · 2026-06-17

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Key moments - from our scoring

Substance score

26 / 100

Five dimensions, 20 points each

Insight Density7 / 20
Originality5 / 20
Guest Caliber4 / 20
Specificity & Evidence4 / 20
Conversational Craft6 / 20

This episode centers on a fundamental shift in how to sell paid trainings and webinars: stop selling information and start selling specific, measurable results. Jim Edwards and Stu Smith break down why people will pay 10x more for a Zoom coaching session than a book - because they want outcomes, not just knowledge. They compare training structure to Stu's fitness bootcamp model, where participants don't watch him work out; they do the work themselves with real-time feedback. The conversation emphasizes defining what result people will actually leave with (not just 'learn'), creating milestone-based progress, and using live delivery to build momentum and community. Edwards argues that in an age of information abundance (365 days of YouTube content uploaded every 12 seconds), the real value is in facilitating action and getting people to the finish line. They discuss tools like the new Sales Webinar Genie, which helps critique webinar landing page copy, and stress that trainings should move people from knowing to doing - the only thing that matters anymore. This is essential for anyone selling courses, webinars, or coaching programs who wants to maximize conversions and actual student success.

Key takeaways

  • →People pay for results and human feedback, not information - a Zoom coaching call costs 10x more than a book because it delivers an outcome, not just knowledge.
  • →Define your training around a specific, concrete result people will leave with (completed, created, decided, or improved), not just what they'll learn.
  • →Use milestone-based progression to break down results into actionable stepping stones, giving participants early wins to build momentum and prove they're on the right path.
  • →Deliver trainings live whenever possible and have participants take action during the session, not after, because group momentum and real-time feedback dramatically increase the likelihood of actual results.
  • →Structure trainings like Stu's bootcamp model: explain the concept, demonstrate it, have people do it themselves while you provide feedback, then repeat - not just showing them what to do and sending them home.

In this episode

  1. 1The Importance of Consistent Product Promotion
  2. 2Paid Training vs. Sales Webinars: Key Differences
  3. 3The Value of Results Over Information
  4. 4Defining Your Specific Result and Milestones
  5. 5Live Training Effectiveness and Breaking Down Results into Actionable Steps
  6. 6Using Stories and Demonstrations in Q&A Sessions
  7. 7Tools and Resources for Webinar Copy Improvement

Mentioned

Jim EdwardsStu SmithYouTubeZoomNever Quit MindsetSales Webinar GenieCopywriting SecretsPowerPoint

Guests

Stu Smith

Topics in this episode

Sales Webinar GenieNever Quit Mindset courseCopywriting SecretsPowerPoint slide renderingAI chat critique partnerLive Q&A sessionsMilestone-based training structureResult-driven training designFitness bootcamp methodologyYouTube content delivery

Questions this episode answers

What's the difference between a sales webinar and a paid training course?

A sales webinar explicitly shows how to get a result by buying something, while a paid training expects people to leave with the actual result achieved. Both can be live or recorded, but the audience expectation differs in how the outcome is framed.

Why is a one-on-one coaching call worth 10 times more than a book on the same topic?

Because coaching delivers a specific, completed result through human feedback and personalized application, whereas a book requires the reader to extract knowledge and figure out application on their own - knowing something is not the same as accomplishing it.

How should you structure a webinar or training to maximize actual results?

Define a specific outcome upfront, break it into milestone-based steps, teach the big picture, provide relevant examples, demonstrate the concept, give participants time to do it while you're there for feedback, and repeat until they achieve the result - all during the session, not after.

What early win should you give training participants?

Give them a small, fast victory that proves they're on the right path - like completing the first milestone, solving one part of their problem, or taking one concrete action - so they build momentum and confidence.

Why does live training work better than pre-recorded courses?

Live delivery creates group momentum, makes it harder not to show up and participate, lets people feel they're in it together, and allows real-time feedback and course correction - all of which dramatically increase the likelihood people will take action and get results.

What our scoring noted

Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.

Insight Density

7 / 20

There are a handful of genuinely useful conceptual points - most notably the result-vs-information framing and the software-vs-book analogy - but they are buried under extended banter about cartoon physiques, hand tattoos, military PT standards, and meandering tangents. The signal-to-noise ratio is low for a B2B operator audience.

