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Cedar on Banking

Get ready for the new era of open banking

Cedar on Banking · 2026-02-10 · 15 min

Substance score

21 / 100

Five dimensions, 20 points each

Insight Density6 / 20
Originality3 / 20
Guest Caliber2 / 20
Specificity & Evidence7 / 20
Conversational Craft3 / 20

What our scoring noted

Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.

Insight Density

6 / 20

The episode is almost entirely introductory and explanatory, covering well-known open banking concepts (PSD2, network effects, API monetization) with very few non-obvious claims. What little substance exists - tiered API pricing, developer sandboxes, micro-segmentation - is treated at the shallowest level without any real depth or novel framing.

Banking is shifting from, you know, a proprietary product model to a distributed service fabric
A bank's revenue is now, uh, directly proportionate to the number of new revenue streams they launch through TPPs

Originality

3 / 20

Every concept here - banks as platforms, first-mover advantage in APIs, comparing banks to Amazon/Stripe, the vault-to-highway metaphor - is standard recycled open banking discourse from the last five years. There is no contrarian argument, no first-principles reasoning, and no surprising reframe anywhere in the episode.

The bank is no longer just a vault, it's a controlled highway
If you look at giants like Amazon or even Stripe, they offer hundreds of APIs for third party consumption

Guest Caliber

2 / 20

There are no guests whatsoever - this is a two-host AI-style synthesis format explicitly citing unnamed 'sources.' No practitioner, operator, or domain expert ever speaks, and neither host demonstrates any first-hand experience or verifiable expertise.

We've pulled a stack of sources detailing what, you know, many experts are calling a watershed moment
The sources make this critical distinction that really hammers home the stakes

Specificity & Evidence

7 / 20

The episode earns modest marks for naming specific companies (Monzo, Capital One, Barclays, BBVA, 'German BankFedor'), specific protocols (OAuth 2.0, PSD2), and one data point on developing markets mutual fund penetration. However, none of these are developed with real metrics, timelines, or verified outcomes - they are name-drops rather than evidence.

Capital One, for instance, offers a full range of DevOps tools and frameworks designed to help third parties not just use, but actually work on on its APIs
less than 5% of funds are in mutual funds there, compared to like 15% in developed markets

Conversational Craft

3 / 20

The dialogue is visibly scripted and mechanical - one host asks a shallow prompt and the other delivers a pre-formed monologue. There is zero pushback, no genuine follow-up, and affirmations like 'Wow' and 'That's a perfect analogy' substitute for actual interrogation. This is a narrated explainer dressed as a conversation.

How does that work?
Wow

Conversation analysis

Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the verbal tics along the way.

Share of words spoken

  • Speaker B62%
  • Speaker A38%

Filler words

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Episode notes

Open Banking, driven by PSD2, is transforming banking from a closed, protected model into an open, platform-based ecosystem where customer data is shared securely with third-party providers via APIs. This shift creates both disruption and opportunity. Banks must move beyond compliance and rethink revenue models, customer segmentation, product strategies, and technology architecture. Revenue growth will depend on API monetization and service adoption. Customers will be served through highly personalised micro-segments, enabled by modular, API-driven offerings. Products and services will increasingly be co-created with fintech partners, while some banks may also act as aggregators or third-party providers themselves. Technologically, banks need API platforms, developer portals, sandboxes, and secure, partner-friendly architectures that balance openness with security. Open Banking is expected to create digital marketplaces that improve agility, innovation, and time to market. Ultimately, success in Open Banking hinges on delivering superior customer experience in a collaborative ecosystem.

Full transcript

15 min

Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.

Speaker A: Okay, let's unpack this. Today we are taking a deep dive into what is, I mean, an absolute foundational transformation of the financial industry.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: For decades the system has operated like a series of closed vaults. Your bank held your money and, uh, they controlled your data.

Speaker B: That was it, full stop. Yeah, but that era is completely over. We've pulled a stack of sources detailing what, you know, many experts are calling a watershed moment. Open banking.

Speaker A: Right. The whole closed market is being replaced by this shared, uh, data economy driven by regulatory disruption.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: So our mission in this deep dive is to synthesize the massive implications of this change and really to extract the four fundamental strategic questions that banks have to answer if they want to survive.

Speaker B: And that data sharing piece is the core mechanism. We're talking about application programming interfaces, APIs.

