Stop Managing Employee Behavior. Design Systems That Drive It, with Dustin Snyder
Human Capital Leadership · 2026-05-11 · 28 min
Episode notes
In this podcast episode, Dr. Jonathan H. Westover talks with Dustin Snyder about his book, Sink or SWIM: Stop Managing Employee Behavior. Design Systems That Drive It. Dustin Snyder stewards the trajectories of companies navigating critical inflection points. As founder and Chief Advisor of Wayforward, he personally developed Strategic Workforce Insight Mapping - the diagnostic methodology that defines the standard for organizational behavior consulting - and wrote the book on it. Sink or SWIM: Stop Managing Employee Behavior. Design Systems That Drive It is the definitive framework for diagnosing and solving workforce dysfunction at its root, deployed across organizations nationwide - from family businesses navigating generational transition to Fortune 500 multinationals launching new divisions. Dustin's client portfolio spans mid-market companies in manufacturing, healthcare, professional services, agriculture, distribution, and hospitality, alongside divisions of large enterprises in aerospace & defense, SaaS, and advanced manufacturing.
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