Joiners · 2026-06-29 · 1h 25m
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38 / 100
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Mindy Siegel returns to Joiners as the show's first repeat guest to discuss her evolution as a hospitality operator in Chicago. The conversation centers on her reflections about her difficult 15-year tenure running a hot chocolate restaurant before pivoting to her current bakery business - a period she describes as miserable but ultimately transformative. Mindy articulates a clear stance on how restaurants should prioritize staff welfare through pre-opening budgets dedicated to employee benefits rather than lavish design budgets. She challenges the notion of pursuing Michelin stars as a primary goal, arguing instead for a focus on authenticity and service-driven excellence. The discussion touches on her relationships with other Chicago female pastry chefs like Jeannie, the competitive dynamics within high-end male-dominated kitchens, and her observations about operational standards like proper cooler temperatures (32-40 degrees). Most exciting, Mindy reveals her next phase: creating bespoke 12-person dinners at her newly renovated home kitchen with a solarium addition, designed as YouTube content where she customizes multi-course meals based on viewer submissions about why someone deserves a special experience.
She says she hated every minute and would erase it if possible, but acknowledges not knowing the counterfactual - the restaurant's existence set her up for what came after, and she's made peace with it through self-forgiveness.
She believes budgets should fund staff welfare including insurance, daycare, and team compensation rather than lavish architectural or design budgets, since employees are what actually make a restaurant successful.
Mindy disagrees with star-chasing as a primary goal, arguing it loses authenticity; she believes chefs should pursue excellence in service and customer care instead, and thinks more Michelin chefs should emulate Noah Pegler's approach.
She's renovating her home kitchen with a solarium to host custom-designed intimate dinners for 12 people, creating YouTube content where viewers nominate deserving individuals and she designs personalized multi-course meals for them.
She keeps her refrigerator between 32 and 40 degrees and calls her service provider if it drops below 40 degrees.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The vast majority of the 85-minute episode is occupied by filler: grocery cart rage, birthday meal recaps, bathroom graffiti, cannabis stories, concert etiquette, potato chip preferences, and cake flavors. The handful of genuinely substantive moments - about Michelin-chasing culture, pre-opening budget philosophy, and self-medicating with weed - are brief and underdeveloped before the conversation veers off again.
I never enjoyed one minute of it.
I also don't agree with large opening budgets. Sorry, Shannon. For, um, for design. I think you should take your pre opening budget. Your budget, uh, your entire budget. Construction, design, architectural, legal. And you should put in a fund for your staff
There are a few genuinely contrarian positions - rejecting Michelin-star chasing as incompatible with authentic hospitality, finding googled personalization in restaurants 'creepy,' and arguing that pre-opening investment should go to staff funds - but none are developed with rigor or first-principles reasoning. The episode mostly recycles anecdote and opinion without building toward a coherent argument.
Why would you pursue a Michelin star? Why wouldn't you pursue excellence in your restaurant?
if you Google me before I come to your restaurant, that's an invasion of my privacy
Mindy Segal is a genuine Chicago hospitality practitioner with 15+ years operating Hot Chocolate and a subsequent bakery funded through a real cannabis-company partnership with Cresco - she has actually done it, including the painful parts. She is not a national A-lister or an operator at exceptional scale, and the conversation barely scratches the surface of her actual operational knowledge.
I would have to had 22 investors like I did at Hot Chocolate
I called Charlie and I said to him, the head of Cresco, I said to him, I need you to come Here. And look to see what the Edible company did for 18 people
There are a handful of concrete data points - 22 investors at Hot Chocolate, Cresco having 5 employees at the time of partnership, 18 current bakery employees, 15 years of misery - and a dense layer of Chicago restaurant and chef name-dropping. However, no revenue figures, unit economics, timelines with milestones, or operational metrics appear anywhere in the episode.
when I partnered with them, they had five employees
I would have to had 22 investors like I did at Hot Chocolate
The hosts occasionally land a genuinely good follow-up - pushing on whether the 15 miserable years had 'different eras,' probing the self-medication angle, and lightly challenging Mindy's claim that Chicago's food scene isn't competitive. But most of the episode is a friendly chat among people who know each other well, with little pressure applied and many tangents left completely unresolved.
Was it a 15 year block of shit? Or were there different eras within that
You think there was a reason for that? Like, were you self medicating or you just like
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
For the first time in Joiners history, we welcome back a repeat guest: Mindy Segal. A longtime friend of the pod, Mindy remains one of our favorite people to talk to. She's funny, fearless, deeply thoughtful about hospitality, and never especially interested in keeping an opinion to herself (but she's working on it). She continues to hold it down at Mindy’s Bakery, the deeply personal neighborhood shop where weekend lines wrap around the block, the pastries inspire cult-like devotion, and her team has room to grow, experiment, and practice their craft. She comes to the studio bearing a birthday cake for Danny, teases an intimate new concept, and catches us up on everything else. We talk: the art of a real apology, getting “cancelled” for five minutes, Chicago bakery politics, concert etiquette, dirty bathrooms, dabbing with Mike Sula, why the best hospitality often has nothing to do with restaurants - and so much more.
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
Speaker A: Welcome to Joiners, the podcast with Tim and Danny, where each week we explore the world of hospitality by chatting with its most colorful characters. Danny's pointing to the Joyner's logo on his T shirt.
Speaker B: Yep.
Speaker A: That's an old prototype T shirt sample that we didn't end up making with Pocket.
Speaker B: So good.
Speaker A: Uh, it is a good T shirt.
Speaker B: People recently been asking about some merch.
Speaker A: I know. We've had T shirts that we've been giving to guests. Oh, I didn't give them to Mindy. Um, but anyway, we need to get those up for sale. We need a new website. Our website is, uh, old and outdated. We're too busy.
Speaker B: Can't clock.
Speaker A: Danny's opening a new bar. Making uniforms.
Speaker B: Yep. Um, so. Yep. I turned 40 yesterday.
Speaker A: Happy.
Speaker B: I'm in the club with Tim now. Thank you.
Speaker C: Thanks.
Speaker A: I gave Danny two gifts, and I made him open them in front of me.
Speaker B: They were great, which was my gift,
Speaker A: was to watch him struggle.
Speaker B: One epic vintage, um, Formula one hat that had, like. There was a racing car, basically driving cap that had, like.
Speaker A: It was too funny not to get
Speaker B: the tail of the racing car.
Speaker A: It has, like, plastic components.
Speaker B: It was pretty.
Speaker A: That make hat look like I gotta wear it.
Speaker B: We gotta put that in the show notes. And then a custom putter with the Scofflaw logo. That's my last name. Where the word Chicago goes, uh, in the Scofflaw logo, which is very cool.
Speaker A: The hole tickler, as you dubbed it. Right. Yeah.
Speaker B: I didn't. Not. That was Tim's name for it.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker B: Um, but, yeah, Ellie, you know, my wife has done an incredible job leading into this birthday as well. She booked a series of meals with my friends, which is kind of all that I wanted, was to see people, friends and family, um, and eat, uh, throughout the city of Chicago. Started a Dongpo impression in Chinatown. We went to Chef special, went, uh, to Allwell with Tim and Shannon. Went to Elka. Went to Pizza Michi last night. Did, uh, Bracero and Perilla. Fairest hits. It was just. It was an epic time. And, uh, I loved every minute of it. It was a little. It got overwhelming at times.
Speaker A: Well, to do it all in the same m. Day is just. I wouldn't have done it that way
Speaker B: pretty much truly in a week. And we're doing con barbecue tonight. And, uh, yeah, I mean, my stomach is maybe a little bit upset, but I'm pretty happy as a result.
Speaker A: Well, thank gosh you're training for a marathon. You burn all those meals right off.
Speaker B: That's right. That's Right.
Speaker A: Hey, Danny.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: You're, um, you're familiar with road rage?
Speaker B: Yeah, of course. Well, I suffer from that.
Speaker A: I'm going to tell you about something related.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker A: I was recently a victim of cart rage at the grocery store.
Speaker B: Wow. A victim of it.
Speaker A: A victim.
Speaker C: Wow.
Speaker A: Whereby I was walking maybe, maybe slowly.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: I was walking my cart to the checkout and a woman zoomed around me and said, oh, for fuck's sake. Zoomed around me and cut in line in front of me.
Speaker B: Were you with Eli?
Speaker A: Cart rage? Yeah, I had Eli in the car.
Speaker B: So she's cursing in front of a child.
Speaker A: Yeah, she said it like a whisper. And I didn't know if I'm like, I don't know that it was directed at me.
Speaker B: This one of your exes that was stalking you?
Speaker A: It was one of my exes.
Speaker B: Because I know you get stalked pretty frequently.
Speaker A: Um, no, I did have a stalking situation in high school, but yeah, I did. Um, but I didn't. I couldn't tell if it was like directed at me in my mind because I. In my mind I wasn't doing anything wrong.
Speaker B: No. I was like, wanted to be going at a fast.
Speaker C: But she.
Speaker A: I think she might have been upset with her partner who she was with. Um, maybe like. I think she was just in a rush to get out of the grocery store.
Speaker B: Huh.
Speaker A: Huh. But yeah. Yeah, I think it's a real thing. Especially at, um.
Speaker B: I mean, at Agora. I mean, you know, love Agora. There's some narrow aisles.
Speaker A: Yeah. Especially when. When people are queued up at the deli. Yeah.
Speaker B: Well, not even the. Even just like any of the aisles. If someone's just like.
Speaker A: It's not a two lane grocery.
Speaker B: Yeah. You can't get through.
Speaker A: Yeah. But also like the other.
Speaker B: I like to park on the ends of the aisles and walking stuff. Walk in, grab myself, go back out.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's.
Speaker B: I want to get trapped.
Speaker A: Yeah. I'd like to take the smaller cart, but you can't put a kid in a small cart. And I always bring you light with me. Yeah.
Speaker B: Uh, that's tough. Now, Tim, do you enjoy running into people at Agora or. Sometimes I want to, like, get in and out.
Speaker A: I love seeing people, but here's the thing. I want to acknowledge you, but I don't want to stop and chat. Well, sometimes I get like, I did have a nice stop and chat with Rachel. It can be cousin.
Speaker B: Yeah, well, that was. That's nice.
Speaker A: I'm like, I.
Speaker B: Some people, you actually do want to have a stop and chat with, but certainly you don't get to choose.
Speaker A: I feel like I'm. I feel like people are. Want to be on their way. When you're grocery shopping, you want to be in and out. So m. Like, for sure. I see Nick Kinnelsberger at the grocery store a lot. I'll say, hey, Nick, good to see you. And that's it. I don't want to bother him with like, what's new? Yeah, how's your daughter?
Speaker B: It's funny, like, that's the double edged sword. I enjoy seeing the people, but the timing is like, I'm generally kind of moving pretty quick, I think.
Speaker A: Yeah, there should be like a shortcut. I think good to see you is just good to see you. And you walk away.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: That's my way of saying I respect you, I like you. I don't want to bore you.
Speaker B: Yep. Now, this week we have a very special occasion. Not just my birthday, but we have a repeat guest for the first time. First repeat guest in Joyner's pod history. I mean, Posey really was, but we never. It's just never been aired to the public.
Speaker A: That's true. We're saving it. We did.
Speaker B: We're letting it marry.
Speaker A: Mindy kind of bailed us out. We didn't have an episode lined up, uh, for Monday and I've refused to skip a week.
Speaker B: Yeah, Tim is very. I've talked about doing a re release of some of our favorite episodes.
Speaker A: It's such a cop out, though. I'd rather do another Tim's like, the
Speaker B: money that we're making, we can't do that to our audience.
Speaker A: Uh, it's not about the lack of money, Danny. It is about respecting our audience, our loyal, uh, listenership.
Speaker B: Yeah. So we got to check in with Mindy, which we always are excited to do.
Speaker A: Mhm.
Speaker B: One of our favorite people. She speaks her mind.
