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CloudNext

Hosted by GlobalDots

CloudNext is your go-to source for cloud innovation and leaders' insight. Your way to stay up-to-date with the latest trends and innovations critical to Cloud, Security, and DevOps success. Pick the brains of C-level executives of renowned companies in tech, sharing their stories of innovation and personal growth.

53 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-09-24 · ~40 min/episode

Rank

#2586

Substance

65.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Engineering & DevTools rank

#165 of 290

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Across the index

#2586 of 6219

Substance

Top 42%

outscores 58% of the index

Why it scores where it does

CloudNext ranks #2586 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 65.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and originality. Cox has verifiable, hard-to-fake credentials: a 2022 first-of-kind ML security ops paper, a 2024 federated defence patent, core authorship on OWASP AI Exchange, and contribution to EU AI Act technical sections. She is clearly a practitioner who has done the work, not a recycled thought leader. Score is not higher because she is early-stage (stealth startup) and much of her most specific work is undisclosed.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

13.0 / 20

The core argument - that adversarial subspaces are computationally intractable to enumerate, making prompt-spray red teaming security theatre - is genuinely non-obvious and well-articulated. The surrogate model attack transferability discussion adds real depth. However, roughly half the runtime is consumed by tangential banter (karma, AG1, McKinsey, women in tech) that contains no actionable insight for a B2B operator.

“these boxes, these spaces, are absolutely massive. We've determined that it's not feasible computationally to run a search through them...what you can do, because there are effectively an infinite number of attacks, is spray a bunch of prompts at something and say, oh, my God, see, look, all these attacks worked. And then, look, I blocked them all. Now you can do that. But did you actually really provide meaningful security? Uh, I would argue no, you absolutely did not.”

“attackers in the wild don't need your model, they don't need your data, they don't need any of that. They need to understand the domain that your model is trained on in order to construct these attacks”

Originality

14.0 / 20

The reframing of AI red teaming as a mathematically broken practice - not merely imperfect - is a genuinely contrarian and well-grounded position. The adversarial subspace geometry explanation and centered kernel alignment application are underexplored publicly. The standard advice (threat model first, don't deploy AI if you don't need it) is less original and pulls the score down.

“Every model comes with, um, a set of attacks that will work against it...it's called a subspace. An adversarial subspace...You can think of it like a box that's attached to the model”

“they get there because whenever you compress a high dimensional space into a lower dimensional one, um, you break certain assumptions, right? You create angular representations among, uh, the concepts that the model so quote, unquote learns”

Guest Caliber

17.0 / 20

Cox has verifiable, hard-to-fake credentials: a 2022 first-of-kind ML security ops paper, a 2024 federated defence patent, core authorship on OWASP AI Exchange, and contribution to EU AI Act technical sections. She is clearly a practitioner who has done the work, not a recycled thought leader. Score is not higher because she is early-stage (stealth startup) and much of her most specific work is undisclosed.

“I wrote a paper in 2022 that was the first, uh, AI security operations paper in machine learning, security operations...with the first architecture for exactly how to implement this defensive, um, security. And then I got a patent, um, in 2024 for defensive, uh, federated architecture”

“I'm on the team that sets red teaming requirements”

Specificity & Evidence

12.0 / 20

There are some concrete data points - named technique (centered kernel alignment), named collaborator, course price ranges ($1,500 - $3,000/head), and the 2022/2024 publication dates. But the guest is deliberately vague about company names, paper titles, and threat actors for legal reasons, and the key threshold example is explicitly fabricated ('this is a meaningless number'). No named vulnerable systems, no published attack success rates, no cited studies.

“I know for a fact that these guys selling courses out here are like 2000, 1500 to $3000 ahead, basically. And you pack a course with like 20 people. You do this multiple times a year. You are raking in cash”

“Let's say I have a ratio of red blots, red dots to blue dots going through my system...Let's say I have a ratio...becomes um, 27% higher for the red ones...I will make up a magic number. This is a meaningless number.”

Conversational Craft

9.0 / 20

The host repeatedly derails technically rich moments into comedy tangents (karma, Tower of Babel, AG1, gold), openly admits he cannot follow the technical content ('I'm too thick for that information to go in'), and never pushes back on or probes any specific claim. The women-in-tech and personal anecdote sections, while humanising, are handled without any craft or follow-up rigour. A few functional questions ('Is it ever solvable?', 'What does that mean in real world terms?') prevent a lower score.

“I can't even imagine how that will apply in the real world. I'm too thick for that information to go in, but beautifully presented.”

“Um, definitely interested. Should I buy silver? Gold.”

Standout episodes

  • AI Red Teaming Isn't Enough: Shoshana Cox, AI Security Researcher

    2026-06-24

    65

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 52 tracked in total.

  • AI Red Teaming Isn't Enough: Shoshana Cox, AI Security Researcher

    2026-06-24 · 47 min

    65 / 100

Frequently asked

What is CloudNext's substance score?
CloudNext scores 65.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #2586 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 58% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #165 of 290 in Engineering & DevTools. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is CloudNext worth listening to?
Yes - CloudNext outscores 58% of the B2B engineering & devtools podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a engineering & devtools operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts CloudNext?
CloudNext is hosted by GlobalDots.
How often does CloudNext publish?
CloudNext publishes fortnightly, has 53 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-09-24.
Which CloudNext episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "AI Red Teaming Isn't Enough: Shoshana Cox, AI Security Researcher" (65/100) - a good place to start.

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Global DotsOWASP AI ExchangeEU AI ActOpenAIGoogle GeminiChatGPT

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Shoshana Cox

Topics this show covers

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prompt injectionEU AI ActAdversarial subspaceAI red teamingThreat modelingCentered kernel alignmentOWASP AI ExchangeReinforcement learning with human feedbackGenerative AI securityFederated AI architecture

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