Shut Up and Take My Money: Time-Traveling Satoshi Nakamoto and the Luxury 'G'-Train

Speaker A: Are there any left?

Speaker B: There may be one.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: It's $500. You have no choice of carrier.

Speaker A: The battery can't hold a charge and the reception isn't very. Shut up and take my money Shut up, shut up and take my money Shut up and take my money Shut up, shut up and take my money Shut up and take my money Shut up, shut up and take my.

Speaker B: Now for the earpiece.

Speaker A: Oh, that was fast. I didn't even have to ask for your permission that time.

Speaker B: Yeah, I was like, getting ready and then it's just like, hey, you're recording.

Speaker A: Dang, dude. How'd you feel about the first episode?

Speaker B: I liked it a lot. I've only listened to it once, but, uh, I plan on listening to it again because I had a lot of fun. But I was also listening from like a critiquing kind of. I like, oh, watch out for this. Don't do this. Try not necessarily don't, but do your best to keep an eye out for those. Those things you do.

Speaker A: Right. A couple of things that I caught in myself. I thought you were great. You have a very clear and easy to follow speaking pattern. For myself, I was like, I need to work on pausing less, getting quicker to actually what I want to say and taking people on less segways. And then I also didn't like a couple times they said like, bro and dude, I was like, um, I'm probably alienating some folks who are like, not bro y types at all.

Speaker B: We'll start the. Well, we'll start the podcast. Be like, what a bitch.

Speaker A: Yeah. Instead of alienating some people, we need everyone, right? They're like, oh, well, I'm going to look for another podcast.

Speaker B: Is that easy one eighty?

Speaker A: Yeah. The easiest no. That they've ever had to say in their life. Dude, I got. Oh, man, I already. I already screwed up. I already said, dude. Um, um, I, uh, I have a couple things that I have done. Some, uh, some not like, full length iceberg searching for. Right. Like I'm, I'm. I'm definitely not just on the surface looking at the tip of the iceberg. I've definitely gone a little bit deeper in terms of crazy ideas on the Internet. Uh, uh. But I definitely didn't go like, you know, to the bottom of that iceberg. The Internet's pretty, pretty intense, pretty deep. So I don't know if I could hold my breath to find out just how deep the rabbit hole goes on that one. But, um, I got some cool stuff. Do you have some cool ideas? Crazy stuff. That you want to talk about, too.

Speaker B: I have two things, uh, and I may be able to think of other things. I feel like during the week, I was thinking of things, but I didn't freaking write them down. And so I'm sitting here with two thoughts that maybe will go somewhere, maybe not. I have something on the tip of my tongue right now that I was like, oh, man, you. You just had it.

Speaker A: Why don't we hit that first, then? If it's on the tip of your tongue, I don't want you to swallow it and forget about it.

Speaker B: Well, I can't think of it, though.

Speaker A: Oh. Oh. So it was. It's one of those. It's not like, on the tip of your tongue jumping out. It's like it was on the tip of your tongue, but now it's kind of forgotten.

Speaker B: Yeah, it's the kid's imaginary friend from the Shining. Now that I'm talking, he's gone and hidden in my mouth, down into my belly. He's like, no, no, I'm. I'm done. I'm here.

Speaker A: But no, that's kind of an intriguing concept.

Speaker B: Ah.

Speaker A: You know, I never saw the Shining. I remember you watching it a few times in college, right? Weren't you pretty obsessed with it at one point?

Speaker B: I don't know if I was obsessed. The Shining, I remember watching at the very least once, because I was like, oh, this is, like, one of the, you know, classics. Um, and I knew that a lot of people said it was scary, so I, like, intentionally tried to, like, make myself scared as well. Like, who's that? Like, what's going on? But that was, like, after the fact, just to be like, oh, man, what a. What a scary movie. I've actually become more of a fan, um, just watching people over analyze the movie to death. But one of the cool things that happens is people, uh, will have these theories and then support their theories through, like, different things the movie has to offer. And so it gives you, like, a new lens through which to watch the movie. Like, I just watched this movie that or this theory that's like, oh, Wendy's actually the bad one. Here's all this supporting evidence.

Speaker A: And then I rewatched it.

Speaker B: I was like, oh, that was, like, a pretty fun watch. Like, these theories usually aren't, like, 100% solid. Or I have some, like, questions. I'm like, well, then how does this fit? But it's still fun to, like, try and, uh, fit, um, those different retellings in the same box while you're watching, like, the Exact same movie.

Speaker A: That's really interesting. And I love the crazy fan theories that just completely turn how you think it is on its head. I remember. I don't even know if you remember this. This is way back in like, 2013, 2014. Um, I came down to visit you at, at, ah, at campus one time, and there was like, this video is like 10 crazy fan theories. Uh, and one of the ones that, like, stuck with me ever since that just completely shattered my world when it comes to, you know, something that I.

Speaker B: Is it Pokemon?

Speaker A: Yeah, it was the Poke. Wow. You remember it is the Pokemon one where it's like, ketchum. You know, Pokemon aren't real. And when he was ran out of his house and got, like, struck by light, or maybe they are real, but, like, he didn't actually go on the journey. Um, uh, struck by lightning in that forest, like, trying to save Pikachu. That's when he actually died or went comatose. And so the rest of his adventure was just in his brain.

Speaker B: Yeah, they're like, that's why all the nurses are this. That's why all the police officers are the same, like, scary.

Speaker A: I know. Stuff like that really creeps me out because then I always immediately apply it to, like, the real world, going with, like, simulation theory. You know, so easy that all of this could just be one elaborate simulation. But is it yours or mine?

Speaker B: Well, it's. I can't tell you that. I'm not allowed to tell you. Yeah.

Speaker A: Um, speaking of crazy fan theories, I had, uh, an idea. Before we get into any of the other ones that I found and stole from the dark corners of the Internet and want to talk about here. It was a couple weeks ago, after our first episode. I was driving back from dropping Rocco off at school, and I was considering bitcoin because I pop into a couple different live audio rooms on bitcoin on Clubhouse, uh, because I'm just a big fan of listening to cultish bitcoin believers speak. This is some of the most riveting conversations I've ever heard of. Toppling governments, toppling currencies. Stand, uh, up bitcoin, and everyone should just hodl for life. And I really like it. It really fires me up whenever I hear it. And it makes me want to just put everything I have into bitcoin. But, uh, this thought came to me, uh, as I was driving home one day. I was like, I don't know how much you know about bitcoin. You may at least know this much. But the guy who made it, what is his name, I want to say it's Satoshi Nakamura, but.

Speaker B: Nakamoto.

Speaker A: Nakamoto. Is that what it is?

Speaker B: Yeah. Yep.

Speaker A: Yeah, it is. Nakamoto. Okay. Um, so the famous, infamous creator of bitcoin, right? Completely anonymous. No one knows who this guy is. Uh, and then.