Speaker A: She was one of. Of the first 20 episodes, I think,
Speaker B: and she's a genuine hospitality pro. And uh. Yeah. So we got to have her in and.
Speaker A: Yeah, we're recording. Do you need something? Oh, uh, I'll be out in two minutes. She's eating your cake. That's what it is. She was chewing. She's eating your birthday cake. Anyway, without further ado, please enjoy this
Speaker B: conversation with Mindy Siegel. This episode of Joiners is brought to you by Frenette Branca, the bartender's handshake. Once you know, you know,
Speaker A: If you could cut out Mindy's hot chocolate and have started Mindy's bakery at that time, would you or Did. Was it a. A learning experience that you wouldn't trade for anything?
Speaker C: Oh, God, it is such a tough question because I feel like, yes, that's the thing, but.
Speaker A: But you can't know it until you do it.
Speaker C: I. I just, you know, I say to my mother all the time, like, I hated those 15 years of my life. I could erase them. I was miserable. I was not happy. I was angry. Um, I was regretful for opening up a restaurant and not opening up something else that I wanted to do. Um, but, um, I don't know. I mean, look what the restaurant afforded me. I mean, look what happened. Maybe I was supposed to go through 15 years of.
Speaker A: Was it 50, was it a 15 year block of shit? Or were there different eras within that
Speaker C: I never enjoyed one minute of it.
Speaker B: Were, like, different types of shit within the 15 shit?
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker B: Different shades of shit.
Speaker C: I could write a book about shits. Um, yeah, you know, no, not good. Not good.
Speaker B: I mean, have you made amends with people that you were hard on then?
Speaker C: Like, I mean, I.
Speaker B: Some individually reached out to.
Speaker C: You know, first of all, I had to forgive myself, so I did that.
Speaker A: Yeah, it's the hardest thing to do.
Speaker C: Um, I did that. And, um, yes, I have come clean.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker C: And I feel bad. I mean, I feel terrible. And I still do. And that's why I think I, um, now value people and value looking at people in the eye and caring about people and asking people how they are and. Really caring.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: Um, I'm intentionally intentional, I think.
Speaker B: You think that getting all that, the recognition, though, helped you kind of separate from the pressure a little bit.
Speaker C: Well, I don't think that I have gotten a lot of recognition for my work now, you would say, oh, okay,
Speaker A: but, like, line around the block every weekend.
Speaker C: Not always. I don't. And there's a lot of other bakeries that opened up in the city.
Speaker A: Chicago loves a bakery.
Speaker C: The changing. I mean, I really, honestly believe there's a changing of the guard, so to speak.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Uh, I'll always be the og, but, you know, I didn't mean that.
Speaker B: No, but I mean, like, do you ever talk to, you know, some of your contemporaries and talk about, like, the deler and the guillotine and the bad butter and the kusama and.
Speaker C: Well, I am friends with Jeannie. Yeah, I adore her. And I am, um. I don't know, Del Surge, but I hear his stuff is phenomenal. Yeah, but I'm friends with Vince and Vince and I'm friends with Dan, and
Speaker A: you gave him a warm welcome to Chicago with a collab.
Speaker C: I just. I believe in helping people and making everyone aware of what's happening in the city.
Speaker A: In our industry, there's no need to be competitive in Chicago. I mean, we lift each other up, for sure. I think that's a common, uh, sense. I don't think people are like. I think there's very few people in the Chicago food world that are competing with each other.
Speaker C: Oh, really? You don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker B: All right, let's.
Speaker C: I don't know, but I would assume
Speaker B: that, yeah, you're comparing yourself to others.
Speaker C: Like upper echelon restaurants. They're all competing against each other and try and. Okay.
Speaker A: In a way, in a respectful way,
Speaker C: it's all the men. The men chefs who are swinging their doo, doo, doo, doo. Swinging it around.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Okay. Um, women are not like that. Yeah, we love each other. We're in our feelings.
Speaker A: Yeah. That's interesting. I'm trying to think, like, when you. When you think of the three Michelin star restaurants, the two Michelin star restaurants, there aren't female heads there. Um, are there? I can't think.
Speaker C: I mean, I don't know. I don't really know. I'm so far removed from that. Um, I don't know. But I. I, uh.
Speaker A: Well, I think. I think Grant Curtis, John Shields, I think they're like. And then. And you have to put, uh, and Noah. Like, I feel like those are four guys in Chicago that, uh, they're. They've got the stars.
Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker C: I mean, Kusama.
Speaker B: Yeah. Jeannie, Tim.
Speaker A: That's, ah, one star. I just think.
Speaker C: I think when you're. And I could be wrong because I've never chased it, but when you're chasing stars and recognition, you do lose sight of everything that's important.
Speaker A: It's a different game at that point,
Speaker C: but I just don't know why. That's what you chase. If you chase authenticity and you chase, um, making everybody in your restaurant happy, no matter who is there. And you, you chase, um, taking care of your team, investing in your staff.
Speaker A: It's a different type of. It's a different type of chef. Like you. If you look at Curtis like, I think Curtis has always been in the pursuit of stars. And you've got Noah, who it seems seemingly, he never went after stars, but he has two Michelin stars now. We talked about it in his interview or maybe in his intro. Like, it's two ways of getting to the same place, but I don't know if one's it's not which, uh, is better. It's what's better for you. No, but I mean, but you're on the other side. Like you.
Speaker C: I don't agree with you.
Speaker B: What are you saying?
Speaker C: More Michelin star chefs, if this is the case, should be like Noah. So it's more authentic. I think authenticity is lost.
Speaker A: But can you pursue Michelin stars in an authentic way?
Speaker C: Why would you pursue a Michelin star? Why wouldn't you pursue excellence in your restaurant?
Speaker A: I think those chefs see that as the same thing.
Speaker C: No, they're not.
Speaker A: Why not?
Speaker C: Because one is with the intention. The intention to get something.
Speaker B: Mhm.
Speaker C: And one is with the intention to serve your customer.
Speaker A: But can't you have two, uh. Can't you have two intentions and can't they run parallel?
Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. I don't agree with it. I also don't agree with people that own restaurants and are never in your restaurant.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's. I would.
Speaker C: And I also don't agree with large opening budgets. Sorry, Shannon. For, um, for design. I think you should take your pre opening budget. Your budget, uh, your entire budget. Construction, design, architectural, legal. And you should put in a fund for your staff, for insurance, for daycare, for whatever it is investing in your team. I think that's part of your pre opening investment. Now, I could be wrong. No, I mean, I could be full
Speaker A: of shit, but I don't know many investors that are going to write that check.
Speaker C: Well, they should.
Speaker B: No, I mean, I think.
Speaker A: I'm not disagreeing. I'm not disagreeing with uh.
Speaker C: That because your employees are what makes you successful.
Speaker B: No, but it's all. It all runs together. If you open a place that looks ugly and no one wants to hang out in, then your employees are gonna get zero dollars.
Speaker C: Okay. But let me ask you a question. Let's say there was a restaurant. I also hate Cleaton. I m. Hate dirty bathrooms and I hate dirty chefs that are dirty.
Speaker A: We're just gonna have to disagree.
Speaker C: And a dirty kitchen.
Speaker B: Yeah, of course. Yeah.
Speaker C: You're gonna disagree.
Speaker B: No, he's messing with you.
Speaker C: You love dirty bathrooms. I know you. You love.
Speaker B: He likes to make them dirty.
Speaker C: To go into. Yeah.
Speaker B: Actually this is an Shan. And enter a bathroom in your place together. You know what's coming.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: You know we always get kicked out. You don't go to Scoffla anymore. They started mining.
Speaker B: They dirtied it. Yeah, they sullied our um.
Speaker A: No, I do want to talk about this. Uh, cuz I was walking. Was uh, a bathroom baby He's a bathroom baby. So wait, hold on. So Danny and I. No, Danny walked me through his new bar that's opening soon.
Speaker C: Um, the bathroom is dirty.
Speaker A: No, it's a beautiful bathroom. But as I was walking through there, I was wondering, like, I think when I came out, I was like, Danny, you know, some bathrooms are sacred and people don't mess with them. And then other bathrooms are just, like, inviting people to mess with them. I. Yeah, I think of empty bottle. Like, that's become the vibe at Empty bottle. Like, that is a bathroom that is.
Speaker C: Oh, my God. You never went to the bathroom at Neo, I assume?
Speaker A: Not that I recall, no. Because you were a baby, Danny. Never. Did you ever go to Neo?
Speaker B: I didn't tell the people about Neo
Speaker C: exit, like the original exit. Um, there was a. Just a floor. There was a circle hole in one of the bathrooms. Like with no, no, no door. Can you imagine if you're doing number two?
Speaker A: Glory. Glory floor.
Speaker C: Almost like a glory floor. Somebody came up.
Speaker B: Yeah, someone came up and took it out of.
Speaker C: You took it out.
Speaker B: You didn't even have to put the eff. You just stand. Reached up.
Speaker A: Uh, but my, My point with this is what. What is the defining characteristic of a. A bathroom that does not get messed with? We gotta harness that.
Speaker C: Well, I'll tell you what it is. It's a bathroom that's consistently cleaned.
Speaker A: I think it is maintenance. Maintenance does play a huge role.
Speaker C: So if you go into a bathroom and a bathroom's dirty, then you're writing on the wall.
Speaker B: Yeah, it's the same thing with, like, graffiti. You gotta paint over it immediately if you let it stay there for two hours.
Speaker C: Yeah, sometimes I let my graffiti on my. Like, if you, like, it's been a close friend of mine.
Speaker B: No, well, that's. I'm saying if someone, like, tags you with a random thing and.
Speaker A: Yeah, I think there should be a Sharpie in the stall behind glass, and it says, in case of filth, you break the glass and you grab that Sharpie and you write something. Someone's phone number.
Speaker C: Or you can do this. You can leave a little basket with gloves and wipes. And they say you make a mess, you clean it up.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, clean. Clean up after yourself.
Speaker C: Clean up after yourself. But no one's going to do that. But, um, I think that part of a criteria for a Michelin star is that you have to look at the kitchen and if it's dirty and you're like, Michelin stars. Michelin star restaurants, and you walk into their kitchen and their Equipment's dilapidated and their coolers are set at the wrong temperature, and they're not fixing that part of the kitchen. That's.
Speaker A: Let's talk cooler temp. What's the proper temp for a cooler?
Speaker C: 32.
Speaker A: Okay, so zero degrees Celsius.
Speaker B: Well, it's. Yeah. Depending on what you're keeping in there. Like for a freezer. Yes.
Speaker C: I mean, I like to keep my refrigerator between that and 40.
Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
Speaker A: That's right.
Speaker C: If it goes down past 40, I'm calling, calling my guy.
Speaker A: Have you seen these refrigerated pantries on Instagram? Like, in rich people's houses?
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: I love that. I'm redoing you.
Speaker C: I'm redoing my kitchen.
Speaker A: I know you are. Are you going to do a refrigerated walk?
Speaker C: I would love to.
Speaker A: It's a dream.
Speaker C: Like. Like an optimal humidity and.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B: Wait, so what are the upgrades you're doing to your home kitchen?
Speaker C: Well, it's going to be the next phase of my career.
Speaker A: Wow.
Speaker C: Yeah. Talk about it here, folks.
Speaker B: Yeah. What is it?
Speaker C: Um, I'm redoing my. My kitchen, and I'm, like, making, like, this beautiful, like, solarium, like, area.
Speaker B: Cool.
Speaker C: Um, and I'm. I'm doing it so that I. I really have this idea that I want to do these, um, like, dinners in my home for, like, 12 people that I sort of like, you know, you. I design them for you. So there's, like, I don't have, like, a menu. Like, I make a menu for you and the parties for you or whatever the occasion.
Speaker B: Any types of food.
Speaker C: Yeah. And I thought that that could be, like, a really great. Listen to this. Maybe we can do something together. I thought it would be a really great, like, kind of, like, show type of thing on YouTube.
