HubSpot’s First CRO on Scaling Smarter, Not Faster with Mark Roberge

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Most startups obsess over growth. Very few actually understand when scaling makes sense—and when it doesn’t. In this episode, John talks with Mark Roberge about the real science behind building and scaling a company. They unpack the myths around product-market fit, the ethical decision point every salesperson faces, and why revenue alone can be a dangerously misleading signal for founders. If you're building, selling, or leading a team, this conversation will challenge how you think about growth, customer value, and the future of sales in an AI-driven world. Ready to sharpen your sales skills and stay relevant in a rapidly changing market? Head over to and keep learning how to Make It Happen. What You’ll Learn Why revenue isn’t product-market fit The ethical decision point in sales Why retention beats new revenue The role of a customer success matrix How AI may reshape sales careers Mark Roberge is the founding CRO of HubSpot, where he scaled revenue from zero to over $100M and helped take the company public. After leaving HubSpot, he joined the faculty at Harvard Business School and co-founded Stage 2 Capital, the first VC firm run and backed by go-to-market leaders.