Speaker B: No way.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no one knows.

Speaker B: Embodies the distributed, untraceable cryptocurrency.

Speaker A: Exactly. And some people have theorized that bitcoin wouldn't be what it is, and I think they're right. If he wasn't anonymous. Right. Which is one of the reasons why all of these other cryptocurrencies that followed, um, even though many of them claim to have good value and be of good utility, um, most of the time, they don't approach what bitcoin can offer because of that inherent anonymity. I think I got the word right, um, of the creator of bitcoin itself. And it was the first.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: So one of the biggest arguments of people who love bitcoin is, like, you can only create true scarcity once, um, because everyone else who comes after it that original time, they could be incentivized, uh, by ulterior motives, so to speak, even if they mean well. Um, and that, like, we won't go down that rabbit hole. But it got me thinking. I was like, it would be a great Netflix series if, uh, Satoshi Nakamoto was a time traveler from, like, I don't know, a thousand, two thousand years in the future. And the only way to save our society, uh, from, you know, devolving into, like, chaos and nuclear war or winter or whatever, um, is to set up, like, a universal currency that became Bitcoin. Um, so he goes back in time, uh, to set up this. This currency, uh, as an anonymous Satoshi Nakamoto. Um, and I got goosebumps thinking of that, because I was like, you know, if you think of terms of probability, um, it's probably not impossible that someone 2,3000 years in the future could go back in time. Right? Um, or from a different parallel universe, if we're talking about, uh, Marvel Universes. Right. And this concept that, uh, multiple timelines can exist. And so it really got me thinking, wow, maybe Satoshi Nakamoto is actually from the future. And the only way that he could save the human race, uh, from collapse was to create this universal currency, um, that just stabilizes the world a little bit. Uh, and so I thought that would be a really interesting story to prop up and maybe make a Netflix story around, and you could incorporate dramatic themes into it where maybe he's an outcast in his civilization, um, or people have strong feelings about him going back in time or disrupting the timeline on Earth and trying to save things, but he does it anyway, yada, yada, yada. Uh, but I feel like the bitcoin cult would really find it fascinating. Or maybe not. They might just think it's crazy. But, um, I don't know. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker B: I like it. I was trying to think of, like, what the potential large, large picture, big picture, like, takeaway would be from that kind of story. Because in my mind, I'm like, oh, well, if we could send someone back in time, maybe someone could be sent to have, like, this cure all that cures everything, or it's something else. But if it did end up being like, hey, look, there's. People are always gonna trade something with each other. This is the best, like, system that we can do that can let them trade in this, uh, secure and public way and, uh, decentralized. And that's what, in the end, is gonna allow people to, like, work together better and, uh, prosper instead of being able to, like, I don't know, just store, uh, all wealth into one pocket or something like that. I definitely. And that's just my initial thought of, like, oh, well, what would be the implication that you went back in time and made Bitcoin you didn't do something else? Um, maybe if there was something cool like, oh, humans are inherently social. And to make sure that socialness doesn't go wrong, we have to make sure there's a fair way, no matter what government is in place, to exchange, uh, with each other.

Speaker A: Right. I mean, I like that. I like that spin on it. But it does seem kind of anticlimactic when you put it that way, of you have the power to go back, change anything, do anything, and you create Bitcoin. Uh, maybe that could be the spin on it where maybe he's not a good guy at all. Maybe he's like a biff from Back to the Future. Uh, so he goes back to set up Bitcoin to ensure the demise of people, um, by having so many people sink their wealth into this currency that they just believe is infallible.

Speaker B: Yeah. Also, the math behind what makes Bitcoin secure. Currently, I'm like, dang. Humans figured out time travel. They couldn't out figure crack cryptography, right?

Speaker A: Yeah. No, that's Nakamoto's thing is he just wants, uh, the price of Bitcoin to be so high, uh, that once it's as high as he desires. That's when he'll reveal himself and, uh, just corrupt the whole system and take all the Bitcoin back. But then that would probably make it inherently worthless anyway. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B: If you could break cryptography, then, yeah, you could start trading everybody else's Bitcoin because you'd. Yeah, you'd be just crush their, uh, their passwords.

Speaker A: And if you. Not their passwords, it probably wouldn't be valuable.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: Like, that's the whole thing that, like, that's what makes it digital gold is, uh, is the fact that you can't break it right now. Like, if you could just get in and break it, then people's faith is lost and the whole system kind of collapses. I feel like if there's anyone who

Speaker B: lost by the key of time.

Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like if there are people who really know their stuff when it comes to bitcoin and it's their religion, if they find themselves listening to this, they're probably just outraged, like fuming at the ears right now. Just, uh, thinking that.

Speaker B: Freaking out, like, shut up, nerd. I'm gonna be a millionaire.

Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Oh, man. But, yeah, so that was my crazy, uh, I don't know, what would you call it? Not artistic thought, but, uh, in terms of arts, uh, movies, that kind of stuff. Because most of the ideas that I come up with and that I see and find interesting on the Internet, they have to do with, uh, the creation of like, some kind of product or a service. But for this one, I was like, oh, I think it'd be kind of cool to talk about, like, the creation of a series or a show that, uh, I would personally kind of find interesting. And yeah, kind of is crazy at the same time.

Speaker B: I mean, I, I like it, it. Those kind of ideas where, um, it opens up, you know, interesting rabbit holes to go down, like you said, like, oh, maybe he's actually a bad person after all. Maybe, you know, there, there's a ton of different, um, ways that you can go off of that. It's like general enough of an idea, but specific enough to where it's, um. Interesting.

Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And then somehow we could incorporate, uh, the Marvel Cinematic Universe and just, uh, get Disney, uh, in on it with us. And so it would be great. Disney? Uh, yeah, for, for all the listeners.

Speaker B: We got sued by Disney last week, so now we can only see exactly of them.

Speaker A: They're, they're listening on every episode, so they can have just a mounting evidence against us in trial. So, um, I'm sure that this will work in their favor.

Speaker B: Yeah. Is. Is this the podcast? By the way, this is a horrible question to ask, but are we in the podcast right now? Uh.

Speaker A: Uh, what do you mean?

Speaker B: Like, are we.

Speaker A: This portion that we just said.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Do I plan on keeping this in the podcast? Yeah.

Speaker B: Or were you asking the question for the podcast?

Speaker A: What do you mean?

Speaker B: Like, talking about the bitcoin story?

Speaker A: Oh, yeah. This is in the podcast.

Speaker B: Is or is not?

Speaker A: Uh, is. Is.

Speaker B: Hey, everybody. Welcome back.

Speaker A: Okay, we can kick it off right now if you want, and just get a clean, fresh start, uh, foregoing the bitcoin story. But I kind of like it.

Speaker B: No, I like the bitcoin story. I, uh, just was like, oh, Daniel's gonna ask, like, a quick question real quick. And then we were just talking about this idea, and I was like, oh, I think we're in the podcast. We didn't do our, like, little intro, but maybe not every episode needs an intro.