Learning something is not a result. Applying what you've learned creates a result.
if you think about why do you buy software? Because software does something for you. You click it and it does something that you want done.

Originality

5 / 20

The episode's central thesis - sell outcomes not information, and live formats drive action - is well-worn in the online course and coaching world and is presented without any contrarian angle or first-principles derivation. No novel frameworks or counterintuitive claims emerge.

show up, participate, do what I tell you to do when I tell you to do it while everybody else is doing it. And you're gonna leave with A, B, C, D, E, F and G.
being a human that helps another human get a result, I think is going to be the most important thing

Guest Caliber

4 / 20

Stu Smith is a small-scale fitness and military-prep practitioner with a modest online presence; he is not a B2B operator who has built or scaled anything at a level relevant to the stated audience of founders, marketers, or sales leaders. Jim Edwards is simultaneously host and product vendor, making this closer to an infomercial co-host dynamic than a substantive guest appearance.

I do write three articles a week for Military.com
I also have the tactical fitness course

Specificity & Evidence

4 / 20

The episode offers almost no hard business metrics, conversion data, or named case studies relevant to B2B operators. The few concrete figures mentioned - $20 book, 'couple hundred bucks' for a Zoom call, 2,000 articles - are anecdotal personal details rather than evidence for the claims being made.

How much does it cost for somebody at a minimum to talk to you on Zoom... A couple hundred bucks.
the last one was website video secrets back in 2004 was the last time I did that

Conversational Craft

6 / 20

Jim Edwards uses a Socratic analogy technique (the workout demonstration metaphor) to draw out the 'results vs. information' point with some skill, but follow-up questions are shallow and the conversation repeatedly collapses into off-topic jokes and product plugs with no genuine pushback or intellectual tension.

How stupid would it be for those kids to show up and for you to demonstrate pull ups, push ups, sit ups... And then send them home. Okay, go do what I just did.
Fitness isn't a habit. Fitness isn't getting up at six o' clock in the morning, putting on your shoes and walking down to the gym by 6:20 is a habit.

Conversation analysis

Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.

Share of words spoken

  • Speaker A74%
  • Speaker B26%

Most-used words

result24live17show17training16articles14book13webinar13mindset12somebody11quit10three10read10better9question9selling9sales9

Episode notes

Jim Edwards and Stew Smith use CopyandContent.ai Genies to build a webinar and how to best use pitches during teaching sessions. Webinars and LIVE QA videos require a solid marketing strategy that needs to learn when to pitch/stop teaching. Don't teach too much - save some for the pitch and call to action. Show them the hard way - sell them the easy way. Check out the Facebook Group - Sales Copy and Content Marketing Hacks at copywritingandcontenthacks and for more information on the wizards used to make outstanding sales copy check out

Full transcript

Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.

Speaker A: You in. In that cartoon, I realized that you, like, look totally ready for action and stuff. Like, you're ready to love somebody. Yeah. It's like, man, I look good. Uh, you know why?

Speaker B: Why is that?

Speaker A: Because you work out.

Speaker B: Oh, there you go. Cartoon. Cartoon stew looks better than me.

Speaker A: Cartoon stew is super buff.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: And there you go. All right. So, Stu, have you ever sold the training?

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: How'd it go?

Speaker B: I. I have, um. Well, at first when I'm really, like, promoting it, but then, you know something? I discovered what that I need to do is keep promoting it. And I sell more every time I do a live Q A, which, by the way, I added a third now per week. And every time I talk on those live Q and A's, I'm always doing stuff like this. Did you know. Did you know I have a course too, right? The Never Quit mindset course. I also have the tactical fitness course. And yes, they work. Check them out. You know, and just like I said, it's. If I want to sell more stuff, I need to mention it more.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: It's just plain and simple. I mean, I know that is blatantly obvious and, uh, uh. But it works really well.

Speaker A: I think if you want to sell more, you need to mention it more in context.

Speaker B: Oh, yeah.

