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In The Money

Hosted by In The Money: eCommerce, DTC, and CPG

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A podcast about the real economics of ecommerce, DTC, and CPG. Hosted by Fan Bi, In The Money features honest convos with the people building, growing, and investing in modern consumer brands.

73 episodes · publishes weekly · latest 2026-10-25 · ~38 min/episode

Rank

#182

Substance

82.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-08
Updated monthly

Startups & Founders rank

#24 of 926

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Across the index

#182 of 6219

Substance

Top 3%

outscores 97% of the index

Why it scores where it does

In The Money ranks #182 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 82.0 out of 100, scored across 2 recent episodes. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Rick operates at senior level with real portfolio track record (Factor exit, Calm at $2B+ valuation, multiple successful investments), deep operational involvement in portfolio companies, and teaches at Kellogg. He brings genuine operator perspective grounded in capital deployment and founder mentorship, though he is a professional fund manager rather than founder.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 2 recently scored episodes, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

16.0 / 20

The episode delivers substantive frameworks about brand vs. branding, unit economics thresholds (3x margin to CAC), and founder psychology, but relies heavily on anecdotal examples and occasionally circles back to previously-stated points. Concrete operational insights exist but are padded with broader philosophy.

“Brand for us is, I think classically it's the sum of experiences between consumer and company. That's the brand.”

“What we've gotten wrong historically or in the last 15 years of this run up of D2C is that brand and branding have become synonymous.”

Originality

15.0 / 20

The brand vs. branding distinction is solid but not novel in investor circles; the AI-as-force-multiplier and TikTok-as-2014-Facebook comparisons are observation rather than original thinking. The deprescription and aging-adjacent investment thesis shows some originality, though it's presented more as market opportunity than unique insight.

“TikTok now is the Facebook of circa 2014”

“There's a role for pharmaceutical drugs. Of course there is. They're very, very important. But they're often not used in the way that they're supposed to.”

Guest Caliber

19.5 / 20

Rick operates at senior level with real portfolio track record (Factor exit, Calm at $2B+ valuation, multiple successful investments), deep operational involvement in portfolio companies, and teaches at Kellogg. He brings genuine operator perspective grounded in capital deployment and founder mentorship, though he is a professional fund manager rather than founder.

“Partner at Listen Ventures, a Chicago based consumer only fund that manages $130 million across four funds and has backed some of the most recognizable names in modern consumer Calm, the meditation app now valued over $2 billion.”

“Factor is a business that we branded from scratch. Own up is a business we just sold to Experian.”

Specificity & Evidence

16.5 / 20

Episode includes specific numbers (3x margin to CAC, $130M fund size, $5M checks per portfolio company, 12 companies per fund) and named portfolio exits (Factor, Calm, Oneupfor), but lacks concrete metrics on outcomes, failure rates, or revenue figures for current portfolio. Many claims remain illustrative rather than data-backed.

“we historically have written two to four million dollar checks at the early stage. Um, you know, 10 to 12 deals”

“Listen Ventures, a Chicago based consumer only fund that manages $130 million across four funds”

Conversational Craft

15.0 / 20

Host asks decent follow-ups (customer service philosophy, geographic advantages, specific deal structures) and probes Rick's thinking, but often accepts high-level framing without pushing back on contradictions or asking for harder evidence. Questions lean toward 'tell me more' rather than challenging claims; few moments of productive tension.

“But I just want to focus on this word brand because I love talking to investors about brand because it means different things to different people.”

“I'm curious if you have a view of like no early like it needs to be even founder led or it needs to be in person us based and you're and it's an investment not a cost center. Thus hey, keep OPEX tight.”

Standout episodes

  • Brand Is Not Branding, And Other Mistakes in Consumer

    2026-08-18

    88
  • No Formula. No Co-Man. No Branding. Nationwide Whole Foods in Three Months.

    2026-06-30

    76

Rank over time

2 periods tracked.

Episodes

2 scored on substance · 66 tracked in total.

  • Brand Is Not Branding, And Other Mistakes in Consumer

    2026-08-18 · 40 min

    88 / 100
  • No Formula. No Co-Man. No Branding. Nationwide Whole Foods in Three Months.

    2026-06-30 · 32 min

    76 / 100

Frequently asked

What is In The Money's substance score?
In The Money scores 82.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #182 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 97% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #24 of 926 in Startups & Founders. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is In The Money worth listening to?
Yes - In The Money outscores 97% of the B2B startups & founders podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a startups & founders operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts In The Money?
In The Money is hosted by In The Money: eCommerce, DTC, and CPG.
How often does In The Money publish?
In The Money publishes weekly, has 73 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-10-25.
Which In The Money episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Brand Is Not Branding, And Other Mistakes in Consumer" (88/100) - a good place to start.

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Frequently discusses

Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

WheyKraft HeinzPrimal KitchenWhole FoodsBakunstTargetZicoRX BarStanley

Guests who've appeared

Morgan Zanudi

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

Calm (meditation app)Listen VenturesFactor (prepared meals, acquired by HelloFresh)Dame ProductsInterior DefineRed Antler (branding agency)Native (deodorant)Rogetti (telehealth)Black Buffalo (nicotine alternatives)Ellen WilcoxWhole FoodsWhey sparkling protein waterPrimal KitchenKraft HeinzMark SissonClear protein categoryBakkuestKate (investor)

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