Speaker A: The digital keys.

Speaker B: Exactly. They're like secure digital keys. Uh, banks are now compelled, I mean, forced, to open those vaults and allow third party providers, or TPPs, secure access to customer data.

Speaker A: And the regulation that really cemented this globally was the European Payment Systems directive to PSD2, which just cracked the EU market wide open. For you, the listener. This means that suddenly new fintech players can look at your bank account, with your permission, of course, and offer you services that are way better or cheaper than your old bank.

Speaker B: And, uh, what's really crucial to understand here is that the data flow is now inherently bidirectional.

Speaker A: A two way street.

Speaker B: It's a two way street. Banking is shifting from, you know, a proprietary product model to a distributed service fabric. It's m, no longer about who owns the physical branch network, it's about who

Speaker A: controls the most efficient data highway.

Speaker B: That's a perfect analogy.

Speaker A: The bank is no longer just a vault, it's a controlled highway. And while that sounds like a techie backend change, it completely changes your entire banking experience. It forces banks to revisit their whole

Speaker B: business model from the ground up.

Speaker A: Yeah, this isn't compliance. This is like existential strategy.

Speaker B: Exactly. And the sources we analyze, they really drill down on four critical pillars of that strategy. So we're going to explore first, the implications for new revenue models.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: Second, how banks have to redefine their customer segments. Third, the big pivot in products and services strategy. And finally, the required overhaul of their technology architecture.

Speaker A: So let's start with the clearest metric, money revenue. The sources make this critical distinction that really hammers home the stakes. A lot of banks, initially they just viewed open banking as regulatory compliance.

Speaker B: A, uh, cost center.

Speaker A: A cost center, yeah, something they had to grudgingly adopt.

Speaker B: And if they do that, they fail. It's that simple. They are guaranteed to lose significant market share and revenue.

Speaker A: Wow.

Speaker B: This is where you have to think it through. The sources all emphasize that the true question is how much would the bank stand to lose if it doesn't actively embrace a platform business model built on these APIs.

Speaker A: So the consensus across everything we read is clear. Success hinges on being the early bird. Yeah, but why is being early so critical here?

Speaker B: It's all about network effects. The first banks to offer high quality, stable and, uh, well documented APIs. They establish the standard, they attract the best TPPs and the best developers first. And once a TPP integrates a bank's API into their successful app, they have very little incentive to.

Speaker A: To switch. Why would they.

Speaker B: Right. Why would they.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: The bank that's late to the game finds the best partners. And the best solutions are already locked into the early players. It creates these sort of irreversible barriers

Speaker A: to entry, so it becomes a pure digital efficiency.

Speaker B: But sadly, a scale game.

Speaker A: A scale game. Right. So how are banks measuring success now? It's definitely not about branch count anymore.

Speaker B: No, not at all. The metric is quantifiable and tied directly to interoperability. A bank's revenue is now, uh, directly proportionate to the number of new revenue streams they launch through TPPs.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: The number of APIs they establish, and crucially, the adoption and usage of services through those APIs by actual customers.

Speaker A: And as this whole API ecosystem matures, the revenue isn't just about, you know, keeping your customers, it's about monetizing the data access itself.

Speaker B: Precisely. We're seeing this rapid maturity of API pricing models, which turns the APIs themselves into transactional revenue streams.

Speaker A: How does that work?

Speaker B: Well, TPPs and developers are now paying the bank based on their API usage. It could be a consumption model where they pay per transaction or maybe a tiered subscription for premium features.

Speaker A: That's a huge philosophical shift. You're treating data access like a product. But if developers are paying for this, I imagine they're going to be incredibly demanding customers.

Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. They demand a professional grade API environment. And this isn't just, you know, a technical request, it's a strategic mandate for the bank.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: Developers want and need rigorous standards for API governance.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Guarantee performance, robust security, comprehensive documentation, all of it.

Speaker A: You mentioned scale earlier. What level of scale are we talking about here? Where does that benchmark even come from?

Speaker B: Well, the benchmark comes from outside banking. If you look at giants like Amazon or even Stripe, they offer hundreds of APIs for third party consumption.

Speaker A: Hundreds.

Speaker B: That volume and reliability that sets the expectation that banks now have to meet. They're no longer just competing with each other. They're competing with the tech standards set by Silicon Valley.