Speaker A: Did I say I was gonna ask a question?

Speaker B: Maybe, um, you could cut the audio however you want.

Speaker A: Hey, everybody. Uh, this is. Shut up and take my money. I'm here with my good pal, Tanner Mitchell. Uh, we've known each other since we were three at least, right? By some accounts, two and a half, right?

Speaker B: At the least. Yeah. Uh, the records don't always agree, but depends on which historian you're reading.

Speaker A: People told us that, uh, if we dorm together in college, we would hate each other, but it just made our friendship bond even stronger. So suck it. To everyone who. Who said and thought that, uh, our friendship couldn't stand the test of being in a dorm room together.

Speaker B: You know who you are. That's all I have to say.

Speaker A: If they still remember, it was probably an off comment that they made, uh, almost, what, 11 years ago now that they probably thought nothing of, but we were like, I've never been more offended in my whole life.

Speaker B: Yeah. It was so offensive and revolting of a thought. Like, how dare. Dare you. You must not know such good friends with Daniel afterwards.

Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, dude. Do you remember I loved the fact that we were old school and kind of just sending, uh, letters to each other when we were still missionaries?

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: When I sent you all those kinder eggs.

Speaker B: Yes. That was fantastic.

Speaker A: I love that they made it in one piece. Yeah, they.

Speaker B: They made it perfectly. Do you. Do you remember that I tried to, like, leave you a care package in the missionary training center, and I, like, shoved it in the ceiling somewhere, and then you're like, yeah, they, like, closed that building down. I Was like, oh, uh, dang.

Speaker A: Oh, I do vaguely remember that, like all of the Narnia holes that people were talking about. Yeah.

Speaker B: Although the Narnia hole, I think was like on top of the dressers behind in this tiny little square hole. Whereas this was like a huge usps, uh, package, uh, that I just shoved, man. On top of one of the ceiling tiles.

Speaker A: I'm so upset. I never got that.

Speaker B: It's okay.

Speaker A: I wonder if anyone found it. Maybe it's still there.

Speaker B: It might. There's probably tons of those missionaries are little mischievous 18 year olds.

Speaker A: I was going to say for, you know, for how much they teach you not to have secret combinations. Um, one of the biggest things about the MTC is like the little rituals that you do. Like, it's so funny. I don't know if, uh, if you guys had anything like this, um, before you left to go to the Brooklyn or, sorry, just the New York City Mission in general, but the night before we were to leave to, you know, get on an airplane and fly to Hungary, um, they pulled out like these wooden planks that had been inscribed with uh, just like signatures and quotes from, um, maybe like, I don't know, a couple years worth of missionaries. That's all that could have fit onto the planks, uh, at that point. But it was like, it was pretty expansive. I remember being surprised at how much it had been passed down from, from like missionary cohort to missionary cohort. Uh, um, then like we, we had the chance to pass the little planks around and like write something on them. And then like some. There's like this weird oath taking thing that I don't know that we did. And then we like slipped the goat's throat and carried on from there.

Speaker B: But yeah, it's hard to stomach down so much blood. But you know, we did it because we had to.

Speaker A: And cleanup was the worst.

Speaker B: Terrible.

Speaker A: Thank you. I didn't have any of the janitor's closet.

Speaker B: Yeah. Because we were the janitors mostly.

Speaker A: Yeah. Um, so, I mean, the bitcoin one, I'm going to keep it in and I think I'll probably keep the intro in the middle of this segment here. Um, ah, I think Joe over in Psychord, uh, he actually told me that he shared our episode to a couple people. So I, um, think Tammy, uh, and Phil, his, his close friends in Psych War 2 might be listening. So he might have three listeners this week, but I don't think they'll mind if we do the intro, uh, somewhere in the middle of the episode.

Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know if I trust Joe. Not that I don't trust him. I believe that he believes he shared it with Tammy. And who is the other person? Phil.

Speaker A: Phil. Yeah.

Speaker B: Yeah, Tammy and Phil. My concern is not knowing if Tammy and Phil are real or if they just exist in his padded little cell with him. But, you know, we could go pay him a visit. Ask me like, oh, where's Tammy? Oh, she's out again, Phil. Oh, he's out to this time.

Speaker A: Well, dang.

Speaker B: Uh, well, I hope we catch him.

Speaker A: We'll see on the metrics if it is, uh, three unique listeners or if it's just one listener who listened three times. So we have a pretty, uh, we can have a pretty empirical approach to that one. I'm hoping it's the former rather than the latter.

Speaker B: Yeah, if it's just one, I'll be like, uh, I hate to be right, but gosh, I love Joe

Speaker A: Tanner. I want to popcorn it over to you, uh, because, you know, I. I shared my brilliant or not so brilliant satoshi back in time theory. Um, do you have any. Anything that is at, ah, the tip of your tongue that we're going to get out now?

Speaker B: Um, I don't know about tip of the tongue, but I do have something that also is in, like, the art category, but it's also a product, so maybe, uh, maybe you'll like it. Okay, well, it's not a product. I guess I should start with the question, do you cry at some songs? Like, are there some songs. Is there some music that, uh, gets the.

Speaker A: That just hits me.

Speaker B: The crying reality? Yeah, that just hits you.

Speaker A: That just hit different.

Speaker B: Yeah. That just don't hit quite the same.

Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy. There. There are definitely some songs that. That do that for me, and I think that some. Everyone has, like, the different music that speaks to your soul. And it's really interesting to me, the people that I've, like, befriended over the years, to hear what songs do that for them, uh, versus the ones that do it for me. Because. And what I try to do is, even if the song that they like doesn't stir up anything in me, I try to put myself in their shoes and think, like, if I shared a piece of myself that was so intimate, um, that, like, made me cry every time I heard the song. I wouldn't want someone to be like, oh, cool, like, good song. You know, I would want them to be like, wow, that really does hit different. You know, even if they're just saying that for my sake. Um, but, uh, yeah, there definitely are, man. Most of them, I'd say, are more on the, uh, motivational side, but there are a couple love songs that will do that for me. But more than anything, it's, like, on the motivational side, and I even. Yeah, I know the ones that. Yeah, I could spout them out off the top of my head. But what are yours?

Speaker B: Um, like, what are my songs?

Speaker A: Yeah, I want. I'm curious to hear one of them.

Speaker B: So one of them is like, Viva la Vida. For sure.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. They just have, like, the sweeping orchestral parts. Like, it's both. The song is somehow, like, both optimistic and. It sounds sad. I'm not a music theory pro. I don't know how to describe it other than it sounds sad.

Speaker A: No, I like it. Uh, that's all we need. We have, uh, four emotions as humans.