Speaker B: Yeah, that'd be sweet.
Speaker C: I would do, like, three or four a year, and I would have you write in to me and tell me that you really want to do this dinner for this person, because they are important because of this. They've done this, they've done that, they've done this. And then I pick three. And then I sit down with you and I talk to you about what this person is to you, means to you, who this person is, why this person is special, why this person deserves this sort of, like, dinner. And then I design something specifically for that person, and then we surprise them.
Speaker A: I love that idea.
Speaker B: That'd be cool.
Speaker C: Yeah. Isn't that cute?
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: I don't even know what I would call it, but I just.
Speaker B: We didn't do it for Eli's second birthday.
Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's great.
Speaker C: Eli's special.
Speaker A: He eats quesadillas. Uh, he eats nori. And I think that's it.
Speaker C: I mean, I love him.
Speaker B: He's perfect.
Speaker C: Yeah, but isn't that cute?
Speaker B: Yeah, it's a great idea.
Speaker C: I'm doing that. I'm in the process of doing that. Right.
Speaker B: We'd love to.
Speaker A: To turn it into a Netflix series. You'd have to do it for celebrities.
Speaker C: Yeah, I don't want to do that.
Speaker A: Yeah, I think it'd be cool. If you had to cook for a celebrity, who would you want to design a multi, uh, course meal for?
Speaker C: I haven't.
Speaker A: You don't like any celebrity.
Speaker B: Well, how about if you had to do it for a chef, who would you do it for?
Speaker C: Well, I mean, obviously, duh. Anthony Bourdain.
Speaker B: A chef that was alive.
Speaker C: Oh, that's alive.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Um, okay. This would be my. This would be like just City of Chicago.
Speaker A: This would be.
Speaker B: Yeah, like your dream first one.
Speaker C: Are you ready?
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: I would like to cook for a Zaragoza.
Speaker B: Ah, okay.
Speaker A: Okay. Could probably make that happen.
Speaker C: Manion.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: I want them sitting side by side together.
Speaker B: Not on each other's laps.
Speaker C: Not on each other's laps.
Speaker B: No.
Speaker C: Um, no.
Speaker A: No.
Speaker B: Except for Tim's fantasies and I don't
Speaker A: know why not sitting on each other.
Speaker C: Why this one? David Posey. I don't know.
Speaker B: Wow. Posey's great. That's a great choice.
Speaker C: Jimmy Papa dop.
Speaker B: Jp.
Speaker C: Yeah. Jp.
Speaker B: We've never talked to him.
Speaker C: I fucking. Oh, you.
Speaker A: I was just emailing Jimmy about his name.
Speaker B: Why don't we get him on here?
Speaker A: We're gonna get Jimmy on the podium.
Speaker B: I've been asking him.
Speaker A: Come. Jimmy?
Speaker C: Yeah. He's awesome.
Speaker B: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker C: I just. He cracks.
Speaker B: No, See, I think this has legs
Speaker C: each other a lot.
Speaker A: Well, I know you're doing a dinner for man.
Speaker C: Why David Posey's in the mix because I really don't know him very well. But do I love him? Yes.
Speaker A: Here's something. This is an interesting point I'd like to make. Zaragoa, John, uh, Manion and David Posey will all be at Camp Ondawega. And you had a chance to cook for all three of them this year and you said no.
Speaker C: I know.
Speaker B: Well, she hates that schedule.
Speaker C: I had to say no. I had to.
Speaker A: It kills you.
Speaker C: It's just I'm too old and I mean, I. I have. I have to know my limits.
Speaker A: You also, you Also, stay in the most cush accommodations.
Speaker C: And I get to see Teresa. And she wakes up in the morning and she had. We have coffee together. I know. I'm so dumb. I should have said.
Speaker B: Well, why don't we just have. Can you guess who.
Speaker A: Guess who's feeling Mindy's spot?
Speaker B: Who?
Speaker A: Deli.
Speaker C: Wow.
Speaker B: Wait, but why can't Mindy just come and hang out?
Speaker C: It'll be delicious, but it won't be the same.
Speaker B: Can we get to come and hang out?
Speaker A: She's not invited.
Speaker C: Who's doing the, um, opening dinner?
Speaker A: Uh, it is John Manion and Max Robbins.
Speaker C: Who's Max Robbins?
Speaker B: From Lettuce?
Speaker C: I don't know.
Speaker B: He, like, runs all.
Speaker A: Culinary director. He was at Longman and Eagle.
Speaker C: I don't know.
Speaker A: Yeah, uh, you'd love him.
Speaker B: You would.
Speaker C: I don't know anybody.
Speaker B: He's from your part of town.
Speaker C: First of all, I. You have to. I hate you until you prove to me that you can. I can love you.
Speaker A: Mindy needs a reason.
Speaker C: I need. But honestly. Okay, okay.
Speaker A: Don't love unconditionally conditional love.
Speaker C: That's not. First of all, that's not true. Because if I love you, if I like you, if I like you, you
Speaker B: got a dope cake.
Speaker C: No, if I. Well, I love you, so it's completely different. And I love you so much and I've known you for a long time.
Speaker B: Thank you. I love it. I feel very lucky.
Speaker C: But I. If I love you, if I like. I'm sorry. If I like you, I will literally give you my right arm. Will I not? As you know.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: I mean, very loyal. He's very generous.
Speaker C: I love you.
Speaker B: And Tim is like that.
Speaker C: I love Shannon. I. Shannon. I met Shannon and I was like, who's this? I love her. She's got style. She's cool. She's hot as shit. Right?
Speaker A: She's a good looking girl.
Speaker C: I just love her.
Speaker B: Yes, ma'.
Speaker C: Am.
Speaker A: She's saying, right?
Speaker B: That's it.
Speaker C: Like, I. I do. I love her.
Speaker A: I think you're very lucky.
Speaker C: You have a wonderful wife. But you, you are. I, you know, I love you more than anything in the world.
Speaker A: Like my brother.
Speaker C: You literally like my family.
Speaker A: We're family.
Speaker C: Yeah, totally. But it's like, I will. And then here's the thing. If you break my heart and you let me down, that's the thing.
Speaker A: I'm so afraid.
Speaker B: Wait, I want to hear about these.
Speaker A: Wait. I'm so afraid of getting on Mindy's bad side. I have to explain this to you. So we we needed an interview. We didn't have a. A spot to fill. We didn't have an interview. We're out of. Danny and I both have travel coming up. And I'm like, oh, my God, Mindy, can you please bail us out and come in for an interview last minute? Mindy's like, I got you. Don't worry. And then Danny goes, I already got this other person to fill it. And I'm like, this is it. This is how I end up on Mindy's bad side. Uh, so I text. I text Mindy back. I go, I'm so sorry, Danny. Of course I'm going to throw Danny under the bus. I go, danny booked somebody first. And Mindy goes. First of all, Mindy doesn't reply for, like, an hour. I'm like, great. Then she's like, I'm on my way, and I'm bringing treats. And I'm like, I'm dead in the water. I may as well kill myself.
Speaker C: Literally. I was pissed. But then you. But you apologized to me, and you felt bad, and I felt your apology, and I felt that you felt bad. I will tell you that without naming names, we should.
Speaker B: That's the name of it.
Speaker C: Without naming names. Somebody that I adore as much as I adore the two of you let me down in a big way and
Speaker B: was not so apologetic recently.
Speaker C: It really hurt me, and it really, really hurt me.
Speaker B: How. I mean, in theory, there must have been. It was pretty high stakes for them to let you down so, you know, so significantly just to be.
Speaker C: Because this person.
Speaker B: What was going on? Can you vaguely describe it?
Speaker C: I want to do a TED Talk about the art of the apology. That's all. Uh, I want to talk about how to be a. How to be held accountable for the mistakes that you make.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: To people, to life. How do you reconcile those. The. How do you make the apology stick?
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: Okay. One of them. And now this person's gonna know who it is if they listen. M. Don't ever say to me, well, I was meaning to call you.
Speaker B: Yeah, just call.
Speaker C: Because if you were meaning to call me, you would have called me.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Don't tell me that you were meaning. That's an excuse. That's not holding yourself accountable for your behavior.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: And for me, if I hurt somebody and I let somebody down, which it does happen, I want to feel bad enough about it to make it right to that person. Right. Uh, if I truly care about that person and that person's really important to my life, I don't need somebody Else calling me as a third party to try to make me understand.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's cowardly, but it is, it does take a lot of courage to make that call. I, I can't think of it like a man up.
Speaker C: I don't even know why. Woman up.
Speaker B: No, but one of the things,
Speaker C: One
Speaker B: of the things I respect so much about you is that you're very direct. You're honest.
Speaker C: Fault I get in trouble.
Speaker B: But you know what? That is a thousand times better than
Speaker C: I would rather that you know how I feel than have me get an ulcer.
Speaker B: Yeah, well, I hear you. Yeah. I mean, I feel like we swallow so many just toxic things that we're just sitting on.
Speaker C: I don't want to do that.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: I want to live a very free.
Speaker A: Yeah, but Mindy, how long Tim and
Speaker B: I struggle realize that I would say,
Speaker A: uh, you know, like, that's nine years. Yeah. And therapy and like, like, it's not, it's, it takes a lot to, like, call. When was the last time you did acid? Let's get into the real question.
Speaker C: Well, it's funny enough just a lot. I, you know, I, I, I know you know this. I used to smoke a lot of weed.
Speaker A: You did? The woman who has a weed company.
Speaker C: Yeah, I used to, I used drugs. I used to smoke a lot of weed a lot and.
Speaker A: But you don't anymore.
Speaker C: I don't. I quit. And I'm completely free and clean.
Speaker A: When I started, unless, uh, we all. I started growing my own.
Speaker C: The only way I would do it again is if I smoked pot with the two of you on camera.
Speaker A: I fell for that one time. Then Danny let us down.
Speaker C: Danny. Danny didn't have.
Speaker A: Did you get a sincere apology from Danny?
Speaker C: I don't feel like Danny needs to apologize for.
Speaker A: Not for wasting everybody's time.
Speaker C: I thought we had a good time.
Speaker B: Yeah, we did.
Speaker A: We did still have a good time. It was horrible.
Speaker B: We need to redo one. We, um, need to do this series.
Speaker C: I would only smoke pot with the two of you.
Speaker B: Why don't we just form our production company here and we can film these many dinners at her house. We'll do some series.
Speaker C: Yeah, we can also do smoking pot and then cooking. I love that. I think that's a funny thing.
Speaker A: Yeah, there's like a, there's a threshold, though. It's like, um, smoking pot and reading. If you take, you can get a little high and read. If you get high and read.
Speaker C: It's not gonna happen.
Speaker A: You are reading the paragraph.
Speaker C: My problem was that I, I didn't just get high.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: You went into outer space, so.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: Do you think there was a reason for that? Like, were you self medicating or you just like.
Speaker A: Probably.
Speaker C: Yes, I was definitely self medicating.
Speaker A: And it was just gravity bongs, you said?
Speaker B: Yeah, just six foot bangers.
Speaker C: Yeah. Um, I used to have a, A three foot graphics bong. You. You guys don't know what those are, but, um, I used to work at a head shop too.
Speaker A: Really?
Speaker C: Where is the head shop, Addison? Um, it's not a head shop anymore, but, um, I used to work there.
Speaker A: Really? Tell, tell us what happens in a head shop. Surely you have some stories.
Speaker C: I'll tell you what happens in a head shop. You literally are an enabler to people's, um, problems.
Speaker A: Did you guys sell weed too? Like, no. Under the table?
Speaker C: No, no, this was. Dude, this was in the 80s.
Speaker A: Yeah, but I feel like people, um, I'm sure people came into a headshot being like, by the way, can I get weed too? Or do you know where I can get weed?
Speaker C: And it wasn't just weed. It was also like, you know, grinders for cocaine and, um, stuff.
Speaker B: Tons of stuff.