Speaker A: And that's what you're doing. So just. Just to kind of clarify what. What you're doing is within a context of, hey, we're doing Q and A. I'm talking about whatever the topic is. Here's a question that somebody asked. Here's the answer. And by the way, did you know that I've written an entire book on this topic? And you can check it out here. But another thing you can say is, did you know that that's just part of the story, and that's why I wrote this book on the topic, which will teach you this, this, this, and this. And so you can check it out so you can throw in more benefits, throw in more breadcrumbs and why people want it. I know you. You do that instinctively, but it's important to. To. If you're doing it in context, then nobody can. That all you do is pitch.

Speaker B: Right?

Speaker A: That's important.

Speaker B: Yes, very good point. I do it instinctively, but I also need to do it intentionally.

Speaker A: What do you mean?

Speaker B: Right. I just mean that it needs to be a part of what I am doing.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: Because there will be times I will forget. You know, I'll forget to, uh. Like, oh, yeah, by the way, go to Stu SmithFitness.com. right. I'll just forget it, say, hey guys, I gotta go. It's been long. If I missed your email, send it to me. I'll see you later. Right. And you know, sometimes I leave that like that. And uh, I realize I'm just leaving money on the table when I do.

Speaker A: Well, it's okay if you hate money.

Speaker B: Yeah, that's true.

Speaker A: But then you have to walk upstairs and tell Denise that you hate money and you know, you just for free, we don't need any more money.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Then she'll put her hand on your forehead, see if you have a fever, you know. Feeling okay, honey? Maybe it's time for a nap.

Speaker B: Yeah, but your, um, your article today got me thinking about it because since I have been more intentional of, of actually promoting my courses, I'm selling more courses. So there you go. I just, uh, just, just that, that's what I thought was kind of funny. I was like, hm, hm.

Speaker A: Like if you want to get better at Pull ups, you should practice Pull Ups. If you want to get better at sales, you should, you should pitch more practice.

Speaker B: Practice sales. Yeah.

Speaker A: Okay. Nice. Yeah, so I, I see your question, Jonathan, and we'll, we'll get to that. Um, but want to talk for a minute? This month is paid training month, which is all about creating and selling your own paid trainings. Um, last month was webinar month, was, you know, sales webinar month. So they all kind of flow together. Because what's the difference between a, a sales webinar and a paid training stuff?

Speaker B: Um, I, I have. At least the way I understand it, a webinar is something I'm doing live with people.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: Paid training could be a video. Okay. Uh, they're just, just.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. 1. There's really not that much difference except the paid training. People expect to leave with the result. And on a webinar where they know they're gonna get a pitch that's a sales webinar, they expect for you to show them how to get the result by buying something.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: That would be the biggest difference between the two. Um, but if you, if you think about it, let me ask you this. When people show up at 6 o' clock in the morning, Stu, do you stand out there on that trail? What's that trail where you have the pull up bars and there's like graffiti and barbed wire and stuff on those buildings?

Speaker B: It does not look like that.

Speaker A: Yes, it does. There's graffiti and barbed wire. There's like vagrants and stuff living in cardboard boxes. And your boys are having to Fight their way through needles and trash to get

Speaker B: suburbs. M.

Speaker A: Um, when you, when they show up at 6 in the morning, okay, do you gather them all around and explain how to do pull ups and how to do push ups? Do you, they all sit there and watch you run up and down that trail and do they, do they watch you do dips and, and squats and pull and, and bench presses and then you send them home to do the workout?

Speaker B: No, typically it works like this. I'm gonna tell them what we're doing. Here's what we're doing. Right, okay. Uh, and then I will see individuals doing something right, doing something wrong, and we'll, you know, course correct if needed.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: If that makes sense.

Speaker A: So what you're saying is they show up expecting to get something done. They show up expecting to do a, uh, workout and to leave with a workout done?

Speaker B: Yes.

Speaker A: You give them the workout, you demonstrate where necessary. But in the end their expectation when they show up is that I'm going to do something. I'm going to leave with something done.

Speaker B: Yes.

Speaker A: Is that, is that true?

Speaker B: Yeah, I would say yes.

Speaker A: How stupid would it be for those kids to show up and for you to demonstrate pull ups, push ups, sit ups? Um, um, um, a three mile run. So they could sit there and wait for you to run the three miles in 15 minutes. Because I know you're pretty fast.

Speaker B: Oh yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker A: And um, and then send them home. Okay, go do what I just did. Go home and do what I just did in your garage. Would that make any sense?

Speaker B: No, none at all.