Speaker B: Yeah. Sad, happy, acid heat, I think. Oh, wait, no, that's the cookbook. Dang it. Um, that's one song. Um, I didn't cry, but I, um, have Amazon prime through my lovely wife, and I've been like, oh, I'll just, like, put on the spongebob episodes in the background while I do work. Um, and it has to be, like, a specific kind of workflow where I, like, already know what I'm doing. I just need to do it anyway. Uh, that's just for any Googler people who are listening to this.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Um, I came, uh, across the Band Geeks episode where they sing Sweet Victory at the end.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: I don't know what it was. I didn't. I didn't cry, but I was just, like, overwhelmed with just, like, such positive, good feelings. And I think one is, like, nostalgia. Like, oh, I haven't heard this song in a while. Two is that. It's just, like, a solid song. It's really, uh, well done.

Speaker A: It is there. But, um, all of the spongebob songs, they really just put their heart and souls into that. Like, uh, you know the one Greasy Spoon. Um, well, that one's good, too. Um, that's where he. Mr. Krabs sells off SpongeBob, right? Yeah, yeah. I was thinking of, uh, the fool who Ripped His Pants. That one is pretty good, too. Even though it's meant to be, like,

Speaker B: comedic, but it's like casual surf rock song. I'm like, okay, yeah, beautiful.

Speaker A: That would have been a banger, like, back in the 60s with how popular the Beach Boys were.

Speaker B: Yeah, no kidding. Uh, yeah, so SpongeBob people go hard. But also, um, the song, I think, connected just because, like, I've also, I listened to a lot of, like, analysis YouTube videos because, uh, I don't think I'm inherently good at analyzing at least literature and stories as these other people are. And I really find it fascinating when people can not only connect things, but they, like, have these discrete pieces to back stuff up of, like, this is why this is important. But for that episode, they're like, yeah, usually Squidward, you know, grumpy, stuffy. And he has, like, reasons for being stuffy. Things haven't worked out for him. He's just old and crotchety and tired. Maybe not old is not the right word. But then finally on this, like, episode where, like, he really put himself out there. He wanted this thing so bad. And then he gets it because, like, the town is just, like, there with them. And, um, just very explicitly seeing that context and him getting a really important W, I was like, oh, my gosh, my heart is soaring.

Speaker A: He doesn't get too many wins, except for the canned bread. You know, in his, uh, Squidward society, where he goes and moves in with all of the other Squidwards and just loves it.

Speaker B: Yeah. Even though he left at the end, I'm sure he came. He came back consistently for canned bread.

Speaker A: Who wouldn't? I mean, canned bread, that just sounds like heaven.

Speaker B: Yeah, well, we'll get there as a species one day.

Speaker A: But they're there in Japan. Did you ever. Did you hit up their canned bread vending machines?

Speaker B: No, they had plenty of vending machines, but no, never saw canned bread.

Speaker A: You only hit up the naughty ones, huh, Daniel?

Speaker B: That's neither here nor there.

Speaker A: Well, I guess it's there. Sure it is there. What happens in Japan stays in Japan. I think that's the motto.

Speaker B: I think I just need to go back so I can find this canned bread vending machine. And it's. It's settled. Gotta make a return trip.

Speaker A: You, uh, these. You got hit really hard by that song from spongebob.

Speaker B: Um, hit really hard. And I was just like, it'd be cool if there was a service that could find music that would make you cry. I'm sure there's, like, a general enough set of songs where, like, yeah, this makes, like, everybody cry. Or like, ugh, who wouldn't cry at this song? But my, uh, initial hope in thinking of the idea is you feed it a number of songs.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: It figures out by some either discrete process or machine learning magic. Like, hey, you'd probably actually really like these things too. And then you go, listen. You just start breaking down. You're like, I Love this because, like, I. My experience with the crying during music is it's like the happy kind where, man, I just, like, feel good and, like you said, motivated and uplifted. Um, so, yeah, I just wish there was a service like that that could find that kind of music not based on genre, but based on, like, the effect it has on you. And then maybe generalize it to be like, this song will piss you off. You're just gonna be mad.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: And for some people, that's a Beach Boy song. For other people, it's, I don't know, death metal or something.

Speaker A: You know what's funny? I think Spotify is actually already probably kind of close to that. I'm sure that they are incorporating machine learning at, uh, multiple steps along the way. I kind of had an experience where there are some song types that really just speak to me, not necessarily in this motivational or, like, bring me to the verge of tears way that we were just talking about, but I definitely have a type of music where.

Speaker B: Where

Speaker A: if it is vaguely close to that type of music, then I just know that I'll love it and I listen to it and I'll undoubtedly, like, put a like on it. Um, and so the other day, one of the artists that I listened to is Daniel Caesar. And so Spotify was making recommendations based on, like, the Daniel Caesar songs that I had, like, liked and other adjacent artists who play a similar type of music. And I was literally liking every single type of song that. That they had suggested. It was crazy. One of the artists that it recommended was Rini or R I N. I think that's Rene. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I think that they're getting dangerously close to that and will probably only continue to perfect it. And that's built on, you know, probably what other people who have had certain types of music resonate with them, what they have liked and then what they went on to listen to. And so it's almost like a herd curation.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: So there's probably, like, people who are carbon copies of my music taste out there, uh, who cry at the same music, who laugh or get pumped up at the same music, um, and they're liking and finding different things. Uh, and Spotify can now, you know, kind of recommend me these paths that they have taken, and they can look at the music that I like and recommend it to them. I think it's pretty crazy.

Speaker B: That'd be crazy if there was like, a, uh. What's the word? A partnership between a dating service like Tinder and Spotify. To where, like you said, let's say Spotify does crack some code where they're like, oh, like when I'm recommending Daniel songs that would make him cry. I'm actually just pulling from this vast amount of data from other people who've identified like similar songs to where it's like the set of people. And so then you could go in to uh, like somebody's profile and you're like, oh, this person's cool. And you scroll down, there's like a verified Spotify thing. Like, hey, this person 95%, like emotional or maybe just music match on Spotify. Like, maybe you don't listen to the same stuff, but like, you're probably gonna like the same stuff for the same reasons.

Speaker A: Wow, that's really deep. I bet that they have thought of that for sure. I mean, it makes sense. Like if you can connect with someone over certain types of music, um, I mean music is so indicative of how we approach so many other aspects of life.

Speaker B: Right?