Speaker C: The paraphernalia for everything. Yeah, um, it was fun. I mean, I enjoyed it because I knew so much about smoking pot.
Speaker A: So you were an expert?
Speaker C: I loved it. I wasn't an expert then. I was much more back in the day. But like, have you guys ever, like, have you ever, um, have you ever dabbed?
Speaker A: No. I've heard of. Explain what dabbing is. It's like it just a. More concierge.
Speaker C: Super concentrated, the concentrate. Um, like, I mean, it's like almost like this SAP. It's like so concentrated. And you take it and you heat it to a certain temperature and then, you know, not above because you don't want to convert it. And then you inhale the smoke. And when it first became legal, I was so hell bent on writing an article about dabbing that I called Mike Sula.
Speaker B: Yeah, I think I remember the Sula called.
Speaker A: Oh, this is ringing a bell now.
Speaker C: We have to like, okay, we have to write an article about dabbing. And you and I are gonna dab for the first time together. And so my friend Rich, who was a partner then, he's not anymore of, um, Dispensary 33. Um. Connoisseur. Connoisseur. Okay. So we go to his office and he comes in like with a briefcase. And he opens the briefcase and it's like he's got all of his paraphernalia and Everything. And we, like, dab with him for, like, an hour. And I'm telling you, an hour of
Speaker B: dabbing, were you the highest you've ever been in your life?
Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. For sure.
Speaker B: What was that?
Speaker C: The article. We had to. The criteria was also. Then. Then we had to. After we lear to dab, we had to then go and dab together at another location.
Speaker B: Oh, my God.
Speaker C: And that was at my house after, like, one of the family, um, meal Mondays at. At Spilt Milk. And so a bunch of us, we just grab a bunch of people and we go to my house and we start dabbing, like, on our own.
Speaker A: And it's just like, the article is written in wingdings font. Yeah,
Speaker B: right.
Speaker C: It was fun. It was a lot of fun. Dabbing's fun. I mean, I.
Speaker A: All right, let's dab. Did you bring some.
Speaker B: She doesn't.
Speaker A: Friday morning. What else are we going to.
Speaker B: Don't bring her back.
Speaker C: Drink anymore. I'm just high in life. I really, honestly.
Speaker B: Yeah, I guess, you know, one of the pieces of advice you gave to me was to be present, which I would love to work on.
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker A: How did.
Speaker B: How do you get to that place?
Speaker C: Well, you have to learn how to sit with yourself. So yoga makes you practice that.
Speaker A: That is a real skill. The ability to be around yourself, the ability to be alone and comfortable is something that I think. I think people grab their phones because they're uncomfortable being with their own thoughts.
Speaker C: Yes. Well, I. Yes, I. I agree with you.
Speaker A: And I think we need to. We need to return to just silence.
Speaker C: Yeah, I'm super.
Speaker B: Wait, hold on. I was just on my phone. Yeah, I missed.
Speaker C: No, I, um. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker B: That's the thing.
Speaker C: Hold on. I got a Texas person. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker A: I'm so. I'm guilty of it sitting with you.
Speaker C: You know, it's like the rule. Like, we go out for dinner, right. Like, once a month.
Speaker A: Yeah. So we have an elite dining club.
Speaker C: Right. So the rule is no phones on the table. Right? No phones on the table. We're gonna.
Speaker A: That's the rule. I had no idea.
Speaker C: I just made it up.
Speaker A: Oh, okay. But we're gonna retroactively starting now.
Speaker C: Yeah. Um, remember we have to take Costa and his girlfriend one night.
Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Was there a specific place?
Speaker C: Well, we were gonna take him to the last place we went to, but we've got.
Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C: Remember that? So I'm not gonna say.
Speaker B: I know. I think I know.
Speaker C: Do you know about this. So we go. It's so funny. So we go to this place and, you know, I order sparkling and sparkling rose and champagne or whatever. Sparkling glass bottle. And these three numbskulls are ordering all these, like, crazy cocktails, and they're.
Speaker A: I loved my cocktail.
Speaker C: You were. You were the only one.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And one out of three, they were bad.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: And I'm like, why do you go to this restaurant and think that you could order this sophisticated cocktail?
Speaker B: This is not like he's optimistic.
Speaker A: It wasn't even a sophisticated cocktail. I'll tell you exactly what it is. This is the mistake. You don't get a margarita at a French restaurant.
Speaker C: Well, your wife loves margarita.
Speaker A: Yeah, I know. She'll order it at every restaurant.
Speaker C: Don't say French. We didn't say who it was.
Speaker A: It doesn't matter who it is. It's no fault of their own. Yeah, the meal was amazing.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: The, uh. I wasn't surprised that that margarita wasn't good. I. I ordered.
Speaker C: It could have been good.
Speaker A: Yeah. I got a martini, and it was outstanding.
Speaker C: Oh, it was okay.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: T Bone didn't like his drink either.
Speaker A: T Bones, he got a margarita, didn't he? He got something. He got something. Weird.
Speaker C: He got something. I don't remember what he got. I think he got something. He got. I don't know. I don't remember. But it was a great dinner. It was delicious. The food was great.
Speaker A: You know the guy who's got it figured out? Tony.
Speaker C: Selma Tony.
Speaker A: What a happy guy.
Speaker C: I know. I love that guy.
Speaker B: He's a great attitude.
Speaker C: Please. I. He's like sunshine.
Speaker A: He is.
Speaker C: He is sunshine. He's literally. I mean, obviously, you know, he's like my best friend, so I love him.
Speaker A: He. When he broke his hip. So Tony got hit by a car on his bike. He was, like, training for something. He got hit by a car. He's broke his hip.
Speaker C: Stealth shape.
Speaker A: Yeah. And he, like, he was supposed to come to a dinner at Stock, um, and he texted me. He's like. He's like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry, I can't make the dinner tomorrow. I'm like, surely this guy's got a good excuse. He's like, I broke my hip. But he took that and he turned it into like. He gave a speech at, uh, Jason's house. He's like, honestly, breaking my hip was the best thing that ever happened to me. He spun it and he's like. He's like. It forced me to slow down. It reminded me of the community and the support that I have. I'm like, this guy's. I wish I had the perspective Tony had.
Speaker C: I know He's. You know, and he. The thing about Tony is that. I hope you listen to this T bone, because you're the best.
Speaker A: You will.
Speaker C: He, um, has so many layers to him. And, like, I've known him for years, and we like our fam. Like, literally, like, I love him, and, um, I find out all these things about him, and then his parents came into town. Did you meet his parents?
Speaker A: I've not, um, met the parents.
Speaker C: Okay. His parents came into town, and I had them over for dinner, and my mom was there, you know, And. And, God, we just. His parents are so awesome that you just know where he comes from, you know? And, um. Yeah, he's great. Wait, really great.
Speaker B: So I love the Tony talk. I love. Because we all know he's great. You have a gripe list in front of you. I can barely even touch it.
Speaker C: Well, okay. Okay.
Speaker A: What do you need to get off your chest?
Speaker B: Yeah. Uh, yeah, maybe choose one thing that you think is worth talking about. I mean, choose the most benign at random.
Speaker A: The most benign topic, please.
Speaker C: Why?
Speaker B: M. Benign? Most malignant.
Speaker C: I did go into some of them.
Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. I feel like we've touched on some of your topics.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker A: Although I can't read your handwriting.
Speaker C: No, you don't want to read it. I'll actually leave this here for you. But if you.
Speaker A: If you leak it, you leak it.
Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C: Um, I. Okay. I just. Okay, I just want to clear up something because it's. It's actually about me, so I'm gonna make.
Speaker B: Let's clear it up.
Speaker C: I recently had somebody comment on something that said that I sold out years ago. And they were. It was talking about, like, a corporate thing, a comment that I had made, which I got canceled for five minutes, which was fine. I don't mind.
Speaker A: Well, let's address it.
Speaker C: And it was really funny because I said to Tony, I'm like, I just got canceled. And he goes, chump change. I've been canceled, like, five times.
Speaker B: And I'm like, okay, um, yeah, give us the context.
Speaker C: The context was, um, a lot of hoopla and hollering about, call your mother bagels. That opened up in Bucktown. And people, um, like saying, support small businesses. Support small businesses. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B: Yeah, people are bummed out about what they perceive.
Speaker C: Private equity.
Speaker B: Coming into the neighborhood.
Speaker C: I made a. Which, by the way, has been in the neighborhood. Every neighborhood.
Speaker B: For sure.
Speaker C: I mean, every neighborhood.
Speaker B: I'm having the contacts.
Speaker C: Okay. I mean, like, every neighborhood. Private equity is everywhere. I mean it
Speaker A: more now than ever.
Speaker C: Yeah. And I don't. I don't. I don't like it. Trust me, if you knew me, you would know I didn't like it. So, you know, of course I'm a small business. I'm a small business owner. So, like, of course, obviously. Um, and I made a knee jerk post because I had this idea. I had this thought that came to my mind.
Speaker B: Yeah, you speak your mind famously.
Speaker C: Yeah. Like, without even thinking about it. And I. Which is fine. And I said, I am a small business owner and I support small businesses. And I'm not gonna. But I'm not gonna tell you what to do with your money, because it's not my money. I would hope that you would support small businesses, but when you do spend your money, I hope that you consider that there are hourly employees at every business, and they rely on that business to pay for their. Hopefully their insurance, their Pay their rent, their clothes, their. Whatever it is. And they're hourly employees, and they have nothing to do with anything other than that they need a job for sure. And I thought that was, like, a really good thing to say. People were saying that I supported private equity.
Speaker B: Yeah. That was a long way to. Yeah. I mean, it was a big leap.
Speaker A: And in fact, you're supporting.
Speaker C: Somebody told me. I, uh, guess somebody told me that their nephew called them and said, I heard Mindy sold to private equity.
Speaker A: I heard on the Joiners podcast, who
Speaker C: did I sell out to? Because I only sold out to myself.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: And if they're referring to Cresco.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: Let me tell you something. That was the best decision I ever made. Okay. Because I was able to. To create a brand that made sense for people to eat edibles. Right.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Uh, and I wouldn't have been able
Speaker B: to do that by myself and help facilitate Mindy's.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker C: And by the way, when I partnered with them, they had five employees. So, you know, I don't understand. And who did I sell out to in my bakery? I'm my only investor.
Speaker A: Did the Cresco deal allow you to open Mindy's 1000? So no cresco, no Mindy's.
Speaker C: Correct. No bakery.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: I would have to had 22 investors like I did at Hot Chocolate.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: So I was that part of the nightmare. And I will tell you that when I did open the bakery, I called Charlie and I said to him, the head of Cresco, I said to him, I need you to come Here. And look to see what the Edible company did for 18 people. Not for what it did for me. What it did for the 18 people that I employ. Look at what this. Look at this. Look at this. This is for my employees. I opened this place so people can work on their craft, so people can make a living, so people can be themselves. Whatever. That's what I did it for.
Speaker A: Me, uh, too. I think the important thing is that I think when people sensationalize news for clicks and headlines and stuff, it's an absolute black or white thing. And every situation is nuanced. Everything is gray. You have to do your research. If you care that passionately. If you're gonna. If you're gonna try to cancel somebody or speak out publicly against them, do your fucking research. Beyond reading a headline or watching a 10 second clip, people are so quick to judge. Which brings me back to my point where that Danny needs to be more open minded this year. Right. He's 40 now. He's staring down the barrel of 50.
Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. 60.
Speaker C: You know, I'm staring down the barrel of 60.
Speaker B: Yeah. Uh, how do you feel about that?
Speaker C: I'm going to be 59.
Speaker A: What will we do for. For Mindy's 60th birthday?
Speaker C: Well, I'm probably going to do a little travel.
Speaker A: Oh, where do you want to go?
Speaker C: I really, really want to go to Bali.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: And do yoga.
Speaker B: That's cool. How often are you practicing yoga?
Speaker C: I don't practice yoga. Even though I live with a, uh, yoga instructor. I know.