Speaker A: But isn't that what most people are doing with their paid training, myself included? Show up. I'm gonna show you what to do. Now go do it. Bye. Have a great day.

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker A: How valuable actually is that?

Speaker B: Yeah, not that much. Right.

Speaker A: If you think about it.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: And so when we do sprints, on the other hand, when somebody shows up to do a sprint, it's basically, here's what we're going to do. Okay, watch me do it. Which is also called a demo. Okay, here's what we're going to do. Here's why we're going to do it. Watch me do it. Now you do it. Ask questions, wash, rinse, repeat until you've accomplished the result.

Speaker B: Nice.

Speaker A: And that's where people go from, wow, it'd be nice to do this to. It's done. Holy crap, we're done. So I think also with, with AI and, and with all the things that are going on in the world now, how I mean, isn't there, there's like 365 days worth of content uploaded to YouTube every 12 seconds or something? I mean, there's just, there's, there's more content on YouTube than wow, any anybody could watch in a hundred thousand years. Um, damn. There, there's no shortage of information out there. There's, there's no shortage of, of anything as far as just being able to drink from the fire hose intellectually. But I think where there's a real issue is people being able to get a result. And what I'm noticing from what we're selling and what's, what's actually making money is when we actually promise a specific result that you will leave with. Not I'm going to show you how to get this result, but show up, participate, do what I tell you to do when I tell you to do it while everybody else is doing it. And you're gonna leave with A, B, C, D, E, F and G. Done or just A done, whatever it is. Yeah, that, that seems to be the thing that people are resonating with and they're willing to pay for. I mean, if you think about why do you buy software? Because software does something for you.

Speaker B: Sure.

Speaker A: You click it and it does something that you want done. That's why software can cost hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. And how much does your average book cost? Do?

Speaker B: 20 bucks.

Speaker A: 20 or 30 bucks.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: So because you got to read the book and you got to do the work, whereas, uh, software does the work for you. So how valuable is a training where you're just taking on a bunch of information and then you have to go figure out how to do it without any feedback mechanism or help or anything from, from anybody. How valuable is that?

Speaker B: It's a little challenging and, and you know, for the person consuming it. Um, but yeah, not that valuable.

Speaker A: So how much is your Never quick mindset book?

Speaker B: 20 bucks.

Speaker A: How much does it cost for somebody at a minimum to talk to you on Zoom, to help them walk through the same stuff and apply it to their own situation to get a result?

Speaker B: A couple hundred bucks.

Speaker A: At least. A couple hundred bucks. So it is 10 times more valuable for someone to talk to you to actually get less information than they could get if they sat down and read the book? Because it's not like you're going to read the book to them.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: So why is there value?

Speaker B: I guess just there's a person.

Speaker A: People we need people.

Speaker B: People.

Speaker A: People who need people are the luckiest people in the world.

Speaker B: That's right. That's what save us, Jim. That's going to save us in this.

Speaker A: The singing ain't gonna save us for. But being a human that helps another human get a result, I think is going to be the most important thing in. In, uh, everything that we're doing.

Speaker B: 100%.

Speaker A: So then that begs the question of. This is the. This is the number one question that has to be answered. If you want to sell people anything, particularly paid training, are you ready for the questions, too?

Speaker B: I'm ready.

Speaker A: I'm even going to write it slowly and nicely so everybody can read it.

Speaker B: I love it.

Speaker A: Despite the crippling injury I was dealt by my kindergarten teacher who smacked me with a ruler. Okay. M hm. You know, I grew up in a different time. When the kindergarten teacher whacks the. Out of your hand with the ruler and you go home crying about. And your mom is like, what did you do? It's like, totally assumed my own guilt. Yeah.

Speaker B: Those were the days.

Speaker A: Uh-huh. This is the magic question. What result are you selling? That is the most important question in the world that you have to answer when it comes to selling, especially a course. What result are you selling? You think about that. It's not, um. I'm not selling information on something. No. I'm selling get this done, you know, at the. Maybe rephrase this a different way. At the. At the end of the training, what will they have completed? What will they have created? What will they have decided or what will they have improved?

Speaker B: Learned.

Speaker A: But learned isn't the same.

Speaker B: Right?