Speaker A: So if you connect with someone on that front, um, then I think that there's the grounds there for a good match. It's really interesting that you bring up that connection between Spotify and Tinder because I was talking to a founder, uh, through the clubhouse room that I hold a couple of weeks ago now, and she was at a crossroads of AI machine learning, uh, and then also video analysis, uh, particularly as it relates to, uh, dating. And she was trying to sell this tool that she was building into big dating platforms like Tinder or Bumble. Um, but one of the things that she specialized in was analyzing personality traits based on video footage. And so the reason she was trying to sell it into dating services is because she had figured out through hours and hours of, you know, machine learning driven video analysis, uh, different scores that you can give to people in different categories. Think like an empathy score, for example. Um, so if you, you know, if you're analyzing someone who is, uh, very empathetic, uh, they have certain mannerisms, ways that they speak, head nods, whatever the case is, that generally indicate high empathy. Or maybe they use specific words that indicate high empathy. Um, and so, you know, it's almost gotten to the point, kind of black mirror ish in a sense, where you can completely like analyze someone down to their, their empathy score based on just having video footage of them. And just think of how that could be utilized in a, uh, you know, a dating setting where you can just already know that much more perhaps like how compatible you'll be with someone, uh, based on those kind of Characteristics. It kind of leaves me feeling a little icky in a sense. Uh, but also it's kind of cool icky because it's like. Oh, man. It may take like the.

Speaker B: Like my brain puzzle. Yeah. My brain puzzle pieces fit into your brain puzzle pieces.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Should be together. Cool.

Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And, uh, I swear that's. There's a black mirror. I want to say that's not exactly based on that premises, but do you

Speaker B: remember it's very close.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you saw that one, right? Where it's like, kill the go.

Speaker B: The dj, I think.

Speaker A: Yeah. They go through, like a million simulations, uh, that's basically ends up just being a part of this dating app. Um, and it, uh, the way they do it in the episode is they play it out as if the people are actually experiencing these simulations and how often or how many outcomes out of how many they end up being together. Um, but then in real life, they're not actually experiencing the simulations. It's all just algorithms on the back end that's running to see how compatible they are.

Speaker B: Um, yeah, they just, like, look down at their whatever device and see a number like, oh, 98. Oh, cool. But in these simulations mind, they're like, oh, I've just, like, been pretty much brought to life and killed a thousand times so that the real ones can see if they want to hook up or not exactly.

Speaker A: Yeah. But, yeah, it's so funny. And, uh, in a separate clubhouse room, not one that I held, they were actually talking about this concept as it relates to serial killers. And I thought this was really interesting because serial killers in particular, um, they had tons of video analysis of different interviews that they had done with them to try to figure out if m. There are similarities that we can catch almost in a Minority Report esque type of way, which is, again, kind of like, creepy, like, icky. Where. Where's like, the free agency in this? But one of the things that they did determine was serial killers have significantly less head movement, uh, when they're talking. Um, and so they tend to keep their head still. Um, sometimes they can have like. You know, we've even talked about it before, like that piercing serial killer glaze. Uh, or it's like the fundamentalist type of look where it's just like they're only ever going to believe one thing no matter what. Like the Earth present events in front of them.

Speaker B: Jesus, this is bad news. I'm gonna get out of here.

Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B: I'm also like, huh, huh, Is my neck sore? Have I been moving my head at all? No.

Speaker A: Yeah, ever since I heard that, I like deliberately try to move my head more in conversations so people don't think I'm a serial killer. I can't have them, uh, can't let them know.

Speaker B: Yeah, I can't let them figure out. Have to make a joke on a podcast about it to also make sure, hey, you know, cover my track, do anything.

Speaker A: Part of the master plan, man.

Speaker B: Just a master plan.

Speaker A: Oh yeah, that was a good tangent right there. But, um, yeah, wait, real quick.

Speaker B: I was thinking of when you were talking about the startup, like analyzing video. I'm like, I wonder if they also did like parts of the video where they make people go through like, you know, the shock experiment where an authority figure tells you to like turn up the shock and you hear a fake voice that's like in pain. But they found that a lot of people will like do what the authority figure tells them to do and like keep raising, uh, the intensity of the shocks.

Speaker A: Oh, I've never heard that.

Speaker B: Oh, yeah, um, I think I read it, uh, in a college course. I think it was part of Ordinary Men or something like that. Or at least the idea is the same. Like, yeah, people under authority figures will do a lot of stuff even if they're like, this is wrong. But I was just thinking like, oh, what if that's one of her data points? And if people are just like, oh, I'll just turn it all the way up right off the bat. You just like, hey, throw this guy in a jail cell. He's bad news. He doesn't care about anyone.

Speaker A: Yeah. Then we can get into the pre crime prevention that, that happens in Minority Report. Did you ever watch that? You know what I'm talking about when I say that?

Speaker B: Yeah, that's like the, they uh, see the crimes happen, but they haven't happened yet. So then they like go stop them. The guy's like, uh, oh, but I haven't even done anything yet. But you were gonna.

Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. The oracles, I think that's what they call them. But there's three of them and they can all see the future before it happens. Yeah. And then. Really interesting. Yeah.

Speaker B: Because I think one of the thoughts they use to like strengthen their case of one of the people who's like skeptical. He's like, but no, the people really haven't done it yet. And he like rolls a ball off a table at him and the guy catches it, he's like, why'd you catch it? Because it was going to fall. He's like, yeah, exactly like, but you stopped it, and that's what we're doing. Like, oh, Minority Report. This is insane.

Speaker A: Yeah. Do you think? Go ahead.

Speaker B: Would you be content if there are people in jail? I don't know.

Speaker A: I.

Speaker B: It's hard to trust governing bodies to, like, stay consistent and fair and unbiased over large periods of time.

Speaker A: Yeah. You mean, would I trust if that kind of program existed or something similar

Speaker B: where, like, if there's people in jail today that, like, they literally hadn't done anything, but they got caught by this. This algorithm.

Speaker A: Uh, it's so crazy. I'm. I feel embattled by that because, you know, part of me that screaming,

Speaker B: you

Speaker A: know, free agency exists. Some people could be poised up until the very moment to do something, heinous or otherwise, and then decide not to, you know, back away from the ledge. Um, in which case, like, you know, they should have every opportunity, I guess, to be able to make decisions for themselves and not have their future changed or distorted because of what we think, like, they're going to do or what we think their potential is. Um, but then the other part of me is. Really relates to that ball rolling off the table analogy where, let's say that you could predict with a high amount of accuracy that 99% of people that demonstrated certain characteristics the exact same way every single time would likely end up committing, like, crimes. I feel like there's probably got to be some golden middle path, uh, where it's like, maybe you don't throw them in jail. Right. This is me trying to appease both sides that I have screaming at me of. No, it's just. Or, yes, it's, like, unjust. Um, where, uh, maybe there can be reform programs or something. Maybe just ship them all off to an island. I don't know. That's what happened with Australia. They turned out okay.

Speaker B: Put targeted spam mail in their folders. Like, hey, you just need a meditation or yoga course.

Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B: Chill out, bud.

Speaker A: That could work.

Speaker B: Yeah. Get some emotional resistance training.

Speaker A: Yeah, man.

Speaker B: All good.

Speaker A: You know what's so interesting, uh, is going with that. That concept of. I don't know. I really like dystopian future stuff. It's funny because I feel like last episode, I brought up the apocalypse. This episode, I brought up Satoshi Nakamoto going back in time to real quick. Yeah.

