Is Coaching Really That Different Than Therapy? With Dr. Davida Vogel
A Podcast About Leadership · 2025-10-17 · 45 min
Episode notes
For decades, executive coaching and psychotherapy have been treated as distinct disciplines — one focused on business performance, the other on unpacking unproductive patterns and personal healing. But, in recent years, the two have been creeping closer together. As they have, it has begged the question, are coaching and therapy really that different? In this thought-provoking episode of A Podcast About Leadership, Dr. Jonathan Kirschner , clinical psychologist and CEO of AIIR Consulting , sits down with two of his fellow psychologists turned executive coaches, Dr. Joy Nissen and Dr. Davida Vogel , to explore how the worlds of clinical psychology and coaching increasingly overlap, how they strengthen one another, and why drawing a line between them actually matters. Discover how coaches with backgrounds in behavioral science use methods from Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), and other clinical approaches to help leaders clarify values, challenge unhelpful thinking, and achieve meaningful goals.