Speaker A: We hired a yoga instructor. She's also a product developer. We didn't hire her dogs. Uh, no. Her name is Natalie. With two E's at the end. Don't roll your eyes.
Speaker C: Why did you hire Katie?
Speaker A: Because you didn't. Because she's not a product developer.
Speaker C: No, that's.
Speaker A: I think that's the best reason. I love Katie. I'd love to have her hang around the office.
Speaker C: She would be your social. She would be like the. What is it? Susie Sunshine.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Um, but yeah, yeah. What are we talking about?
Speaker A: Bali.
Speaker C: Bali. Oh, yeah. But I think I'm. I don't know, maybe I'm gonna have a party.
Speaker A: Yeah, A big bash.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: You'd host it, though.
Speaker C: When I told Amanda, I actually called Amanda and I was like, if I have a party next year, you and Nick, uh, have to come.
Speaker A: Who's Amanda?
Speaker C: Amanda Rockman.
Speaker A: Oh, okay. I mean, there are many.
Speaker C: I'm sorry, I wouldn't.
Speaker A: It wouldn't immediately go to the Amanda that lives in Texas.
Speaker C: Well, I'm saying she has to come.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker B: Yeah. Amanda's great. I'm glad that we got to meet her and spend time with her.
Speaker A: Yeah. Did you listen to her episode?
Speaker B: She was there.
Speaker C: Yeah, I was there.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Were you in the room? Yeah. You were in the room.
Speaker B: She was laying in the back.
Speaker A: You asked a question at the end, didn't you?
Speaker C: Did I?
Speaker A: Well, you threw fruit.
Speaker C: Did I?
Speaker A: No.
Speaker C: No, I didn't. I was there. I was there. I was really sick that weekend.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's.
Speaker B: Yeah, Laying in the back.
Speaker C: I think I was. I was. Yeah, I was. I remember I was. I actually. They wheeled me in on a hospital
Speaker B: bed in a wheelbarrow with the IV with the ivy.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: How fun was that Sand Valley event? Danny was just there last weekend.
Speaker B: Oh, you were very sweet.
Speaker C: Oh, you play golf?
Speaker B: I'd play it.
Speaker A: Oh, Danny plays golf.
Speaker C: I don't. I wouldn't play golf.
Speaker A: So Danny's a golfer with a bartending habit?
Speaker B: No, it was really his friend Matt. It was Matt's birthday, although I thought that it was going to be Matt's 40th. We stayed. We. Yeah, just a random, like, place up there.
Speaker C: It was fun. It was actually fun to hang out with you guys there.
Speaker B: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker A: Next year. Don't miss it. Assuming we get invited back. Yeah, because the PA debacle.
Speaker C: I think I'm gonna do that again.
Speaker B: Why?
Speaker A: You're gonna Wanda Waga it. You're just gonna quit? Uh, we'll bring Jake Schneider to Sand Valley. He'll come, right?
Speaker C: He'll come. You'll do well.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: Wait, so it's just, like, too much, or you just don't want to do stuff?
Speaker C: I just. I don't know. I don't think I want to do it again.
Speaker B: Even though you had fun hanging out?
Speaker C: I did have fun.
Speaker A: What if they let you bring Tony this year?
Speaker C: No, I. It has nothing to do with Tony. No, I don't find. I don't know.
Speaker B: I know it's because she didn't have a PA system for her demo and she doesn't want to do that again.
Speaker C: No, I don't want it.
Speaker A: If anyone doesn't need a PA system, it's Mindy.
Speaker C: I know. I.
Speaker A: She's a human pa.
Speaker C: I know. I, I. It's really hard being this opinion.
Speaker A: What was your. What was your demo?
Speaker B: Oh, you feel like you stepped in it there, you mean?
Speaker C: No, I just. I speak too much of my mind, and I. Like, you're holding back, so I follow this Guy on Instagram and he always like, talks about, um, you know, like, uh, like philosophers or you know, is
Speaker A: this the guy you send me videos of?
Speaker C: No, no, like daily stoic thing. And he said something once and I thought it was so profound. And I still am struggling with following it. I'm working on it again, work in progress. But um, it's. It's hard to be unbothered and have no opinion for sure. But it's so healthy, right?
Speaker B: Is it?
Speaker C: Why do you have an opinion about something that has nothing to do with you?
Speaker B: Well, I like to think that my opinions do have.
Speaker C: And why are you bothered by other people's behavior? Yeah, like.
Speaker A: Yeah, I like to think that I'm kind of free of that. I like to. I like to pinpoint the nuances and social. Yeah, that's fun. But I do not take it seriously. I look through at it through a humorous lens. But I don't want to hang out with anybody who's easily offended.
Speaker B: No.
Speaker A: It's exhausting.
Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, no, I'm not talking about.
Speaker B: She's talking about like, why are we criticizing others if.
Speaker C: Why are we.
Speaker B: They're doing their own thing.
Speaker A: Thing.
Speaker B: Let them be like, uh, yeah, we fall into that trap. I think because it's interesting that like it's entertainment to talk to someone else about it.
Speaker C: But it only.
Speaker B: Can you check out this place doing
Speaker C: this thing, uh, for your insides of your body. It's so.
Speaker B: But you have. I mean. Yeah, but I don't know. I would say you're almost famously opinionated.
Speaker C: And I need. I'm trying to work on it.
Speaker A: I don't.
Speaker B: But I don't.
Speaker C: I recognize. See, I recognize that I have a problem.
Speaker A: I don't think it.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: The unfortunate thing is not only am I opinionated and judgmental like you.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: But I also am self aware.
Speaker B: Yes.
Speaker C: I mean, of course it's like, what, what, what, what?
Speaker B: But I think I'm like, in hospitality, that's a tricky balance. You're always like trying to be considerate, but, you know, and you're balancing all these things.
Speaker C: Let's talk about going overboard. See, I think that if you Google me before I come to your restaurant, that's an invasion of my privacy.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: And I know a lot of people talk about like really exceeding guests expectations by buying them things by looking on their Facebook page or their profile and finding out things about them. I think that's creepy.
Speaker A: So the Will Godard style of hospitality, you're saying like, you don't want to be research. You don't want to go to, uh, EMP and have.
Speaker B: Yeah. You just want to dine like a regular person.
Speaker C: I would rather that you just treat me with grace and give me. Just leave me alone, but give me great service and be personable with me. And I would rather, see, because I come from the school, that I would eat in a shack if the food was great.
Speaker A: You want good service, not personalized service.
Speaker C: I don't. I don't. I really don't. I hate it, and I. Makes me uncomfortable. It makes me very, very uncomfortable.
Speaker B: I'm kind of with you to some degree. I. You know, this is a very champagne problem. But when people come and comp a
Speaker C: bunch of stuff, I don't want that.
Speaker B: And then you're, like, trying to do calculations on the stuff that's, like, not accurate.
Speaker C: I don't want that. I just want. If I order food.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: You can also just be nice. I want to pay for everything that I order.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: Don't want anything comped. And that's really weird because I always give things. People to. Yeah.
Speaker B: Uh, you just gave my dad a couple things.
Speaker C: Yeah. Well, I wanted to give it to you for your birthday, but, uh.
Speaker B: I know I'm the same as you, though.
Speaker C: Yeah, it's.
Speaker B: But if I'm being fully honest with myself, there is a part of me that when, uh. Like, if I'm out with people who aren't in the industry and they send out a dish or so, that's cool. It's like, cool recognition. They're impressed by it. It makes everyone feel good.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: But I just. The hard part is, like, when a bill comes and you. It's, like, been totally mangled. You're like, did I tip enough? And you're like, I have no idea. Now I have to, like, go back and calculate for things that I didn't even order, but they were sent.
Speaker C: I don't ever want anybody doing anything for me. I literally buy tickets, and I know every guy who owns, like, a club in the city. I buy my tickets. I sit in general admission.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: I enjoy. I never. I hate sitting in VIP unless I broke my back or something.
Speaker A: Mindy goes to more live music than anyone I know.
Speaker C: I think I do see a lot of.
Speaker A: What are some of the do's and don'ts these days of.
Speaker C: Oh, God. I can tell you right away. So obviously, you know, I. When I go to a show, I go to a show. It's like homework for me.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: I go to a show, and I am up in the center, in the front. And I'm with everybody else who's in that area.
Speaker A: How do you find your way up to the front?
Speaker C: I just. Cause like, uh, first of all, if I'm not there an hour before the show, I have a nervous breakdown.
Speaker A: Okay. So you show up early.
Speaker C: Show up early and stand there.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: And talk to people around me.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: I don't get a drink. I'm like, literally like, I don't move. I don't go to the bathroom. I wear a diaper.
Speaker B: Mindy, that's the next line.
Speaker A: Well, the thing is concert diapers.
Speaker C: This is what I do. I come into a show, I go to the merch table, I buy a
Speaker A: T shirt, support the artist always.
Speaker C: And I buy the ticket. Okay. Um, and then I stand in the front. And then inevitably, in the front, inevitably, there is somebody who is either a 7 foot tall in the front row standing in the middle so you can't see anything, which I think is completely inconsiderate.
Speaker B: Insane.
Speaker C: So bad. It's so bad. Or why do you go to show and talk?
Speaker A: Yeah, that's terrible.
Speaker C: I don't even speak unless I'm going, woo. Yeah.
Speaker A: Singing, you know, single syllable.
Speaker B: Dude, we need a wind up doll that those three things.
Speaker C: But it's like I go to the show to see the performer and their expressions and their mouth. Whatever they're doing, I'm going to see them. I want to see. I want them to sing to me. Like, I went to go see Flea and at one point he was looking at me and I was like, it's for me, you know, uh, that's what I'm there for. I'm there to like, be immersed in this person's music and their vibe.
Speaker A: What's the best show you've been to ever?
Speaker C: Well, it's hard to say, but I mean, I just saw a great show.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Flea was unbelievable. Flea was. I.
Speaker A: Where was Fleets?
Speaker C: He was at Thalia Hall.
Speaker A: Oh, yeah? Yeah.
Speaker C: For his jazz album.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Oh, God.
Speaker B: How's that album? Is it like straight up jazz?
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: Wow, that's cool.
Speaker C: I mean, there's so many things I could talk an hour about.
Speaker B: I love jazz.
Speaker C: Well, I love jazz too. So, um, I mean, Tony and I. And the only reason I bring Tony again is because Tony and I listen to dcb. Wdcb.
Speaker B: Yeah, so do I. Yeah, all the time. That's what's in my car.
Speaker C: And so always. And so we know all the shows and everything. And so we'll text each other. DCB right now. You know.
Speaker B: Oh, that's cool.
Speaker C: And I did it the other day. It was like a couple weeks ago, and it was a Sunday, and he texted me back, mambo Inn it. Only you would know. If you listen to Mambo in. Is on.
Speaker A: Is this next to npr? You've told me. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker C: It's such a great station.
Speaker A: I'm a MeTV radio guy. Do you ever listen to me TV?
Speaker C: Is that the oldies?
Speaker A: It's the oldies, but it's run by Phil McNicky from the Drive Now. And I love it. It's like great nostalgia music.
Speaker C: Oh, I love it.
Speaker A: It's like. I don't even know. It's like, as low as it goes. Even lower on, um, the dial.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: Some cars don't get it.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: Um, it's too low. It's too low.
Speaker A: Frequency is too low. Seriously, for like, a digital tuner. I think it's like 81. I think it's like 87 point something.
Speaker B: 87 7.
Speaker A: But here's. Here's my one gripe with it. Like, it's feel good music. I listen to it in the morning. I listen in the kitchen, and it's like a feel good tune. And then it's like we're here with the, uh. With the. With the ABC newsbreak, and it's like a mother of four was shot dead on the south side. Like, what the is this? This is like.
Speaker C: Yeah, that's not positive.
Speaker A: Jarring to hear that after. Like.
Speaker B: Like you're vibing out.
Speaker A: Yeah, like I'm listening to Good Vibrations.