Speaker B: Um, in terms of original thoughts and stupid puns. But I, uh, thought when you were talking about, you know, the pronunciation of the word anonymity, I was like, what if there's a crypto coin called anano Mighty just to be like, oh, yeah, it's the strongest crypto out there. Ananomighty that stupid. I searched the term on Google when I thought of it, and there's a Reddit user named Non Almighty with like zero posts or anything. And then the second result.

Speaker A: God on Earth.

Speaker B: Yeah, maybe it's me from the future, but it's also the second result. Like, it doesn't pop up again. Second results, like free stories with sexy pictures.

Speaker A: I'm like, well, wow, there you go. I'm sure they could benefit from a blockchain ledger that's just completely, uh, anonymous.

Speaker B: And that'll be our sponsor for the next episode.

Speaker A: Anonymity, Reach out. We're open to sponsors of any and all kinds. We're getting pretty desperate here. Yeah.

Speaker B: Joe's not helping us pay the bills.

Speaker A: No, not at all.

Speaker B: But he does help our souls. That's important too.

Speaker A: That's true. Yeah, he. I mean, currency in his mind was, uh, the paper clips that he stole off of his supervisor's desk.

Speaker B: He tried paying after seeing Silence of the Lambs. I'm terrified of what a single paperclip can accomplish.

Speaker A: Oh, geez. Silence of the Lambs. Serial killers. I mean, what, what's, what's his name again? Do you remember his name?

Speaker B: Yeah, uh, I couldn't think of a stupid name. It's Hannibal Lecter.

Speaker A: Hannibal Lecter. How do you forget that? But, uh, he's probably one who could trick a serial killer test where it's like, he would probably specifically exhibit characteristics that would allow him to fly under the radar and not be seen as a serial killer. And I think that's. That's the whole premise of, uh, the Hannibal series, I think.

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker A: Yeah. They made a series about him.

Speaker B: Yeah. That's the scary thing with, like, any kind of test. It's like, man, once people are aware they're being tested, they're going to figure out ways to, like, get past it.

Speaker A: Yeah. So you have to incorporate that into the parameters of the test, I guess. Right. How do you create a test that dynamic?

Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. That has solid results?

Speaker A: Yeah. That's crazy, man. All right, I want to shift to something that, uh, is not as dystopian, but also is kind of dystopian. Uh, did you ever see the movie Snowpiercer?

Speaker B: Yes, I did.

Speaker A: I. I forget why, but I thought

Speaker B: about it earlier this week.

Speaker A: Really? Oh, dude, it must, it must be meant to be that we're discussing something kind of similar. Um, but, oh, I remember.

Speaker B: I thought of Tilda Swinton. And I was like, she was in Snowpiercer. What a fun day.

Speaker A: Uh, I just remember Chris Evans being in it. Captain America.

Speaker B: Yeah, the captain.

Speaker A: Okay, so this next idea that I wanted to talk about, uh, is called the G Train. And I just love it because it's called the G Train, uh, and it's a palace on wheels. Um, it's like a luxury train concept. So, I mean, I'm sure you can imagine what happens in paradise on the G Train. Um, but, uh, anyway, so swimming. Exactly. Some kind of swimming, for sure. So it's by this French, uh, designer that's called. I'm, uh, gonna butcher his name. Uh, but he's not listening. So it's. It's Thierry Gauguin. Um, okay. And it's meant to be like the super yacht of rail travel. And just like the concept of it in and of itself kind of made me think of Snowpiercer, because, you know, that that whole train had the whole class distinct distinction in terms of, uh, the different, uh, train pieces.

Speaker B: Yeah, you got train cabins come up top.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker B: Um, train pieces.

Speaker A: Um, but, you know, this guy designs all kinds of stuff that's favored, uh, by the rich people, the famous people who are just looking for oodles of money to spend. And, uh, he just turned his attention to train travel. Um, and so the G train concept, I'm reading this now, uh, it aims to take rail travel up several notches. Um, he described a vision of a palace on rails, um, that would stretch more than thirteen, ah, hundred feet long with fourteen cars. Um, and every train, it's meant to have one unique owner. So it really is like a yacht. Like, one person owns it. Um, which I find kind of interesting because, you know, rails are generally not, you know, owned in that way. I don't know, I guess neither are waters, in a sense. Like, they're kind of internationally owned or owned by countries. But, um, I just found that interesting in that in order to operate your train, you either have to, you know, lay rail, be that independently wealthy that you can just lay thousands of miles of rail, or you have to, like, operate on existing rail. So that part is interesting. Uh, but it's not a public train or a passenger train. Um, let's see, it says, uh, it's not just a train for an owner who is, uh, seeking transport between points A and B, but is instead looking to enjoy the journey, he explained. Um, and so it's equipped with things like a dining car, a gym. Uh, he described coming into the train kind of like, entering a toy chest, so to speak. Um, and it's a chest that would hold cars, motorcycles, off road vehicles, everything. Um, there's a bunch of concept pictures available for it online. It's really interesting. I don't know, maybe you can punch it in real quick and just see some of the G train pictures. Um, but he thinks that it would take more than two years and cost more than $350 million to come up with one of these. Um, and so you definitely got to be. I mean, you basically got to be a billionaire if you don't want to spend half of your net worth on that. If you're just a sad multimillionaire in the hundreds of millions. Um, and so maybe something that, uh, Jeff Bezos would eye, now that he's got space, uh, checked off of his bucket, uh, list. But, yeah, man, I just found it super interesting, um, because I really like the concept pictures, but I'm just like, I don't know who. Who in their right mind would ever even go for something like that. It just seems, like, too extravagant. Do you know, like, uh, do you ever see things where you're just like, wow, you know, I. I have this part of me that likes fancy stuff, but I'd never, ever, ever go that extravagant. Like, has there. Has anything ever set off that bell for you?

Speaker B: Yeah, um, extra guac at Chipotle? Uh, there have definitely been things that have come up where I'm like, yeah, even if, you know, I somehow stumbled my way into so much money, I still don't think I'd buy this thing. Uh, nothing comes to mind at the moment.

Speaker A: Um, well, I, like, probably walk at Chipotle. That's like, I don't care how much money I have. I'm never gonna pay for guacamole. Bring my own avocados.

Speaker B: Uh, I'm, like, trying to think of, like, rich people, things like pretentious experimental meals. Which, you know, pretentious may not be the right word, but spending $10,000 for a chef to make a meal inside your mouth, I don't know. I think that's a literal thing. Maybe this is one of those cases where, uh, I'm stealing this from somewhere, but I feel like that's been a thing where, you know, the chef combines the ingredients in your mouth, and then it's like, okay, you can eat it now. And then you're like, oh, wow, what a. What a cool experience.

Speaker A: Yeah. What a. What a. Was that a British chef who was, uh, who was doing the designing in your fantasy? There. Or was he like a nor' easter that kind of had like a fancy but also not completely British accent?