Speaker A: Learning something is not a result. Applying what you've learned creates a result. Okay. Learning something. I mean, I'm not. I'm not being a, uh. Oh, no, no, no.

Speaker B: It makes sense. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker A: You know, the objective is not to learn something. The objective is to learn something and apply it in order to get a result.

Speaker B: I like that better. No, Great idea.

Speaker A: And that's what most things lack, because the result is. Is. Is not specific. It's not clear. Okay. And let me ask you a question. St. When somebody buys something from you, okay. H. Um, Somebody buys your Never Quit mindset book, which is really good, and it's not super long. You want to read Anthony Robbins's 600 page, you know, awaken the. The giant serpent within or whatever it is. Or read Stu's book. It's under 100 pages and it's more valuable. How will they know they got the result they paid for? Stu.

Speaker B: When they apply all the things that are in there to apply to their Lives.

Speaker A: Okay. That's kind of hard to do.

Speaker B: Sure.

Speaker A: Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Speaker B: I, uh, think it's neither. I mean, if you're, if you're trying to create a Never Quit mindset, it's not going to be easy.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not trying to sell them easy.

Speaker A: Okay, well, let me ask you something. Let me ask you this. If we think in terms of milestones, and then over here we have the, uh, result. What's a milestone?

Speaker B: Um, like, many goals. Yeah.

Speaker A: It's like a stepping stone along the way.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Okay. Gates on a path. All right? It's. It's some weird dude on top of a mountain telling you that if you want to skip this obstacle, you can stop and give me 58 count bodybuilders. All right? Because I want you to have the result of feeling like you earned that patch. What's a milestone that somebody can pass in a Never Quit mindset? Developing a Never Quit mindset.

Speaker B: Say that again.

Speaker A: What is a milestone that should. That someone can pass through or accomplish that shows they are on their way to developing a Never Quit mindset?

Speaker B: Opening the book. No.

Speaker A: Um. Hey, you want to get a quick win? Just open the book and turn to page 16 of copywriting secret. And what's on page 16 of copywriting secrets? Stu.

Speaker B: Um, you. You're better at me.

Speaker A: I haven't 10 reasons why people buy. Okay, so, so, so let's go back to the, the Never Quit mindset though. Okay? Open the book. Hell, you could teach a lesson just on why opening the book is, is the first key. Because it shows you're willing to get started and it's risky. And then blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker B: It starts the mindset in the right direction.

Speaker A: Right. What's another milestone? What's another thing that, that people could do that would demonstrate that they have, they are on their way to developing a, uh, never Quit mindset.

Speaker B: Build a good habit.

Speaker A: Okay. Which habit?

Speaker B: Fitness.

Speaker A: Uh, fitness isn't a habit.

Speaker B: Sure it is.

Speaker A: No, it's not.

Speaker B: Sure.

Speaker A: Fitness. Fitness isn't getting up at six o' clock in the morning, putting on your shoes and walking down to the gym by 6:20 is a habit.

Speaker B: Sure.

Speaker A: Okay, so set your alarm.

Speaker B: There you go.

Speaker A: Okay. Work out today. Okay. Yeah, we'll get up. Set your alarm and get up at 5:30. Okay. Work out today. What else? What would be something else that they could do that would be. I, I think what, um, I'm. What I'm getting at is that action. Completely taking an action to get a Result is the only thing that matters anymore. Because it's not, it's not about teaching anybody anything anymore because the teaching stuff is all around. What else could they do to develop that? Never Quit mindset. Um, how about do something hard? No, I mean, yeah, do something, do something difficult today that you've been putting off, right?

Speaker B: Yeah. Don't procrastinate.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: Do it.

Speaker A: Okay. So again, this might be hard for you to do on a webinar, but what you could do is get somebody on a webinar. Okay, this is Never Quit mindset. Uh, live training. And uh, today, by the end of this training, you will leave with something you have been procrastinating on, either done or at least started. And you're going to have the time to do it today. So first, why do we procrastinate? Okay, it's fear of a future event. It's fear of putting out too much effort, putting out not enough effort. Fear of things not turning out the way you want.

Speaker B: Yeah, uh, fear of failure.