Speaker B: And then it's like.
Speaker A: It's like a crack addict on the red line. It's like, what?
Speaker C: I know.
Speaker A: I want to hear this.
Speaker C: Well, that's the news, unfortunately, but let's
Speaker A: fill that with, uh, film. And Nikki, this is a. I'm gonna address him directly. We'll fill in with restaurant news. We'll, um. When you need news breaks, let's not talk about the murders.
Speaker C: Only fluff.
Speaker A: Because then people in the suburbs listen to that shit and they're like, God, Chicago's really dangerous. I'm not going to the city. I'll never park. I'll get shot, and I'll never.
Speaker B: It is that the mentality of people in the suburbs for the city is so funny.
Speaker A: They really are like, parking is. Is at the forefront of it.
Speaker B: Yeah, they. Or just the driving in the city. They can't.
Speaker A: Will I be able to park there?
Speaker C: There's parking I love.
Speaker B: Is my car okay here? You're like, yeah.
Speaker C: They say, do you have parking
Speaker A: you specifically have parking.
Speaker C: I have.
Speaker A: You've negotiated a spot in the.
Speaker C: I didn't even negotiate Barnes and Noble parking there.
Speaker A: Oh, okay.
Speaker C: Yeah. Although I.
Speaker B: Does it have a Mindy sign?
Speaker C: Speaking of the speaking. Speaking of what we were just talking about. I will tell you a story about what happened the other day. And it was disgusting. I saw a guy, God bless him, and I saw him walk over to the corner of the parking lot and literally, with a paper towel, clean his Ghibli bits front and back.
Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C: Um, in front of me.
Speaker B: Damn.
Speaker C: It was one of the most disgusting things. And I felt so bad because I was like, this guy, he needs help.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Did you consider looking away?
Speaker C: I couldn't. I was stuck.
Speaker A: Mouth a jar.
Speaker C: You should have seen.
Speaker A: Give the guy some privacy.
Speaker C: No, I wasn't, uh. No, I was like. Like, I kept looking and hoping he'd. I. And then I looked out of the rear view mirror.
Speaker A: He's got binoculars. What the. This poor guy.
Speaker C: This poor guy. And he reminded me of someone. Who? I'm not going to tell you who. It was. Rick Tomonto, an ex friend of mine. That's so funny. Same era, but no, not Rick Tremonto. Why would you say that? Why? Where did you.
Speaker A: That was on the tip of his tongue. Danny had been holding that in for an hour.
Speaker C: Why did you say that? He's such a lovely man.
Speaker B: No, I've no idea. Just a random name.
Speaker C: I mean, you just. It literally. You almost were right, actually, Danny.
Speaker B: I was just riding the vibes, you know?
Speaker C: Oh, my God, that is so funny.
Speaker B: Same wavelength.
Speaker C: I was literally gonna. It was like someone like him, but not him.
Speaker A: A moment of clairvoyance.
Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, God, yeah. That was creepy.
Speaker A: But, um, Mindy, what else do you want to get off your chest before we hit you with.
Speaker C: What else do I want to say? Let me see, let me see, let me see if there's anything. I. Look at my notes.
Speaker A: The real question is Danny gonna give me a piece of that cake?
Speaker C: Yeah, of course.
Speaker A: No, my birthday cake. All right, Mindy, if you had to pick one birthday cake, mine or Danny's.
Speaker C: Hold on. No, I can't.
Speaker A: Come on.
Speaker C: No, I can't.
Speaker A: You know, mine.
Speaker C: I do want to recognize. I want to recognize somebody. Okay, I recognize somebody.
Speaker A: Sure, let's recognize somebody.
Speaker C: When we're talking about hospitality and I really, I thought about this, and when I was thinking of hospitality and hospitality companies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everyone thinks they're a hospitality company. Company, by the way, which I Don't understand. Because why can't people just be happy? This isn't even what I'm talking about. Why can't people just be happy with one restaurant? Why? I don't think you live off of one bakery.
Speaker B: Yeah, you can. You have no partners.
Speaker A: You have no kids.
Speaker C: Okay, I understand that. Then don't open a restaurant.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: Or open it part time.
Speaker A: And that's what I did. I've gone to great lengths not to open a restaurant.
Speaker B: That's what I.
Speaker C: You've done well. But. You've done well. Okay?
Speaker B: Someone argued. That's the key to his success, is not opening.
Speaker C: I know. That was bad. That was a bad comment, and I.
Speaker B: No, no. I don't think.
Speaker C: When you're talking about hospitality company. Yeah, I want to talk about Donny Medea for a second.
Speaker A: Sure.
Speaker C: Okay. Because I want to, uh. Because I was thinking about this as I was writing these things that I hate, and I was thinking to myself, true hospitality. A true person is Donny Madea. Do you know that when my father died, my father died? He came to a Shiva sitting? He did. Because he's that kind of guy. I mean, come on. I couldn't even believe it. I was like, what are you doing here? He's like, what do you mean, what am I doing here?
Speaker B: He's like, I heard there'd be some free food.
Speaker C: He wasn't there for free.
Speaker A: Donnie wouldn't miss it. Yeah.
Speaker B: No, that's very sweet.
Speaker A: He's a true hospitality guy. He is hospitality personified. He can't help it. It's his nature.
Speaker C: It's in his nature.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Right. I just. I adore him.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Thought I'd say that.
Speaker B: Yeah. That's good.
Speaker C: Donnie, I love you.
Speaker B: Donnie grew up in the Krazy K's.
Speaker C: Yeah. He's a good guy.
Speaker A: K town.
Speaker B: No, it was like the car. Like, those streets.
Speaker A: Yeah. They call it K Town. Yeah. Karlov, um. Oh, he grew up, like, Kildare is one of them.
Speaker B: Yeah, Whatever. Those random.
Speaker A: Yeah, they're like.
Speaker B: He called it the crazy K's.
Speaker C: He did.
Speaker B: Yeah. 100.
Speaker C: What are the two? Um. Streets in the city that rhyme with vagina.
Speaker B: I know what you're gonna say. Well, it's. The joke is the threes. It's like Paulina, Malvina and Lunt.
Speaker C: I love that.
Speaker B: It is.
Speaker A: So who started that? I mean, that's been passed around for
Speaker B: Rob Lapata told me that.
Speaker C: I've been saying it since, like, the sixth grade. And it's just like, why is that so funny? Why is the Word. See you next Tuesday. The funniest thing. Why do we laugh?
Speaker B: I think because it's so jarring in that context.
Speaker C: Yeah, it sounds like cantaloupe.
Speaker A: My friends and I used to sit around and come up with jokes where street names in Chicago were the punchline. And I think my favorite was, uh, what's a foster parent's favorite street? Add a son.
Speaker C: It's funny. I mean, it's not kind of.
Speaker B: It's stupid.
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Speaker C: Yeah, I was one of the first ones.
Speaker A: Yeah, well, see if anything's changed. What's your death row meal?
Speaker C: Locks and bagels.
Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's the same.
Speaker C: I said that again. Or.
Speaker A: Where are you getting your locks these days? Quick.
Speaker C: I like. I actually, I go to, um. I go to Agora and when they have it, because they don't have it very often. The bagel guy. What's the bagel guy's name? He does his own.
Speaker B: What?
Speaker A: Steingolds.
Speaker C: Thank you.
Speaker B: Oh, Aaron Stein.
Speaker C: Yeah, he makes salmon.
Speaker A: Oh, okay.
Speaker B: I didn't know that.
Speaker C: Yeah, I eat smoked salmon every morning.
Speaker A: Danny's big every morning.
Speaker C: Every morning I smoked salmon daily. Every morning I eat the same thing.
Speaker B: Wow.
Speaker A: What is it?
Speaker C: I eat a one piece of toast of, like, this health bread or something, and I toast it, and I have a specific toaster just for it. And then I spread, um, hummus, and then I do smoked salmon, and I do green pepper.
Speaker B: Wow.
Speaker A: How long have you been doing this?
Speaker C: Like, three years every morning.
Speaker A: Okay. All right. What's your favorite hidden gem restaurant? And I don't. Well, if you don't have an answer, then I'll ask. What's your favorite new restaurant?
Speaker C: Oh, don't ask me that. I haven't been.
Speaker A: Everything is horrible.
Speaker C: I will never go to a new restaurant.
Speaker A: Yeah, let Me ask you this.
Speaker B: Gotta let it settle.
Speaker A: You're. You're no stranger to dabbing. You ever get, uh, a dab at Meyers? Tap the beer? Dab. Beer?
Speaker B: Yeah. On Lake. Like in Wilmet.
Speaker A: You don't know that place up on the North Shore? No, it's a great Hole in the Wall bar.
Speaker C: I know, um. I know, um, uh, Bindlex.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Charlie Beinlitz.
Speaker B: Yeah. Max Robbins. Loves that place.
Speaker A: Gets a lot of airtime. Um, he's a big fan. We get a lot, um, Bindle gets a lot of airtime on this podcast. People love it.
Speaker C: Oh. Fortunately. Okay, that should be one of our places that we go to.
Speaker A: Sure.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker B: Wait, so what's your hidden gem?
Speaker C: Um, well, you know, it's not so much a hidden gem anymore, but, um, I love Danzig. I've been going there.
Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Speaker C: Danzen.
Speaker B: Danzen.
Speaker C: I've been going there since the 90s.
Speaker B: We need to take Tim there.
Speaker A: I've never been.
Speaker C: Oh, it's so.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: That's.
Speaker B: Yeah, dude, that is absolutely.
Speaker C: That's where we're going next.
Speaker B: We should celebrate our birthdays there.
Speaker C: Huh? Huh?
Speaker A: And Shannon will eat it.
Speaker C: Why?
Speaker B: No.
Speaker A: Well, you aren't as privy to Shannon's,
Speaker B: um, dietary stuff, like, um.
Speaker A: She doesn't like anything.
Speaker C: Does she just like spicy food?
Speaker A: No, probably not.
Speaker C: Well, I'll let you stand and ask her.
Speaker B: Maybe I'll just stand in for Shannon that one time.
Speaker C: Oh, you would have someone.
Speaker A: I think Danny should have a stand. Well, maybe. Maybe every fourth one will invite Danny. Ah,
Speaker C: we laugh the entire time. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah. It's hard, but, um. Okay. Yeah, Dan's in. I love that place. I've always loved that place.
Speaker B: That's a great one.
Speaker C: So good.
Speaker A: Favorite fast food.
Speaker C: Favorite fast food. I don't eat fast food.
Speaker A: But if you. But you have had fast food.
Speaker C: Yeah, I don't. I would never eat fast food.
Speaker B: What?
Speaker A: Never mean you wouldn't even try?
Speaker C: I have a really bad stomach.
Speaker A: Danny needs to have a more open mind.
Speaker B: That's why she only hangs with Rick Bayless.
Speaker C: Yeah, I. Is. Is, um, small Cheval fast food.
Speaker B: Kind of.
Speaker A: It's getting there. They have a drive through.
Speaker C: I would eat. I would eat fried, um, chicken. So Popeyes.
Speaker A: Popeyes. Popeyes is good.
Speaker C: It is good.
Speaker A: A lot of chefs like Popeyes.
Speaker C: I love Popeyes. I like the fries.
Speaker A: The fries are good. Yeah. Uh, dealer's choice cocktail. Danny's gonna make you a cocktail. You're ponied up at. Uh, I know you don't drink Much anymore. Yeah, you will. Um, you're not sober.
Speaker B: Well, you suck.
Speaker C: Um, no, I used to drink a whiskey. I don't. I haven't drink it. I was rather have whiskey soda. Like whiskey ginger. It's. It's. I don't like anything that's like, too sweet.
Speaker A: Ginger ale or ginger beer?
Speaker C: Gin, either.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: Um, but I do. I. I will tell you that my guilty pleasure. I have two guilty pleasures. Potato chips and ginger ale.
Speaker A: Give me your top three potato chips.