Speaker B: Um, I already forgot what I said. That's how in the moment I live, Daniel. But probably the Yoohoo some of Blowout or something like that from Frozen, whatever that is.

Speaker A: Oh, man. It's funny because all chefs are just Italian in my mind all the time, so I don't see anything else other than an Italian chef.

Speaker B: That's what the media tells me they got to be right, you know?

Speaker A: Exactly. They have to do that.

Speaker B: I'm looking at like a G train. Uh, is one of the pictures like these dunes of sand behind and it's just like this black metallic looking. Yeah, it's like spiky at the top.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: I don't know if you show. Seen the show Berserk, but this looks like, uh, a dude named Femto looks scary.

Speaker A: No, no, I've never seen that. How interesting. But yeah, man. So the, the G train. I, uh, I love the concept. I wonder what the. The G stands for. Maybe it's just the guy's last name. I. I guess, like, his name's Terry Gauguin. So the G could just be the Gauguin train, but I figured that wasn't as exciting as other stuff.

Speaker B: Yeah, he could have rhymed it. It could have been the Gauguin train.

Speaker A: Wow. What a missed opportunity. Uh, that's really sad. But maybe he doesn't pronounce it that way and so that's why it's not a missed opportunity. But I feel like in America that would have gotten some publicity because we would have pronounced it Gagaine the Gagin Train.

Speaker B: It's like, now, G train. That'll work. It's funny because it, like, I feel like so many things are preceded by the letter G. G shocks, uh, other

Speaker A: things not to be named.

Speaker B: Other things not to be named. No. I was actually thinking about, uh, there's a lot of internal work tools that start with a G and then dash something. And I'm like, oh, maybe it's not as broad of a thing.

Speaker A: You guys have all kinds of G things up at Google.

Speaker B: Huh? Huh? Yeah, it's scary over here.

Speaker A: All kinds of G areas that you can just tap right into.

Speaker B: Yeah. So you can't tap into all of them. I actually tried, um, last time we podcasted, I talked about, like, the DeepMind company. Uh, Google bought them a while ago, and I tried to like, go look in their code base that, like, exists at Google. And it was like, hey, this is the first time this has happened to me in two, uh, years. It's like you don't have. You can't look at those files. And I was like, oh, it finally happened. A part of the code base that I can't see.

Speaker A: That would have been fun just to pop that open and just see how crazy complex it all is. Or at least complex by my standards.

Speaker B: No, likewise, they've open sourced some other stuff and I'm sure it looks, uh, very similar, but. Yeah, wild.

Speaker A: All right, man. Do you want to round us out? Do you have one more idea? If not, I got, I got one too.

Speaker B: No, I got an idea. Daniel.

Speaker A: Sweet. Let's hit it. Let's hit that G. So that.

Speaker B: Let's hit it. Let's. I think I get a lot out of nostalgia, um, at least I'm finding that more and more, uh, as I take more note of it and like things that I, um, appreciate. And so I want to know what you think about a high fidelity VR service that would like, map the layout of your house so that you can go in VR and like walk through your house, uh, in the future, whenever you'd want to.

Speaker A: Wow. Terrible. No, I'm just kidding. No, uh, I think it's really cool. I really like that concept and believe it or not, I just had a conversation with someone not around that in particular, um, um, but very similar in concept. Uh, uh, it was audio based though. And so, uh, it was a founder who's trying to validate this idea of whether or not people would, um, would go on audio adventures. Like imagine if you could just have a travel guide in your ear 24, 7, wherever you go. Um, that's interactive, right? So if you go to Stonehenge, um, your little Jarvis in your ear could say, all right, now face the northeast corner of Stonehenge. Are you facing it? Uh, uh, and then once you say yes, um, then you, you know, proceed to the next portion of the chat. Um, and uh, they just go on and on. This, this audio travel guide, I mean in your ear, just tells you everything about a specific spot. And we were talking about how if you kind of break out that concept and go, uh, an adjacent direction. One thing that people would use a service like that for is if they could integrate their own audio experiences into something. And so let's say that, uh, I don't know, the first date that you had with Emily, uh, if you were able to record it, five guys. Yeah, that might be kind of weird, right? If it's first date, um, you tell her after the fact like two years later I recorded our first date so that we could play it back. Um, but maybe sweet at the same time. It depends on how you look at it.

Speaker B: Funny. Real quick tangent about that. Emily and I, when we went on our first date, both had, uh, friends unknowing, like unbeknownst to us. Take pictures of us at, ah, five guys on our first date. So like we have multiple pictures of us the first time that we ever met. Which is crazy.

Speaker A: That's special. That's really rare. That's crazy that that happened.

Speaker B: I'm broken hearted they didn't bust out. High tech 3D audio and visual equipment. Now, um, yeah, all I have is this picture. I can't just walk through that. Delicious. Five guys. Right?

Speaker A: So running back with that and this concept of nostalgia and being able to, you know, you had brought it up in the context of revisiting your childhood home or something like that. What if you could capture conversations or moments? And right now I'm just thinking explicitly audio, but you could expand it to video as well. Where, I don't know, let's say I am capturing a really fun moment with my son, uh, and it's audio based. And then 15 years down the road, let's say you can somehow mark these things and tie them to a geographic location. Um, so if he is ever in the vicinity again, he gets a notification that he has an audio memory or call it a VR memory, if it's video that's stored in the vicinity, um, and he can go check it out, um, and he can stand where he stood when he was like a kid, um, and hear the conversation or the interaction that took place. Uh, and I think that that would just be really cool. It's a great to revisit these memories. Um, I think someday we're going to figure out what code our memories are written in and we're going to be able to, uh, quote, unquote, like hack it in a sense to where we could, I don't know, maybe even go as far as download our memories and just view everything that way, which I think would be really cool. But a placeholder that we have the means to do right now is to just capture everything, you know, in real time, uh, in audio and video, uh, and then geotag it and kind of store it as a memory for forever.

Speaker B: I'm thinking of uploading memories to people. Make them think they killed somebody. Be like, hey, you pay me money or I'm going to tell they think they killed someone. They think

Speaker A: and you, you're set for life. You got a recurring source of income after that from the blackmail?

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Brilliant.

Speaker B: I can just. And then I delete the memory of them being blackmailed by me. It's all good.

Speaker A: Oh, wow. So they're just cashing, uh, this check every month, but they can't even remember why? Yeah, man. With. With, uh, great power comes great responsibility.

Speaker B: That may even be a scarier concept than the like. Oh, you know, we're just in a simulation. It's like someone can control your memory, and when something happens that they don't like, they just like, shift it around and then you're back to. Back to their. The way, uh, the state of things that they like for you.