Speaker A: Let's look at the flip. Yeah, let's. So you teach on that for like 10 minutes and you're like, okay, here's an example of something that a lot of people put off. Okay. Working out. Why? It's not that working out is hard, it's that you fear the pain of working out. So this is what we're gonna do. And then you just have them like do one push up. Have it. Okay, you've started working out. You have broken the, the, the, the seal on the bottle. Okay, I'm, um, I'm m being kind of goofy with this, but the more that we can get people a fast win, the faster we can get them a fast win, the more we can get them into action, the more we can set it up so that there is our circumstances where there it's easier for them to act than not. It's easier for them to get a result than not. It's easier for them to get some momentum. Not as part of the training, the more likely they are to get a result. And I'm looking back at stuff we've done over the years for you know, 25, 30 years now, and, and when you teach somebody something, when you clearly define the outcome, when you break it into bite sized pieces, when you teach them the, the overall big picture so they can see where they are at any given moment and then you give them examples to learn from that are appropriate to them and then you do it in front of them and then give them a chance to do it and get some feedback. The chances of them getting a result are massively higher than what most people do, which is just to dump a bunch of information on somebody and, and then say, have a nice day. This worked for me. This worked for me. Here's some testimonials from some other people and have a great day. And that's why people don't get any results. Yeah. And I mean, what are your, what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker B: No, I like the stepping stone idea to the result. I mean that's, that is a logical process that I think people need to learn, but more importantly need to put it into action. Um, I mean that's, uh, that's what I try to do every time I talk to people.

Speaker A: How important do you think stories and demonstrations are?

Speaker B: Incredibly important.

Speaker A: So tell me about your, your Q A sessions that you do. Huh? How do those, how do those work? What, what happens with those?

Speaker B: I usually give a quick 5 minute presentation on some topic, usually a topic that I've written an article about that week. And that's while people congregate. Next thing I know, I see 50, 60 people on there or more and then start opening it, uh, up to questions. And then every question I get, I try to put in usually a link to an article that takes them to my site or, and um, its own little story with the answer like, how do I get better at situps? Well, let me tell you how I failed sit ups the first time I ever took them. Right? Because I just went out way too fast. You know, I need to learn how to pace myself. Right. That's, that's the key. Um, just little things like that, you know, where I'm putting in my own experiences or you know, what science says, um, that make the answer just that much better. Cool.

Speaker A: Excellent. Yeah, yeah, that's great. How important do you think it is to help people get an early win in any kind of a process?

Speaker B: It's very helpful.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: I mean, and it doesn't have to be a, um, a huge win either. Just a, a minor victory starting your day. Right. You know, showing up at the, and hopping on a bike. Right. Uh, at the gym, you know, whatever that is. Let's do it. Doesn't have to be a hour and 50 minute workout, you know, it could be 15 minutes.

Speaker A: Okay. So Dave made a cool contribution, um, which I didn't see. But you know, how do we know they got the result? He said when they've solved the problem they came to you for. I like that. And what I would say to that and when They've solved the problem they came to you for is different than they know how to solve the problem they came to you for. That's different. Knowing and accomplishing are two different things. And I, I think that's, that's very good, Dave. Thank you for that. Because that, that kind of takes it the next. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take that. And I'll give you credit once or twice, Dave, until I forget and then I'll act like I own it. Um, but, but that, you know, if you think about. No, we all know how to lose weight, we all know how to get in shape. We all know all these things, but it's the application of that knowledge.

Speaker B: Very true.

Speaker A: And I think in our trainings, if we can create that situation where people take action as a part of the training, not after the training you do better. I mean, just looking back on stuff that we've done when like all of my trainings now always start as something live. It's, it's I, I never, I, I, it's been over 20 years since I sat down, created a training by myself in my office, published it and turned around and sold it. Always have I, ever since. I mean, I think last one was website video secrets back in 2004 was the last time I did that. I could be wrong, but it's funny. You, you create more results simply by just doing something live. And just by people showing up live, that helps create the momentum because they're in a spot doing what they're supposed to do. Um, when they're supposed to do it, they've got momentum. They feel like other people are in it with them. I mean it's a lot harder to work out by yourself than it is to show and know that your boys are going to be there at six and you all be, you know, be tough, but you'll be joking and right. You know that, that makes it a little easier if you don't feel like you're in it alone. So anyway, um, what are your thoughts?

