Productly Speaking: Real Stories for Product Managers · 43 min
What happens when two product people stop chasing perfection and start talking honestly about the job? In this episode, Karl is joined by Evie Brockwell and Michael Palmer for a wide-ranging, refreshingly human conversation about what product work really feels like day to day. Michael shares the excitement and pressure of stepping into BBC iPlayer, including the surreal experience of watching real people sit on a couch in a mock living room while testing new ideas for one of the UK’s most iconic platforms. It is a reminder that behind big brands and bold ambitions, product decisions still come down to watching humans struggle, succeed, and surprise you. Evie reflects on leaving a high-profile corporate career to work for herself, turning product thinking inward to test her own assumptions, experiment with different paths, and learn, sometimes the hard way, that passion and traction do not always show up where you expect them to. Together, they talk candidly about burnout, confidence, learning to say no, and the quiet damage that comes from letting your calendar run your life.