Speaker A: Wow, that's crazy. I mean, if you think of a future where we can download memories, I feel like upload wouldn't be too far off from that. And then right in the wrong hands, that does seem like it could be a very scary reality. I mean, did you. Did you hear about, uh, what is that? The Havana effect? Have you heard about that?

Speaker B: The banana effect? What's that?

Speaker A: The Babana? No, it's a Havana. Like Havana, Cuba?

Speaker B: Yeah. Half of my heart was in Havana.

Speaker A: Only half. Um, but, ah, yeah. So syndrome, um, it's crazy. So apparently foreign, uh, individuals. And this specifically happened once people went to Cuba and came back. And it started in the. Late. In late 2016. Um, people, like foreign nationals. Sorry, not foreign nationals, like US nationals, were going abroad to Cuba and then coming back with unexplainable symptoms. Um, and let's see. I want to see if I can find some of the symptoms.

Speaker B: Uh,

Speaker A: but it's basically, if I recall correctly, the symptoms people were exhibiting were those. As if they had experienced brain trauma, um, or like serious brain injury, like concussion. Uh, and it was actually visible on cat scans and MRIs that there had been some kind of damage done there. And they think that, uh, they were being targeted by these crazy high tech wave devices, um, that could essentially just like, mess up your brain from a distance. Um, and that, you know, completely hard to trace. Like, hard to even know that the damage is occurring at the time. But these symptoms are showing up after the fact. And there were like a couple hundred US Nationals that were affected by it.

Speaker B: Jeez, that's. That.

Speaker A: Yeah, I have not heard of that.

Speaker B: But that's.

Speaker A: That's like scary stuff, right?

Speaker B: Like, um, I'm like, with a gun, other people at least know, oh, Tanner got shot. But with this thing, it's like, oh, he just kind of died. And then Oh, I guess he had something wrong with his brain. Like, there's. His brain was fine. Is. Someone shot a tumor cannon at him.

Speaker A: Right. It says, uh, one study considered microwave weapons to be a main suspect, uh, for what they were using to cause this damage. It's so interesting. Yeah, man. And, uh, it just goes to show what. Like, we create tools, and I think the Internet is the best example of that. Humans create tools, and then the tools can be used either to good ends or bad ends based on the hands of the individual that they're in.

Speaker B: Yeah, that I wouldn't like. I'd be like. I'm sorry I'm saying this, but could we go back to guns? I don't prefer these microwave cannons that we're using on each other.

Speaker A: I know it's crazy. And it's like. It's a little more subtle.

Speaker B: Uh, although I guess that's like Geneva Convention. They're like, hey, let's do Roar. Let's do war right this next time we have it. Yeah.

Speaker A: Let's not pour acid all over an entire people. You guys cool with that?

Speaker B: Cool. Like, well, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A: Crazy. We always end on, like, uh, crazy. I mean, always. This is our second time, I guess, but last time, we ended on just, uh, like, hallucinations and whatnot. This isn't too far off this time as well. Havana syndrome. People with brain damage, uh, like, they. They. Some of them have, um, like, tinnitus as a recurring symptom afterwards, where they just hear, like, incessant ringing and stuff.

Speaker B: Ugh.

Speaker A: Yeah. Pretty crazy, man. Well, folks, that's all for this week on Shut up and Take My Money.

Speaker B: This is the 10th time you've listened to it. Daniel and I cracked the technology, and we're gonna wipe it, and you're gonna listen to it again. So thank you for your unsolicited patronage.

Speaker A: This is actually the 1000th episode, but you guys just think it's the second one. Or maybe we just think it's the sep. Second one. Maybe we're the ones who are a slave and what we actually come up with.

Speaker B: That's what I was saying. Yeah.

Speaker A: That people love so much that they just trick us into thinking that we're just early on so we still have all this momentum and want to carry it forward. We're like, whoo. Episode number two. Let's go.

Speaker B: Yeah. It's like the whole Dark Knight Rises thing, where they're like, oh, they put you in this hole where you have hope. Because, like, that's actually the most torturing Thing. So the simulation isn't just to make, uh, us suffer, and it's not just to, like, bring us peace. It's just to somewhere right in the middle to where we believe we can figure out a solution. And then, you know, if we actually do or not is a time will tell. But whoever the simulation runners are, they're like, oh, like, let's go get lunch while we run the simulation 10 billion times. We're just an iteration.

Speaker A: Well, hopefully someday we'll, uh, be in that position of, uh, going to get lunch, uh, while we let the simulation just run for a little bit. Hey, Bob, let's go catch, uh, that new burrito place down the street. People of Earth will be fine for a couple minutes.

Speaker B: For a couple millennia.

Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, shit, man. M. We let it run for 5,000 years.

Speaker B: How'd they do? Oh, man, we gotta restart. I'm not even gonna look to see what happened.

Speaker A: Damn it. That's the third time this month, man.

Speaker B: No one brought him bitcoin. I thought we specifically programmed in bitcoin.

Speaker A: I had to save all my swear words for the end because it's unlikely that anyone's tuned in this long. And so, uh, it's just, uh, people won't think less of me for having sworn at the end because they won't know that I did it.

Speaker B: Because they won't know. And then if. We'll just wipe their memory if they do.

Speaker A: Can't say the same for you, man. I'm going to keep in the bitch that you. You threw in at the beginning, Daniel.

Speaker B: No. Was it recording?

Speaker A: I'm pretty sure it was.

Speaker B: No, but that's funny.

Speaker A: I'll, uh, send it to the bishop afterwards. You might have to.

Speaker B: He knows.

Speaker A: Bust out chocolates. Send out a thousand dollars for your forgiveness.

Speaker B: Send it to everyone, Daniel. They should know that's scared of the truth.

Speaker A: The truth will set you free.

Speaker B: That's fair. That's true. Oh, man.

Speaker A: All right, man. I think, uh. I think it's time to round it out.

Speaker B: Uh, sounds good.

Speaker A: Gonna go get ready for bed here. Or at least get my boy ready for bed.

Speaker B: Yeah, real quick. I. I wonder if Joe and Psych Ward thinks he's crazy because, like, he tunes in this podcast. He's like, man, some of it's really nice, and then other times they're just talking about, like, human rights violation. Like, humans as a species level of rights violation, reality rights violations.

Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, uh, crazy is relative, right? I. I hope that he thinks he's crazy, because then, yeah, he's at least a little self aware. And I feel like. Doesn't the truth sets you free, man? Right. It's like, if I was crazy and I knew I was crazy, I think I'd be okay with that. But if I was crazy and I didn't know it, that would just be. But then I wouldn't know it. And so it's a catch 22, and I wouldn't be able to leave the war because I'm crazy.

Speaker B: Yeah. They're like, he's fine. Give him a gun.

Speaker A: All right, this has been. Shut up and take my money for the second time. Or the 1000th time, depending how many times her brain has been washed. But, uh, hopefully you guys enjoyed it, and we'll, uh, catch you on the next one.

Speaker B: Yes. See you.