Speaker B: D. Um, I just had a really good thought and it just left me.

Speaker A: What that's called getting almost to 60.

Speaker B: I know. I like man, I had something to add to that and I screwed it up. Up. Um, it, it'll come back to me.

Speaker A: Okay. So that's pretty much all I got. I mean I uh, that was talking. I would encourage everybody to read every the newsletter today. Um, I would tell you, uh, Jonathan asked about. I'm reaching out to see if he could help me improve the script for my Webinar landing page. Which tool would be best for that? Uh, the new sales webinar Genie has all kinds of goodies in there for you including ah, one of the genie prompt packs that will allow you to turn your favorite AI chat, including GENIE chat into your personal critique partner for your um, for your webinar copy. So I would encourage you to uh, to check that out. Um, but we also last week did a training on sales webinar. Or maybe it was week before last. The weeks are.

Speaker B: We also did a live show on it as well and demonstrated it. Yeah, you can find those on the uh, YouTube channel.

Speaker A: Yeah, so check out the, the YouTube channel. Um, and also check out uh, the replay of the last master class that we did. But that, the new sales webinar Genie. Um, and I worked at length with the um, with the programmer really to get the uh, the PowerPoint slide rendering squared away. And that's, that's real solid. Now it's got an occasional little glitch in it, but overall it's extremely solid. So I would tell you to go check that out as well.

Speaker B: So Jim, I remember what I was going to say.

Speaker A: Blade on me Stew.

Speaker B: And it is related, a little bit off, a little bit tangential.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: Um, but I have found that as, as with AI becoming more prevalent, the, you know, the ease it is to create content has, it's never been better. Right. But at the same time the content has probably never been worse. Right.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Overall, from what I'm seeing, like other fitness guys do, I'm not saying, you

Speaker A: know, it's average crap now because it's the average of all the crap.

Speaker B: Right. So what has led me to do is I, I am slowly evolving and I can see this happening a little bit. And you know, I do write three articles a week for Military.com. you know, I'm, I'm almost ready to say, you know what? I think I'm done writing three articles a week for Military.com and I'm gonna just replace it with live Q A videos because I can make more in that time that I write an article. And um, then I can, you know, I can make more doing a live Q and A video than I can writing that article for the same time.

Speaker A: Yes. And uh, let's think about this though. I ran out of. So hopefully I wrote this question down because now it's gone. Uh, what result are you selling? Okay, I, I, I hear what you're saying and I would just encourage you to think about it this, I'll still

Speaker B: do articles don't get me wrong. It's just. I'm. I'm just debating with the whole process is all.

Speaker A: Yeah, let me. Let me.

Speaker B: And I've been doing for 20 years.

Speaker A: Let me suggest something.

Speaker B: Oh, I'm listening.

Speaker A: Okay. So you got the three articles. A lot of the folks that you get come from those articles. Oh, I know. One of the first things I ever saw from you when I started researching you was all the stuff on Military.com. so the ultimate goal is to get these people onto a, uh, stew Q and A.

Speaker B: Yes.

Speaker A: So my suggestion would be that. And maybe you're doing this already, but I can show you a couple of things that I've figured out that we'll be sharing with people to take those questions and run them through a couple of genie. Basically, take that transcript, run it through some genie stuff to isolate the questions, then take those questions and use them with other genie stuff to create the articles so that the time it's taking you to create those three articles, you're leveraging the Q and A stuff and this. You don't lose this feeder, but you're leveraging your thoughts to create content. Oh, sure, absolutely. But. But I'm talking with a level of speed that will. And it's your stuff that would make you go, hell, I could probably do five articles a week now for Military.com. i'm just saying, if you're interested in that and if everybody, anybody else is interested at some point, I'll show you. But I'll show Steve or Stu first.

Speaker B: No, no, no, that. That is. That's really good. I. I love it. And I try to do that already with a variety of things. Not only the questions, like the articles I write sometimes become live Q and as, uh, the live Q and as become future articles already happens.

Speaker A: Right. I'm sure it does.

Speaker B: And even the live Q&As, you know, now become video shorts that, you know, tickle the. Whoever that, um, you know, doesn't have an attention span enough to read an article.

Speaker A: Um, Right.

Speaker B: You see where I'm going.