Speaker A: That sets a brutal standard for investment. And if banks have to match that tech standard just to make money, it completely changes what they consider their competitive edge. The customer. Which I guess brings us to our second strategic pillar.

Speaker B: Yes, the focus shifts entirely. The sources highlight that just as TPPs can now access your customers, you as the bank can now access other banks data.

Speaker A: With customer consent, of course, always with consent.

Speaker B: And the key competitive tool becomes strong multi banking services. So allowing your customer to see and manage all their accounts, no matter where they are, all within your app, that's

Speaker A: how you pull in customers from your competitors.

Speaker B: That's the move.

Speaker A: Okay, so wait, who is the customer now? Because open banking seems to just dissolve those traditional broad customer demographics.

Speaker B: It does. It demands a fundamental change in segmentation. You can no longer define customers by broad strokes like income bracket or age. The Data accessed from APIs lets you create highly tailored niche offerings for what the sources are calling micro segments.

Speaker A: Can you give us a concrete example of that? Like a micro segment and a service a traditional bank would have just struggled to provide.

Speaker B: Okay, think about the urban gig worker who owns a small commercial property. That's super specific. Ah, a traditional bank might just offer them a standard commercial loan, but using API access, a TPP can combine their daily gig transaction data, property maintenance records and real time mobility data to offer say hyper localized on demand commercial property insurance that only activates when their specific risk metrics spike.

Speaker A: Wow.

Speaker B: The service is just tightly interwoven and contextual to that person's actual life.

Speaker A: That level of personalization, it sounds like it requires incredible speed and flexibility.

Speaker B: And that's the key link back to the technology. Modular services built rapidly via APIs allow this. The offerings have to be contextual, highly relevant. And that means you need the ability to swap components out quickly, almost like digital Lego bricks. If they don't work for a micro segment.

Speaker A: That specialization leads us right into the third pillar, the strategy for products and services. You said the essence of open banking is collaboration.

Speaker B: Collaboration is the core competency. Now the bank provides the highly regulated platform and the trusted customer relationship.

Speaker A: The foundation.

Speaker B: The foundation, right.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: But the ecosystem of TPPS brings the sharp innovative solutions. Whether it's online lending, sophisticated personal finance tools, or better, cross border payments. The bank's differentiation is how well it collaborates and integrates These third party tools.

Speaker A: So the product strategy is really about unbundling. Um, the bank focuses on what it does best, often the regulated core account, and delegates the rest.

Speaker B: Yes, a great example of this is Monzo's strategy. They focus intensely on providing an excellent core current account. But the whole suite of non core value added services, things like savings pots or a currency exchange, are often rendered by collaborating with specialized partners through their API layer.

Speaker A: They become an orchestrator of services.

Speaker B: Exactly. Not the sole provider.

Speaker A: Okay, let's get into that a bit more. If the focus is on core competencies, what specific services are banks choosing to ditch or delegate?

Speaker B: Generally, banks are holding onto the hitrust regulatory functions like deposit taking, kycml, core lending approvals, stuff they have to do, the stuff they have to do. They often delegate services that need agility and niche specialization like wealth, tech interfaces, hyper specific insurance products or accounting tools. For small businesses, the strategic pivot is deciding what's core to your brand promise and what's a commodity a partner can deliver better.

Speaker A: But here's a point of friction I saw in some of our sources. The big incumbent banks, they're not just sitting still, right? They can become TPPs themselves.

Speaker B: That's right. And it's a very plausible strategy for larger banks. They can leverage their huge customer base and regulatory trust to offer aggregation services. They use APIs to pull data from smaller competitor banks, aggregate it and offer a better user experience to their own customers.

Speaker A: But doesn't that risk cannibalizing the small innovative TPPs they're supposed to be partnering with? Isn't there a risk? They end up just competing with their own partners.

Speaker B: It's a calculated risk and they have to manage that tension carefully. Banks like Barclays and bbva, they regularly use developer communities and hackathons. They're essentially signaling we want a partner, but we also reserve the right to build the best ideas ourselves.

Speaker A: Interesting.

Speaker B: Their goal is to stay relevant by showcasing a massive evolving API service offering. Whether it's built internally or externally, it just keeps the whole ecosystem honest and moving fast.

Speaker A: So the product is now the service layer. And that service layer is only possible if the underlying engine, the technology architecture, can support support all this change and collaboration securely.

