
Leading Up: The Work Shift · 2026-03-10 · 45 min
What if the habit that's made you successful is also holding you back? Meg Josephson, therapist and author of the New York Times bestseller Are You Mad at Me?, joins Elizabeth Weingarten to break down the psychology of people pleasing and its hidden cost on leadership. Drawing on her research and clinical work, Meg explains the "fawn response," the lesser-known survival mechanism that drives us to appease rather than assert, and why high achievers are especially susceptible. People pleasing erodes trust, keeps relationships shallow, and quietly undermines your authority - and Meg explains what to do about it. Follow Leading Up: The Work Shift on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen. New episodes drop Tuesdays.