Speaker A: I do.

Speaker B: Trying to evolve with the audience and I understand. And, uh, not that I'm tired of writing articles. I love writing articles. Been doing it forever. I just think I'm just seeing some opportunity. Oh. Uh, in case you never know, military, uh,.com may say, hey, you know, you're getting a little long in the tooth there, Stu. Time to get some fresh blood in here. Right. Because they have.

Speaker A: So they'll hire one of your students.

Speaker B: Yeah, I got, you know, I got 2,000 articles over there.

Speaker A: Yeah. Ah, I don't think that's ever gonna happen. That's like that somebody telling Dan Kennedy he doesn't know how to write sales letters anymore. Yeah, um, I'm just saying that if, if you, I, I'm telling you, I love you. Don't, don't do that. Because this helps create the, the fodder for the people who are buying stuff. I know you got 2, 000 articles over there, but people want to know, what have you done for me lately? What has he written lately? What is, what is, you know? Oh, God. This article's from 2012. I think they've changed the PT test since then. That guy's been doing these. I bet he can't even do a pull up anymore. He sucks. Let me go with, you know, so and so. Who you got on tape going, yeah, I read Stu Smith's 12 Weeks to Buds before I went. You know, it's like, yeah, so you got to keep feeding the machine. But there are more. Um, there are, there are, there are, there are. I'm telling you that there are effective. I'm saying there are like eight freaking times here. Sorry.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: Strategies to take stuff out of your head faster and get it done. And I, I don't think I've ever seen Albert, um, comment on one of these things. And he's like, yeah, you can do live Q A and make article from transcript. And then Albert's like, jim Ever's read my mind. Yeah. And I give a big shout out to my boy Albert, Marine officer, also the author of Data Analytics Career Playbook.

Speaker B: Nice.

Speaker A: Smart dude, understands all about data and he's not a nerd. Dude's buff. So, um, anyway, in all seriousness, those two, I got some stuff I could share with you that you'll think is pretty cool.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: So.

Speaker B: Well, the only reason why I, I brought it up was I added that third live Q A. Um, and I noticed a difference in two weeks of doing it. Like, I was like, dang, where'd that come from? Yeah, right. Just, you know, so anyway, I, I, I, I don't know where the market is going, but they're definitely watching live Q&As.

Speaker A: Well, and I, I think that goes along with exactly what you postulated last week when you made the profound statement of be more human.

Speaker B: Yeah. 100.

Speaker A: You, you know what, what could be more human than doing a live Q A with your target audience on something that they really want to know about?

Speaker B: Yeah. That's why I think they're Valuable.

Speaker A: Yeah, that. I, I've never understood why people don't show up for them with a cue. I mean, I, all the, these p, I mean, I, I, I've done them before and, and like hardly anybody shows up and you're like, really?

Speaker B: We're doing one now.

Speaker A: I understood, you know, I, I just, it's, it's, it is what it is. Um,

Speaker B: Yeah, Albert said, did they change the PFT to planks? Yes.

Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, well, you have to be able to do a plank for three, um, M100 is what, three, three minutes 45.

Speaker B: 345, yeah. 345.

Speaker A: You know how much cussing you can do in three minutes and 45 seconds

Speaker B: of a plank pose? That's an eternity in plankton.

Speaker A: Grunting and, and then they change the, um, for men over the age of 21 or 22, you have to be able to do 23 pull ups. It used to be, used to be 20. Yeah. For Max.

Speaker B: If you're a younger guy under 21.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Anyway, um, that's okay. I'm not going to be allowed in the military because I got a hand tattoo. So that's, I, I can't get a waiver. I don't know.

Speaker B: I've seen them. They're, they're in.

Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think that's.

Speaker B: Gate guard at the naval Academy. Got big old hand tattoo.

Speaker A: There you go. Yeah. All right, well, this was fun. I appreciate y' all being here. Um, next Tuesday we are going to be doing our master class on paid trainings. How to do them, how to set them up, how to sell them, all that good stuff. Again, that's the topic of the month. And uh, so we'll be sending out the email on that. And for those of you that want to get in shape, head on over

Speaker B: to St. Smith fitness dot com.

Speaker A: All right. Okay, everybody have fun. Take care. Thanks for joining us. See you soon. Bye.

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