Speaker C: Um. Okay. My top is ruffled. Generic Gordon food service.
Speaker B: Wow.
Speaker C: I'll bring them to you. I have. I have.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: I have them.
Speaker B: You have a whole case of them.
Speaker C: Yeah, I do. I do. So good.
Speaker B: Chips are our.
Speaker C: I like anything that's dry and not too salty.
Speaker B: Oh, interesting.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: I would think of most chips as being.
Speaker A: It's easy to be too pretty salty.
Speaker C: Some of them don't.
Speaker B: You like the Torres chips?
Speaker C: Which one's Torres?
Speaker B: Like the white bag. They're from Spain. They have like. No, they're like really thin potatoes.
Speaker C: No, no, I like a thick.
Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Okay.
Speaker A: A thick, wavy, ridgy.
Speaker B: So, like Boulder. The Boulder ones?
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker B: Boulder Canyon or whatever.
Speaker C: But I don't. I. So sometimes potato chips are oily.
Speaker B: Yeah, the Torres ones are quite oily.
Speaker A: I do not like an oily chip.
Speaker C: I. So I. Yeah, I like anything dry and thick. In fact, I even like chips that have no salt. Hm. There are chips that have no salt?
Speaker B: Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker C: Yeah. Wait, I never said what my. I never said what my hidden, um.
Speaker A: Gem restaurant.
Speaker C: No, my cocktail is.
Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker C: I actually love sparkling rose. It's not a cocktail, but, like, if I'm gonna. If I want to drink and not care if I'm hungover the next day, it's whiskey and cider.
Speaker B: Like some combination of them.
Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B: Just straight up, the two of them. Or a cocktail that uses.
Speaker C: Or a paloma. I love a paloma. Yeah, that rips my stomach apart, but I don't care.
Speaker B: It's worth it, really.
Speaker A: Paloma gets you well.
Speaker B: This. Yeah.
Speaker A: I don't know if I like a paloma.
Speaker C: Oh, my God. Are you kidding me?
Speaker B: Palmas are pretty good.
Speaker C: Suck down like 10 of them.
Speaker A: Really? Shannon loves a paloma. I think I've just not had many good ones. I don't think there's a good King Paloma. I think it's tough to pull off.
Speaker C: Just like on the Rock.
Speaker A: Danny gives me very nice mezcal that's too fancy to drink.
Speaker B: I owe you a birthday one.
Speaker A: I have a bunch of full bottles because they're too nice to open.
Speaker C: Yeah, I know. They're pretty, too.
Speaker A: Yeah, they are. The branding on Mezcal is some of the best.
Speaker B: Some of the best for sure.
Speaker A: Um, all right, here's a new question. Who's the sexiest chef of all time? This is one of my red carpet questions. Guzo came up with this. Really? You can't.
Speaker C: Sexiest chef of all time or who's your industry crush? Well, okay, this is funny. I'm, um. Now I'm gonna make her listen to this. I'm not. I am not. I'm like. I'm not. Like, I don't go on the other side.
Speaker A: You're not gay?
Speaker C: No.
Speaker A: Okay. I didn't think you were.
Speaker C: But if I. But when I first met Elizabeth Faulkner, I was like, oh, my God, I love you so much, M. I was, like, in love with her. And I. We ended up doing an event together in la, and we were all hanging out at the lobby, and then everybody sort of, like, trickled back to their room except for me and Elizabeth. And then it was like, 3:30 in the morning. And she'll, uh, laugh if she hears this. Cause we're very good. I'm friends with her. We took the elevator up into our rooms, you know, And I was like, oh, my God, I'm not gay and I'm married. I was married at the time. I'm not gay and I'm married. I'm not gay and I'm married. I'm not gay and I'm married.
Speaker A: So you can get us Elizabeth Faulkner for the pod. Oh, I will totally get her favorite band or musician.
Speaker C: All right. So we never talked about my favorite concert. So I. It's so hard to say because I, you know, I like. God, do I like music. But, um. And I grew up on it, um, because my father was a musician. But, um. So I just saw the Avett Brothers. Okay.
Speaker A: By the way, I sent you a clip. I sent you that video of the Avett Brothers doing covering clay pigeons, and you never responded. And then I text you. I'm like, hey, what'd you think of that song Crickets?
Speaker C: Nothing. Oh, I don't.
Speaker A: Did you listen to it? Yeah, it's good.
Speaker C: Yeah, they're. I love them.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: Yeah, that was a long time ago.
Speaker A: Great.
Speaker C: Yeah, I remember. I don't remember 10 seconds from now.
Speaker A: Okay, um.
Speaker C: What are we talking about now? Um. So I just saw them with Mike Patton, who was, um, Faith or More, and in Waukegan at that Genesee Theater, that small Theater where the median age in the room was 80. Okay. And it was one of the best concerts I've ever seen. And I've seen them a lot. It was so good on so many different levels. I can't really explain it, but I do love them. But, um. It's so hard. How do you say, what's your favorite band?
Speaker A: It's hard.
Speaker C: Irmano Gutierrez. Leann Bridges. Brittany Howard. M. Flea. Um. Kasami Washington. Um. Jeff Johnson. SML Love. Um. Who else? Disclosure. Just saw them a couple, like, months ago. That was so good. Geese. I'm going to see them both times. Halloween, um, and Nova. Are you going to see them?
Speaker A: Tickets.
Speaker C: I thought you had tickets.
Speaker A: Shannon might.
Speaker C: Oh, you don't even know.
Speaker B: It was a surprise.
Speaker A: Shannon's my ticket broker.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker A: We're going to the John Prine tribute. That's my birthday present. Tickets to the John Pry Tribe.
Speaker C: That's a good one.
Speaker A: Theater.
Speaker C: Tyler Childers.
Speaker B: All right. We got a lot of, uh, favorite bands of musicians.
Speaker A: I mean, he's like, please stop.
Speaker C: And I'm not even Erica Badu. I mean, I'm not even saying.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: Like, I don't even know. I mean, I love everybody. I like so much music.
Speaker A: I heard Avett Brothers. We're going with that. Watch the Ava Brothers documentary. You've seen it.
Speaker C: Oh, God, please.
Speaker A: Also, like, their interaction with Rick Rubin is very funny.
Speaker C: Oh, my God.
Speaker A: The last.
Speaker C: When they were, um. Yeah.
Speaker A: It's no hard feelings.
Speaker C: Oh, my God.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Oh, gosh.
Speaker A: All right. Uh, worst concert you've ever been to.
Speaker C: It was, uh, not Mazzy Star, but very similar, um, to them in the 90s.
Speaker A: I know who you're gonna say.
Speaker C: I don't remember the band. And I literally fell asleep.
Speaker A: Really?
Speaker C: It was so boring.
Speaker A: I think of Nico Case with Mazzie Star. I think, oh, Nico Case.
Speaker C: I have seen maybe 30 times.
Speaker A: Okay. Always a good show, love.
Speaker C: I haven't seen her recently, but I used to love her.
Speaker A: Worst patron you've seen in a restaurant. Um, this is a new question for you.
Speaker C: Yeah. That's interesting. So when I. When I owned Hot Chocolate, this guy came into the restaurant with his girlfriend, and they were really drunk. And, um, something happened. I don't know what. He was being belligerent to my bartender, and, um, he came back and he was like, this guy is like a fucking dick. And so, um, I kicked him m. Out. And where he was sitting, where he was at the bar, was all the way at the end, and he had to walk all the way through the Restaurant to leave. And as I kicked him out, he was like, literally tension everybody.
Speaker B: This place sucks.
Speaker C: And he was walking down and, like, this place sucks. Sucks. Fuck this place. And we were like, a full restaurant, like, full at the time. And he was walking out, and he was so pissed. And he listened to this. He walked out on his check. And so I called the police, and they came and they. We found out who he was. Don't ask me how we found out. We found out. And the police went to his house, and they said, you have two choices. You're going to pay your bill or you're going to go to jail.
Speaker A: Wow.
Speaker C: And he came in and he paid his bill. Wow. But that guy.
Speaker A: And you were like, this patron sucks.
Speaker C: Uh, I mean, this guy was such a piece of. I mean, awful.
Speaker A: Oh, uh, great answer.
Speaker C: It was pretty bad.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: That's incredible. Uh, really good one.
Speaker A: Worst kitchen injury you've seen?
Speaker C: Well. Well, I mean, have you seen this?
Speaker A: It's a faded tattoo.
Speaker C: Oh, that's a burn.
Speaker A: Was it over the tattoo?
Speaker C: Yeah. Broke the first layer. You can see the star. What happened? Um, so, um, we make bialis, and we kind of dip them in oil, but there's always a sheet pan underneath it that has the oil in it. And one of my employees put too much oil on the bottom, and I was turning the she pan around, and it slapped me.
Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C: Yeah. My two worst burns are from, like, focaccia and bialy oil.
Speaker B: M. Damn. Um.
Speaker C: Yeah. It's awful. It was so painful.
Speaker B: Sorry.
Speaker A: Danny's. I'm personally sorry for that one, but.
Speaker C: Oh, here's. Wait. Quickly. Okay.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: So I used to work at this restaurant when I was. Was in culinary school, and this guy worked in the gar manger station. I worked with him, and he was kind of clumsy, and he was slicing something on a mandolin, and all of a sudden. No. With his knife.
Speaker B: Oh.
Speaker C: Night we heard. Oh. And he, like, sliced his thumb, like. And it was so gross. It was so gross. It hurt it.
Speaker A: And so have you seen Zaragoza's middle finger?
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker A: That he had, like, reconstructive surgery on. The best was. He made a collab video about it.
Speaker C: He did.
Speaker A: I was like, you're doing a collab video with your doctor? He's like, we'd been looking for a project to do together for a while.
Speaker C: I love that guy. How do you not. I just want to ask you, do you think there's any person ever that does not like him?
Speaker A: Ooh, no, no. He's very like, his sister Works for us. And she loves him.
Speaker B: She's a Johnny.
Speaker C: She's lovely, too.
Speaker A: Yeah, that. It's a good, great family. All the kids have really good senses of humor.
Speaker C: He's just. I just.
Speaker A: And they're all, like, kind of showman. Like, they're just, like, very. Yeah, yeah. It's a great family.
Speaker C: Big personalities.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: Yep.
Speaker A: Um, all right, Mary, Kill. Bagel, Biali. What's the third one?
Speaker B: Danny, I thought you're gonna do a sweet one, like a cookie cake.
Speaker C: All right, Mary, Kill.
Speaker A: You don't know that game?
Speaker C: No.
Speaker A: You have to choose one to marry, one to one to kill.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker A: Commonly done with, like, celebrities.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker A: All right. Pastry edition. Danny, help.
Speaker B: All right, you could do. Yeah, you should do your original thing, which was cookie cake, croissant.
Speaker C: I. I. How the do you do this? Marry? Um, I don't know.
Speaker B: Yeah. Like, spend the rest of your life.
Speaker C: I would marry a cake. I would marry a cake. Yeah. Uh, I would fuck a cookie, and I would kill a croissant.
Speaker B: Oh, wow.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker B: I know. I never really understood. Is the kill part the thing you like the least?
Speaker A: Yeah, I think the.
Speaker C: No, no, I think the hardest thing to make.
Speaker A: What I'm asking is, like, what?
Speaker B: Oh, so that's good. The kill for her is the hardest thing to make.
Speaker A: The laminated dude.
Speaker B: Uh, yeah. Croissant.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: Justin. Laria spoke a lot about how lamination was, like, a really hard thing for him to get. And he still was like, I'm still.
Speaker C: Oh, you never stop.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Yeah. You never stop.
Speaker B: Yeah, he. He was very open.
Speaker C: Yeah. You dedicate your life to it.
Speaker B: He. He seemed to dedicate a lot of time, and then at the end, be like, I still like. It's passable.
Speaker C: Are you talking about Delser?
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: Oh, shut uh, up.
Speaker B: Yeah. No, no, he did.