Speaker B: Which leads us directly to our fourth pillar. For bank leaders, the critical implication is that their internal tech stack has to transition from being this like static repository to a dynamic partner friendly integration point.

Speaker A: And if you're constantly partnering, you have to be interoperable. That requires specialized resources, doesn't it?

Speaker B: Absolutely. The need for partner friendly development portals and sandboxes is. Well, it's paramount. A sandbox, just to clarify, isn't a toy box. It's a segregated, safe testing environment.

Speaker A: Right?

Speaker B: It lets TPSPs integrate their services in days or weeks using simulated data instead of months of paperwork. It just drastically cuts down the time to market for new features.

Speaker A: But success has to be more than just providing a testing ground. You mentioned building a community earlier. What does that actually mean for a bank's tech department?

Speaker B: It means they have to shift from being just coders to being community managers and platform architects. They need to provide a highly prescriptive approach to API management, distribution and documentation. If your API documentation is bad, TPPs

Speaker A: won't use it and your revenue stream dries up.

Speaker B: It dries up before it even starts. It requires stringent API governance, managing versioning, ensuring compatibility, providing tools.

Speaker A: And we've seen some leaders emerge that are really setting the standard for this kind of community engagement.

Speaker B: We have if you look at excellence and execution. Capital One, for instance, offers a full range of DevOps tools and frameworks designed to help third parties not just use, but actually work on on its APIs. They treat TPPs like extended members of their own dev team.

Speaker A: That sounds like a US model. What about models that prioritize more? Ah, crowdsourced innovation.

Speaker B: The German BankFedor is a great example of a highly participative model. They use an online forum, almost like a town hall, to get ideas to drive API developments and to foster innovation directly from their developer community.

Speaker A: So it's not just listening to feedback, it's co creating the product roadmap with external partners.

Speaker B: That's it exactly.

Speaker A: That sounds incredibly open and collective, collaborative. But that openness is. That's the source of the ultimate conflict, right? If you're opening your architecture, you immediately invite risk.

Speaker B: You've hit on the crucial balance, openness versus security. Open banking is a global responsibility. With this increased proliferation of component based interoperable services, often spanning multiple countries, the tech architecture has to define a really stringent balance.

Speaker A: So what does that look like?

Speaker B: It means relying heavily on specific security protocols like OAuth 2.0 for identity and access management, rigorous tokenization and multi factor authentication for every data request. Security is not an afterthought, it's the price of entry.

Speaker A: So what does this all really mean for you, the listener? I mean, looking at the synthesis the sources suggest several highly visible changes are already rolling out because of this. More flexible business models, dramatically reduced time to market for new products, and a

Speaker B: massive jump in usability because all Your financial info is finally in one place.

Speaker A: But the driving undercurrent, the ultimate goalpost that's motivating this trillion dollar architectural shift, it remains simple, doesn't it? Better customer experience.

Speaker B: At the end of the day, that's it. The shift to a digital service fabric is the industry's radical response to the imperative that globally, the customer is king.

Speaker A: And the outcome, all the industry analysts agree, is the emergence of a new digital marketplace. You will increasingly shop for financial products and services powered by these APIs, with offers matched precisely to your specific granular needs.

Speaker B: And looking ahead, the future of that marketplace is all about convergence and trust. We will see aggregators take these complex, disparate APIs and start to converge them into universal standards.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker B: And that massive web of transactions will require an incredibly high stamp of security and verified trust, which will be delivered through industry directories and certified TPP validation schemes. That's the next level of trust being built into the system for your protection.

Speaker A: That's a powerful thought, that convergence into a single standard. Before we wrap, we have to connect this back to a major opportunity highlighted in our sources. They noted that domestic market growth in developing economies is massive. Specifically, less than 5% of funds are in mutual funds there, compared to like 15% in developed markets.

Speaker B: Right. Which suggests a very vast, untapped and underserved segment just waiting for the right product.

Speaker A: Exactly.

Speaker B: So this raises the final and I think most important question for you to think about. Since the opportunity for domestic market growth is so rapid and so large, how will API banking, with its power for micro segmentation and fast product iteration, specifically help banks and fintechs develop highly localized, unique solutions tailored exactly to capture this vast underserved segment? The technology now exists, the strategy to actually win those customers. Well, that's the hard part.

Speaker A: Think on that strategic challenge and we'll catch you next time for the next deep dive.

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