Radical Hospitality Show · 2026-06-10 · 32 min
In this episode of the Radical Hospitality Podcast, host Zeke sits down with Pastor Mark Batterson of National Community Church in Washington, DC, for a conversation about the spiritual weight of physical spaces. What began with three people meeting in a blizzard in 1996 has grown into a multi-campus church and a portfolio of community-driven places - Ebenezer's Coffee House (built in a former crack house), the Miracle Theater, the Dream Center, and the Capitol Turnaround, a 100,000-square-foot streetcar building stripped down to its 96 columns and rebuilt. Mark unpacks why he believes a church confined to its four walls "is a club, not a church," how honoring the history of old buildings shapes new vision, and why his team invested a million dollars reinforcing a roof deck they have no plans to build on - because the next generation might. Drawing on themes from his book Gradually, Then Suddenly , he reflects on long-game thinking, the boundaries that protect family and ministry, defining success as being respected most by those who know you best, and why leadership always begins with self-leadership.
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