Speaker C: Jason.
Speaker B: No, Justin.
Speaker C: Justin, whoever you are, just shut up. Owner of Del Sur. I have yet to go there, and I really do need to go.
Speaker A: It's delicious. When you have a free two hours to stand in line, you should go to me.
Speaker C: That's Wisconsin over there.
Speaker B: Oh, going to. That far? Yeah.
Speaker C: Like that. That north?
Speaker A: Yeah. It's right across from Arroy, though.
Speaker B: Yeah. Great tie place.
Speaker A: You do a twofer?
Speaker C: Yeah. Twofer.
Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, last question. If you weren't doing this, Mindy's Bakery and being an outspoken, what would I be doing?
Speaker C: You know what I would be doing? What would I be doing? Uh, I'd be partnering with Shannon, and we would have a design company.
Speaker A: Really?
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker A: All, uh, right.
Speaker C: Vintage design company.
Speaker A: Vintage company.
Speaker B: Yeah, but if restaurants tried to hire her, she'd be like, don't spend your money on this first.
Speaker C: That's exactly.
Speaker A: You do residential?
Speaker C: I would do residential. And retail. Yeah, retail.
Speaker B: I love it.
Speaker C: Uh, designing stores.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: You know, just foraging and finding. That's what Shannon and I would.
Speaker A: The hunt. We would just travel. If I had endless money, I would go to flea market. That would be my job, is traveling around the world, going to filling containers.
Speaker B: So sounds like Tim's in this company
Speaker C: with you and I are going to the Paris Fleas together.
Speaker A: I heard about this.
Speaker C: Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
Speaker A: You're trying to scout Shannon to go.
Speaker C: I want Shannon to go.
Speaker A: Good luck.
Speaker C: Shannon would die. She would love it.
Speaker A: Yeah, she'd have a great time.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: All right, great.
Speaker C: I can't wait.
Speaker A: Mindy, thank you for joining us today.
Speaker B: Thanks for being here.
Speaker A: Repeat guest.
Speaker C: Did I say too much?
Speaker A: We crossed a threshold here.
Speaker B: Did I cross too little?
Speaker A: Yeah, we're gonna have to do some AI.
Speaker C: It'll be like a voiceover of me.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Uh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker B: Thank you so much for the cake as well.
Speaker C: Happy birthday.
Speaker A: But here's the thing. So you designed. You made cakes. Well, talk us through both cakes real quick, and then it's not a matter of which is better. Danny's is better for him. Mine is better for me.
Speaker C: Well, I didn't know what Danny liked.
Speaker B: That's actually a perfect cake.
Speaker C: Okay, good, Good. I'm so happy.
Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I love this flavor.
Speaker A: Yeah. Banoffee. Yeah, kind of a little bit, but
Speaker C: it was a surprise.
Speaker A: Which one would you rather eat?
Speaker C: I can't, because I love peanut butter.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And I love.
Speaker A: So mine was like. It was a peanut butter chocolate with homemade peanut butter.
Speaker C: I literally made those peanut butter cups for you.
Speaker A: Yeah. It was so good and so enormous.
Speaker C: Shannon was like, make him a Reese's peanut butter cup up.
Speaker A: It was. It was. It's the best cake I've ever had. And the best part about it is that it was not sweet.
Speaker C: Yeah. I don't.
Speaker A: It could have been. It could have so easily been too sweet, and it wasn't.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: And it was. Eating at room temperature is perfect.
Speaker C: I'm. I'm sensitive to, um, too sweet and too salty. I I potato chips. Usually I I ear on the salty side, which is unfortunate. I need to, uh. I need to restrain myself. But your cake.
Speaker B: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker C: Banana cake and milk chocolate mousse, please.
Speaker B: Perfect.
Speaker A: Danny, you're leaving a piece for me?
Speaker B: Yeah. No, you're Just gonna come over and eat some.
Speaker A: That's a wrap on Mindy Siegel, Mindy's Bakery. Thank you for joining us today. And that concludes our conversation with the one and only Mind Siegel of Mindy's Bakery.
Speaker B: Yes, and I'm in Bucktown, excited to get out of here so I can eat that delicious cake.
Speaker A: Oh, yeah, Danny, she really was not going to, uh, vet our cakes against
Speaker B: one another, but I think you could tell, reading between the lines, that, uh, this was a more special cake.
Speaker A: That could be true.
Speaker B: No, but that's the only reason. It has nothing to do with me and you. Shannon gave her a prompt for yours. This was just like, what would I like? What's like, a fun cake that I think is, like, a flex cake.
Speaker A: I didn't hear it. Hard to tell you this, but yours was not made for you. It was a canceled order, and she just poured new banoffee on top of it.
Speaker B: Hey, I'll take what I can get.
Speaker A: Yeah, uh, it was for a guy named Donnie. She changed that O to an A.
Speaker B: Uh, and it was.
Speaker A: It was a fourth birthday. She added a zero. So. So now who do you think was more special?
Speaker B: Yeah, I don't. I'm not talking about anything about the specialness of who got this cake.
Speaker A: Hey. What?
Speaker B: Yours was a prompted one, and mine was unprompted.
Speaker A: I'm sure they're both equally delicious. I'm sure there's no need to vet them against each other. I wanted to ask, what'd you do for Father's Day?
Speaker B: Oh, Arthur and I played some golf in the early morning, which is very sweet.
Speaker A: Arthur, how many holes we played?
Speaker B: 18.
Speaker C: Wow.
Speaker B: It was.
Speaker A: Wow.
Speaker B: It was impressive.
Speaker A: That's a lot.
Speaker B: He was determined to do it.
Speaker A: How long did that take?
Speaker B: Um, we tried it, like, three hours. Pretty quick.
Speaker A: And he hit every shot.
Speaker B: He did, um. Wow. It was wild.
Speaker A: Is he good? Does he take lessons?
Speaker B: Um, he's taken a few. Not this year.
Speaker A: But he'll be better than me.
Speaker B: Yeah. No. Um. But yeah, like, so at one point, he hit this ball into a creek, and I was like, do not go and get that ball. You will fall into that creek. And Arthur, you know, being headstrong, and Arthur, uh, did not listen, and I was like, you know, I told him multiple times not to do it, so of course he did it. And, uh, he comes back to me because I'm like, I've moved on. Like, kind of kept walking forward, just being like, I.
Speaker A: Whatever's gonna happen, I'm gonna turn my back, but make sure you don't?
Speaker B: No, I said it to him. His face many times then was like, I can't just keep sitting here, like, having an argument. And so eventually he comes to me. His, like, whole, like, right leg has clearly been submerged in the screak. He has, like, mud all over his butt. And I was like, ah.
Speaker A: Were you able to find the humor in it, or did you?
Speaker B: I mean, I thought it was, like, funny, but I was very annoyed also, simultaneously.
Speaker A: And, uh, it's a lesson he has to learn.
Speaker B: Honestly, the most impressive thing that he did was, like, he was bummed out. He couldn't get the ball. He fell in, whatever. He was very frustrated. Eight years old. But I would say within maybe one hole, he was, like, back to normal. Like, he got over and let it go, which was. I mean, dude, if that were me at that age, there's no chance I would have been back to normal by the end of that, you know, like. Yeah, quickly.
Speaker A: You'd still be talking about it in therapy today.
Speaker B: I mean, I'm just, like, holding a Broadway upset. But he, like. Yeah, he was able to move on, which is, you know, pretty impressive.
Speaker A: Yeah. That. Perhaps that was your Father's Day gift.
Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, for someone who quick recovery challenged with emotions like I am, uh, it was pretty impressive. Um, it bodes well.
Speaker A: That's good. We did, ah, we did a brunch at. On the patio at Longman.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: And, uh, it was great. The food at Longman is so good. Their brunch is phenomenal. Um, but what the most exciting part of the meal was when a large truck drove down. Is that. What is that?
Speaker B: I mean, kadzi comes past it.
Speaker A: No. What's the one that goes east, west?
Speaker B: Oh, oh, where?
Speaker A: The patio.
Speaker B: Troy.
Speaker A: No, Troy is north, south. It's, uh, the corner. Uh, pretty sure.
Speaker B: All right.
Speaker A: But anyway, side street. Yeah. The truck was driving down and, like, you hear, like, a loud crunch, like taking off the, uh, mirror from one of the cars because it's a pretty narrow street. And then they just speed through and go through the stop sign. Keep going. Or they may have turned and, uh,
Speaker B: crunch a bunch of More side mirrors.
Speaker A: Nothing brings a patio together like a loud vehicular.
Speaker B: Uh, it's so jarring.
Speaker A: Yeah. It's just silence. And everyone stands up and looks. They go, He's. He's not gonna stop.
Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A: And it's just like, it sucks for whoever that happened to, but it's also kind of fun to watch.
Speaker B: Well, maybe you've given them the information they need to file a claim.
Speaker A: I wish I. Yeah. What's the company I considered, I'm like, all right, I'll get the license plate number and see whatever. And then they took off so fast. Couldn't do it. Yeah, but, like, people were like, everyone gets up and stairs. But then they're also, like, kind of smiling like, I can't believe I got to see that. What a trip.
Speaker B: High fiving like.
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: You don't get to. You know what else can bring a patio together like that?
Speaker B: Yeah. Nothing.
Speaker A: Nothing.
Speaker B: An engagement. Sometimes those are pretty cool. When you see someone get on a knee.
Speaker A: Really?
Speaker B: And everyone.
Speaker A: Did you get down on your knee?
Speaker B: I didn't do it in a restaurant. Proposed, but I did.
Speaker A: Yeah. Is that only a restaurant thing? What do you mean?
Speaker B: No, no, no, I'm saying I did. Yes, But I'm saying that brings people together on a restaurant is like the whole dining room will stop and kind of watch something. They're like, yes, it's a big celebration.
Speaker A: I don't think I'd be into that.
Speaker B: Well, you being. You wouldn't celebrate someone else, you mean? Or you wouldn't propose in a restaurant?
Speaker A: I did propose in a restaurant. We were in a room. We were in, like, a private room. Not by design. Like, we happened to be in a.
Speaker B: Well, you bought a private dance? Yeah,
Speaker A: I went to the champagne room. Uh, no, we happened to be. I was planning on, um, proposing at a little speak. We were in Thailand, in Bangkok. And I was gonna. I was planning to go. We were planning to go to a little speakeasy afterwards. I was gonna do. Do it there. Um, and then I found myself in this, like, private room at this restaurant.
Speaker B: Like, this is a pretty good spot.
Speaker A: But I didn't get down on one knee. I think it's kind of a weird thing. Yeah, like a knight in shining armor thing. I don't know. It's kind of tacky.
Speaker B: You're like, I'm not going to be subservient to you.
Speaker A: My pants are too tight to bend over.
Speaker B: Anyway, my ring dilemma was we, you know, whatever. It's not important. But I was on the way, like, part of this journey to propose. I was on a train and I was wearing, like, suit pants. It's a very thin material, as Tim knows better than anyone. And the ring box was, like, extremely big. And so, like, if you looked at my, like, leg, you'd see.
Speaker A: Is that a cock ring or you just happy to see me?
Speaker B: It's like a bulging box. And I was just like, it was just so insane. That's why men need to carry purses. Bags.
Speaker A: I'm pro man purse.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Um, on vacation, I will bring a bag. It's more like a cross shoulder, like kind of fanny pack thing. I'm. I'm into that because I don't. I think I like to have my pants weighed down with a bunch of crap in it.
Speaker B: I think that makes sense. I mean, I basically had like my hand on my pant leg covering the box. Like it was insane.
Speaker A: Where were you in this? On this train?
Speaker B: We were taking a train from New York to Blue Hill. It's.
Speaker A: Oh, that's right.
Speaker B: But anywho. Yeah, just the bulging box. Couldn't hide it.
Speaker A: All right. This episode is produced by Matt Haddock, music by Captain Cutts, and Danny's cutting the reels. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next week. Weekend.
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