From Data to Dialogue: Why Leaders Need More than Numbers

Episode notes

Guest: Rens van Loon, Professor at Tilburg University What do you do when logic and data aren’t enough? Today’s biggest leadership challenges—culture change, systemic disruption, complex decision-making—are wicked problems. They can’t be solved with old habits. In this interview, Professor Rens van Loon, the world’s first Professor of Dialogical Leadership, explains how generative dialogue empowers leaders to navigate complexity, build trust, and create authentic change. In this episode you’ll discover: Why truth and data are relational, not absolute. How to integrate multiple roles (CEO, parent, coach, human) into one authentic leadership. The practice of : suspending judgment, asking better questions, and co-creating new meaning. The Japanese concept of Ma as a tool for reflection and transformation. How leaders and teams can solve their wicked problemse. If you’re a leader ready to move beyond old habits and create lasting impact, this conversation will reshape how you approach complexity. Produced in partnership with the International Leadership Association: .